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Me, a fan?
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I agree, and that would make it a more meaningful victory in my eyes. The good thing is there's still Liege and Flèche...
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mr shifter
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| kathy wrote: | | MSR isn't on Int ES TV until 18.00, Severo - same for me. |
I thought he said that International ES will be joining us shortly.
He then said welcome to International ES viewers etc.
I had British ES on and I changed to my analog International ES after that.
This is the stuff through Germany ES with Teletext in German and I have their schedule on the internet.
So you learn summit everyday, sorry.
One of the best MSR's I've seen for a few years as Nibali took off (ala Fondriest)
The camera work being so poor these days that you can't see exactly where they are, but I think Nibs went at the right place.
Oh I did get excited until the corner at the end of Poggio village and about 8 riders went round and later Harmon actually commented with some names and I said to the wife it will be Goss.
I also said that Cavendish will say, he couldn't say anything beforehand about Goss being the Main man today.
Comment to earlier posts.
I am a great advocate of the "Kelly" Finish Line but with those 8 or so around that corner, then there was only going to be one outcome no matter how near the finish was to the Poggio was this year.
I would have been estactic if Nibali or Scarponi had won.
Man of the Match, Scarponi.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Me, a fan? wrote: | | Slapshot 3 wrote: | | As we've come to expect in recent years there are very few riders willing to sacrifice themselves for the win, just pick up the pieces of victory when they can, I don't know can we name it the "The Blue Train Syndrome" or "the Hog Principle", either way its as boring as sin and the wins are less for them. |
Yeah that's great when guys attack and make it exciting for us to watch, but victory is the ultimate goal for all these guys. How many flat K's do you think an attacker should be able to hold off the world's elite chasing them down? What sense does it make to attack when the odds are so low? There's a course for every type of rider, msr just happens to be a sprinter's course. With few exceptions. |
MSR is a sprinters course because it's been made that way, there is no massive selection or winnable breaks on the Poggio or Cipressa any more because the The Hog Principle applies, it's controlled and controlled to the metre. Stapleton or Pieper would have had Goss, no radios today may have had a big impact. i hate wheelsuckers!!
Historically MSR was a better race because breaks were more regular, the finish was trickier and closer to the Poggio. But Races evolve and I don't always think they evolve for the right reasons and in the right way.
My own view, is either to add something to the finale or to go back to the Via Roma and pull the finish closer to the Poggio. Just my tuppence worth
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HuwB
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yup.
Came on to say the same, Mr S, that Scarponi was by some margin, man of the match.
Had a little smile at Mr Harmoan eluding to him having slim prospects of catching the lead bunch.
Took him little more than the total time on the Cipressa to close over a minute.
Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if he weren't back in the same bateau as Mr Sinkewitz.
Sad shot of the day?
Bottom of the Cipressa and Sky on the front of the main peloton, straddling the road, looking like rabbits caught in the headlights. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| HuwB wrote: | | Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if he weren't back in the same bateau as Mr Sinkewitz. |
Aw ... don't say that Huw.  |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Bartali wrote: | | HuwB wrote: | | Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if he weren't back in the same bateau as Mr Sinkewitz. |
Aw ... don't say that Huw. |
Well he has been going far better these past two seasons than pre-Puerto.
Of course, it might just be a natural progression................ |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I usually skip watching ES for Milan-San Remo, but i'm glad i didn't today. Great race.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| HuwB wrote: | | Bartali wrote: | | HuwB wrote: | | Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if he weren't back in the same bateau as Mr Sinkewitz. |
Aw ... don't say that Huw. |
Well he has been going far better these past two seasons than pre-Puerto.
Of course, it might just be a natural progression................ |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Bartali - on the website for the auction of sporting stuff in aid of the Save the Children Appeal for Japan, there is a Liquigas jersey signed by Basso, Nibs and Sagan.
Thought it might interest you 
Details here
http://www.qxl.no/Contents/no/reddbarna/index.htm
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Thx Kathy .... well it is a good cause isn't it! 
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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...........I thought I posted this last night.
| HuwB wrote: |
Sad shot of the day?
Bottom of the Cipressa and Sky on the front of the main peloton, straddling the road, looking like rabbits caught in the headlights. |
Doh, what we gonna do now ? Work, what the hell for, so where is the Hotel.??
We can ride straight down the main road y'know it's much easier.
Sinkewitz or not, that was a good ride that needed hard work. 
Now a comment with no reflection on that ride.
I have noted many times that PED riders still have to "Hurt" themselves to get their results but I suppose they know they have "an extra" in their system to do so.
There is only one I know of that makes it all look so easy and un-natural.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lovely quote from Scarponi
| Quote: | | “I tried to anticipate the finishing sprint,” he said. “Three hundred metres from the line, I was first. I can say that if Milan-San Remo was 297.7km instead of 298, I’d have won it.” |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Bartali wrote: | Lovely quote from Scarponi
| Quote: | | “I tried to anticipate the finishing sprint,” he said. “Three hundred metres from the line, I was first. I can say that if Milan-San Remo was 297.7km instead of 298, I’d have won it.” |
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very true, but he would still have had to make the first move and it would still have been 300 metres too long.
He will have to stay awake on the Cipressa and do a Pozzato and then use all that energy on the Poggio.
Time to dream perhaps.
Nibali & Scarponi in tandem up the Poggio. now that would have been an Epic.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| mr shifter wrote: | | There is only one I know of that makes it all look so easy and un-natural. |
Indurain?
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| SlowRower wrote: | | mr shifter wrote: | | There is only one I know of that makes it all look so easy and un-natural. |
Indurain? |
Contador??
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You two are very funny
I know exactly who Mr S means
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure they all just adopt the mantra of "Train hard and win easy"...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| SlowRower wrote: | | mr shifter wrote: | | There is only one I know of that makes it all look so easy and un-natural. |
Indurain? |
The Gentleman of the sport.
Never whinged but just got on with it. (as the wheel suckers came round for the stage win) There you are Bruyneel. (cycling would have been a better sport if he hadn't climbed out of that ravine)
You people must explain what level of assistance you are insinuating.
The bland statement for your own satisfaction that, they have all doped since time began has some truth in it but at what level.
In Tom Simpson's day it was amphetamines but they all took the dammed pills.
"Blood Bags". come on fer christ's sake, that is much different.
| gerry12ie wrote: | | Contador ?? |
Another one (like me) pulled from Death's door. 
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| mr shifter wrote: | | SlowRower wrote: | | mr shifter wrote: | | There is only one I know of that makes it all look so easy and un-natural. |
Indurain? |
The Gentleman of the sport.
Never whinged but just got on with it.
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You people must explain what level of assistance you are insinuating. |
Indurain was climbing at Hinault/LeMond power to weight ratios in 1990/1991, levels which had been consistently the best that could eb achieved by top riders for many years.
By '93, he was climbing at Armstrong/Ullrich power to weight ratios, i.e. an increase of 10% in his late 20s that just happened to coincide with the widespread adoption of EPO, for which no test existed, into the peleton.
Mig was undoubtedly a gentleman and didn't whinge publicly (although he apparently got into a major spat with his team when forced to race the '96 Vuelta), but the only conceivable explanation for his '93-'95 performance levels is EPO/blood doping.
And he certainly made it all look very easy indeed.
Good luck to him as well. Since he was beating the likes of Bugno, Chiapucci, Rominger, Riis, Pantani and Zulle, he seems like no less deserving a recipient of respect than any potential contemporary replacement on the top step of the podium!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| gerry12ie wrote: | | SlowRower wrote: | | mr shifter wrote: | | There is only one I know of that makes it all look so easy and un-natural. |
Indurain? |
Contador?? |
Frodo? |
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