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Bartali
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 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: Aldo Sassi RIP |
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| Aldo Sassi has died of cancer at age 51. The Italian lost his battle against a brain tumour overnight |
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very sad.
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read about it this morning. very sad.
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I've had a dim view on coaches/prepatories over the last few years but Aldo Sassi always seemed to be on the right side of the tracks, sad day.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Slapshot 3 wrote: | | I've had a dim view on coaches/prepatories over the last few years but Aldo Sassi always seemed to be on the right side of the tracks, sad day. |
Yup. Genuinely one of the good guys in cycling. I met him once back in the late 80s. With my father. He was only 51! Makes you think hard. My deepest condolences and sympathies to the Sassi family. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Guiness wrote: |
Yup. Genuinely one of the good guys in cycling. I met him once back in the late 80s. With my father. He was only 51! Makes you think hard. My deepest condolences and sympathies to the Sassi family. |
OK my condolences also but I admit that I know nothing.
It is very very sad to hear about any 51 year old passing away. (I immediatly think of some Texan poncing around the world in such a healthly state)
Nothing in Wiki so some info please as I can't place him.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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He's the guy that trains Evans and helped Basso pick his career up. Also had plans to help Cunego and Ricco. Appeared to be one of the good guys with a big heart!
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| Bartali wrote: | | He's the guy that trains Evans and helped Basso pick his career up. Also had plans to help Cunego and Ricco. Appeared to be one of the good guys with a big heart! |
Thanks.
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| Bartali wrote: | | He's the guy that trains Evans and helped Basso pick his career up. Also had plans to help Cunego and Ricco. Appeared to be one of the good guys with a big heart! |
Yup. He began coaching all the way back in 1982, starting to help Francesco Moser in his hour record attempt. He then continued coaching and even become a director at the super team Mapei for a short while. He was widely known for his strong anti-doping stance and only took on 10 riders at one time so he could train each one to the maximum. I have lots of respect for him. |
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Mrs John Murphy
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Always the good ones who die young. I only hope that there is someone who is willing and able to take his place in training guys to ride clean. Although I suspect that there will always be more Ferraris and Fuenteses than Sassis.
As I said in the other thread - I only hope that Ricco doesn't go back to his old tricks. |
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He seems to command a lot of respect in the cycling world and admittedly, I don't know that much about him and it's sad that it's taken his death for tributes to pour out. But in the back of my mind, I always thought he was of the "Fuentes" school of training due to his association with Moser, who I always associated with doping as well. Obviously, I'm must be wrong as everything I've heard about Sassi, now, has been nothing but good.
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Not necessarily saying Moser was always 'clean', but he comes in for a lot of criticism for pioneering blood doping in preparation for the hour record ... which of course is unfounded as it was perfectly legitimate at the time.
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He worked with as many dopers as anyone, though - notably Museeuw - at Mapei, and he was part of the Unholy Trinity (with Conconi & Ferrari) who blood doped Moser to his hour record.
He may believe that 'what today is doping in that period was science' but blood doping nonetheless is performance enhancing and renders Moser's record 'non physiological'.
I'm sure Sassi was one of the better guys but it's not like he was always some paragon
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| bianchigirl wrote: | | He may believe that 'what today is doping in that period was science' but blood doping nonetheless is performance enhancing and renders Moser's record 'non physiological'. |
With the greatest of respect I think that is off mark! A 'balanced diet', altitude training or even interval training are all performance enhancing ... and unless banned are as legitimate as anything else. Does anyone really think Merckx just woke up one morning and set the hour record without a huge amount of 'legal' scientific preparation. |
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Not at all, but diet & training are processes that the human body undergoes naturally - extracting blood, spinning it & re-infusing can't be referred to as an equally 'natural' process, surely?
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| To be fair you can change your opinion. My feeling (and hope) is that Sassi (unlike Ferrari) recognised that the rules of the game had changed and rather than breaking the rules, he took to attempting to improve riders performance through legal means. |
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Oh, I agree, MJM - after all, the reason Mapei training centre was established was so riders wouldn't go elsewhere i.e. to Ferrari
Guess you have to know how the dark side operates to develop better methods of doing things 
Wonder what Ricco will do now?
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Poacher turned gamekeeper?
But isn't cycling full of people who switched sides? Wasn't Damsgaard being held up as an icon of clean cycling a few years ago before he sold out? |
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Bartali
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| bianchigirl wrote: | | Not at all, but diet & training are processes that the human body undergoes naturally - extracting blood, spinning it & re-infusing can't be referred to as an equally 'natural' process, surely? |
Fair enough ... but it can be a fine line. Altitude training vs oxygen tents for example ... or even better bike design and cycle computers. |
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| bianchigirl wrote: | He worked with as many dopers as anyone, though - notably Museeuw - at Mapei,
I'm sure Sassi was one of the better guys but it's not like he was always some paragon |
Museeuw: I have the opinion that he is similar to pharmstrong.
He had a serious hospitalisation period (ie life threatening) and took advantage of his drug programe to return to winning ways.
I await your posts (with interest) regarding Johan's pre Arenberg (april 1998) positive tests.
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