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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

We'll it did look like the new young fellow Gaudu might be the real thing, although he is supposed to be a climber of the long haul, not so much up a steep hill.

I watched Martin too, and I think he did as well as he could.  Who the heck's stronger than Valverde.... Sagan?  Alaphilippe?  Martin on a good day?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had assumed earleir that Gaudu was a familiar version of Gaudin. I stand corrected. Still no harm in posting a bit of Tro Bro Leon.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:
I had assumed earleir that Gaudu was a familiar version of Gaudin. I stand corrected. Still no harm in posting a bit of Tro Bro Leon.


Was making the same assumption myself
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Fontfroide wrote:
We'll it did like the new young fellow Gaudu might be the real thing, although he is supposed to be a  climber of the long haul, not so much up a steep hill.



I've been very impressed by what I have seen of him so far.
Mixing it in a climber's classic at just 20 years of age.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like gone back in time some 5 or 6 years... Piti and Gilbert cleaning up like its 2011/12

Gaudu went too early.. but it's all aboout experience. Martin came from the back nicely for 2nd by the end.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gaudu went too early.. but it's all aboout experience. Martin came from the back nicely for 2nd by the end.


But of course you are right.  Experience.  And a little bit more muscle mass and endurance.  All that.  But not that many 20 year olds even TRY that kind of move.  That is what makes it moderately interesting.  I hope I last long enough watching cycling to be able to see what he turns out  to be, and how good he is.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry FF.. indeed he is a hot property, there's no mistake there. That was clear when he was hanging in elite company on the climbing stages in Catalunya.

Hopefully he won't go to SKY after they burnout Elissonde.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry FF.. indeed he is a hot property, there's no mistake there. That was clear when he was hanging in elite company on the climbing stages in Catalunya.


Looking at cqranking, that was a good showing in catalunya.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry FF.. indeed he is a hot property, there's no mistake there. That was clear when he was hanging in elite company on the climbing stages in Catalunya.

Hopefully he won't go to SKY after they burnout Elissonde.


Maybe he is a kind of quiet French guy who feels most comfortable in a French team, led a by a legend of French cycling, and where he allowed to ride carefully for a couple of years, living not to far from his parents and the village he grew up in.  They still exist, guys like that.

But of course sooner or later he will follow the money.  Movistar has a bit of money and Valverde seems a bit old, even he can win almost any race with an uphill finish.  Katyusha is pretty well funded.  But if he knows a bit of English maybe Sky will win the bidding.  Quick Step?

Not sure what you are sorry about, he does lack experience and muscle mass and endurance.  But guys win the Tour, or used to, at 23, so he has three more years where will see how he develops.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The start of this mornings race:

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The Astana riders lined up at the front of the peloton, with applause from the riders, official and crowd remembering Scarponi.

The Astana riders were wearing black armbands and several were in tears as everyone applauded. A huge photo of Scarponi was shown on the start podium.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, life goes on in the pro peloton as we reach the final monument of the spring, and the oldest race on the calendar. 258 kms over lumpy terrain in the Ardennes.
Of course, I'll be watching a recording again, so enjoy...
The LBL route.



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Woke up from my nap to be able to take in the last 40k.  Thought they were rather eventful in that drawn out cycling kind of way.  I showed my lack of familiarity with the race by getting a little panicky when the break at 5 minutes with thirty something k left.  How could all the big hitters miss that break?  Answer, well they didn't they were just waiting for the last hill, as usual, so Valverde could beat them all.  I thought the last 150 metres were a little boring, but as they say the strongest smartest rider with a good team support ... won.  Dan Martin is riding well though.  Vuillermoz is clearly going to be on "the list" for any race with a hill at the end, for the next few years, although he does need a bit growing up, so he can do five hills at the end, and not four.  

But sometimes these hilly classics have a not so obvious appeal.  Mean you could say they pretty much rode together as a HUGE peloton until the last short steep hill. then the action happened.  Not the stuff a spectator sport is made of.  Although I had not remembered there were some nice chateau along the way and even a few trees.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too much to write home about today I'm afraid.  I guess all of us here probably could have correctly forecasted the first three, and it finished just as everyone expected.  LBL has become the most predictable of the Monuments, and if Valverde is in form he'll win it.  The only other real option didn't make it to the start line, and the days of meaningful attacks from La Redoute or further out seem to be long gone.

There has been some good racing this spring, and a few signs for the future but the big races were all about well established stars - Valverde, GVA, Gilbert, Flower and Sagan.  Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vuillermoz has been on the list for years already!

Thought Dan Martin went early, but thats not why he lost - he was still second so it was a smart move. The issue was after 10-15s dig on his attack, he sat down again, and waited a bit while closing to Formolo wheel. Then went again after passing him. Why no full gas for last 2mins, all-in, and maybe Piti wouldn't be passing him after the turn


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