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Slapshot 3 · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: Pellizotti to Quit Cycling

From CN.....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/d...lizotti-says-hes-quitting-cycling

HuwB · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:16 am Post subject:

Big discussion on the TAS ruling from the Rai team in last night's pre Tirreno show.
Not a happy bunch. Much of their venom was directed at Contador.
The "great injustice" being that Pellizotti had got the boot without failing a test,
yet Bertie is riding around, winning races, probably doing the Giro, having failed a test.
Spain also got a special mention, in comparison to Italian efforts.

Not surprised that Franco is walking away. What amounts to a 3 year ban, big fine etc. pointless to wait around to ride a season or two at a lower level. Better to find employment and start paying the bills.

Biosphere · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:19 am Post subject:

Contador had better be careful

As an extra penalty, CAS has cancelled all of Pelizotti’s results from May 17, 2009.

That's a 3 year ban! They were watching him for the best part of a year before they told him.

I don't know what to think regarding the passport, but I think it probably works for those that can't afford good "consultants", but for those that can afford the advice, it may well be a useful tool for keeping an exemplary profile. I do think trying to attack the science is probably a flawed defence strategy when scientists are the jury. Not saying they'll get it right and if you believe you're innocent then it's all you can attack, but . . .

The two outstanding passport cases will be interesting to see how they go.

Mrs John Murphy · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject:

I wonder what kind of reaction Dertie will get from the fans on the road if he does turn up in Italy.

While the UK press is pretty silent when it comes to criticising the Dertie case, (has Harmon even mentioned it?), the ES feed I've been listening to has spent a lot of time discussing and criticising the Spanish authorities.

Does FP have to repay his prize money?

kathy · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject:

Mrs John Murphy · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:22 pm Post subject:

And so what? Despite being 'cleared' he wasn't allowed to ride, unlike your boy who is having the red carpet laid out for him.

I didn't see the Italian prime minister tweeting that FP was innocent.

Spare me the Spanish victimhood.

SlowRower · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject:

MJM - Are you aware of the specific reason why FP wasn't riding despite being cleared by his national Federation? I don't know if you're asking because you don't know or as a debating tactic!

Was FP suspended by his team, for example? Obviously, Berto's not going to be suspended by his team, because he is the team to all intents and purposes.

Or do the Italians maintain suspensions even for riders they'v cleared until the appeals process has run its course?

Or are "passport" offences different in the rule book vs normal test failures in that the affected rider is suspended by the UCI until the appeals process is complete.

etc

There is certainly a difference in FP's and Berto's treatment, and it would be interesting to know who has been preventing FP riding since being originally cleared.
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Mrs John Murphy · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject:

I don't know the reason, other than the fact that one set of riders are Spanish and the others are non-Spanish riders.

You can contrast the way that FP, TV etc have been treated after being 'cleared' and the way in which Dertie and Piti were treated.

As I recall FP was sacked by Leaky after being banned initially and wasn't hired despite being 'cleared' the same goes for TV.

Meanwhile, Piti is allowed to train with his team while banned (against UCI rules) while Dertie is welcomed with open arms.

It seems pretty clear that there are rules and attitudes towards doping in Europe and North America, and then there are Iberian rules and attitudes.

Biosphere · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject:

SlowRower · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject:

Interesting - Whilst there are differences in the appraoches of different Federations, the key difference here appears to be that FP was considered expendable by Leaky whereas Bert and Valverde weren't by their teams.
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Slapshot 3 · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject:

Biosphere · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject:

SlowRower · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject:

SlowRower · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject:

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Slapshot 3 · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject:

SlowRower · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject:

Mrs John Murphy · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject:

So where does this leave say TV at AG2R who has also been cleared but is unable to ride.

BTW can anyone remember at what point Disco sacked Basso?

Bio - Riis may not be Spanish but his own reputation when it comes to doping and having dopers on his teams shows that he is not that bothered when it comes to the rules.

AZ is an odd one - he was willing to bend over backwards for the Uniballer and then got very cross over the annulled stage.

I suspect that if the UCI/WADA don't appeal then we will start seeing every national fed say 'what is good for the goose is good for the gander' and will start acquitting everyone no matter how spurious their stories are.

Boogerd_Fan · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject:

Looks like they found their 'big name' scapegoat, after we all laughed at the relative unknown nature of the first set of named riders caught on the passport featured no-one in particular...
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Biosphere · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: