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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:56 am    Post subject: Grand Tour Routes 2017  Reply with quote

http://velonews.competitor.com/20...edition-begin-to-percolate_420296

More of an introduction to a romantic (dreamy, not dream) itinerary around Italy than a fixed parcours, but it is a good start.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any thoughts on 2017 Tour de France route:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-2017-route-presented/

Quite disappointed that they only have 2 days in Dusseldorf since it's fairly handy for me to get to from the Netherlands, it would have been nice to see 3 stages starting from there.

Too many mountains and not enough Mountain Top finishes for my liking.

Is the route suited to any one particular rider?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nibali .... Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 3 mountain top finishes is disappointing but as experience shows, it's all about how it's raced, though with the pretty ladies climb coming first week means the mountain top finishes are more spread out than other years
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also not on the tour de France but la course, I kind of like the idea of a 1 day mountain top finish.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2017 Vuelta

More big mountains and a penultimate day visit to Angry lou....fantastic

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/v...re-high-mountain-summit-finishes/
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CW has this complete run down of all the stages:-

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news...ditalia/giro-ditalia-route-192184
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a quick peep at the early potential line up for the Vuelta to see who is riding GC and so far we have....

Sky: Froome
Orica: Chaves, Yates x 2
Bora: Majka Konig
Astana: Aru, Lopez
Bahrain: Nibali
Ag2r: Bardet, Pozzovivo
QS: Jungels
Katusha: Zakarin
Cannondale: Uran, Formolo
Sunweb: Keldeman,
Lotto J: Kruisjiwijk, Bennett
Trek: Contador
UAE: Costa

All teams are nowhere near complete, but that's not a bad start!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Dumoulin said he wan't going earlier this week?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
I thought Dumoulin said he wan't going earlier this week?


Yes.
My mistake.
I thought he'd said he was riding it, but not going for the GC.
Still, that's one less tempo riding trialist, eh? Wink

Barguil is now confirmed I think and Alaphillipe is a probable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be good. 7 MTFs and 40km ish of ITT.  I hope Nibali is fit and makes a good fist of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For la Vuelta most bookies seem to have Froome around Evens fav. (in this country at any rate).

I would have thought that fresher riders like Nibali, Zakarin and even Kruijswijk would be at least on a par.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Vuelta organisers have made several significant route alterations.

Collado Bermejo made slighlty easier, with 6kms at 7.8%, but now with a more technicl descent and almost no flat to the finish. So improved, imo.


2) Easier side for the Pandera climb and a different approach.


3) No Sabinas on Sierra Nevada climb, so the usual, easier climb.
A significant down grading imo.


4) Adjustment of TT, 1,8 km less
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Anti-Froome measures? Laughing

Always worth a look, here.
https://twitter.com/LasterketaBurua
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Huw.
I was looking at the Los Machucos stage and noticed a few minor differences between the Vuelta site and the Steephill site that I put down as "someone going out and actually measuring the course".
The changes you have posted are a bit more than that Smile

I spotted the Machucos listed on the "dangerous roads in the world" site. It has concrete sections and they are avoiding the side with a 31% gradient. That also explains why they aren't including a descent.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
Anti-Froome measures? Laughing

How does making the climbs easier make it harder for Froome ?
If anyone is to beat him I expect it might be a pure climber so the harder climbs would help them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Anti-Froome measures? Laughing

How does making the climbs easier make it harder for Froome ?
If anyone is to beat him I expect it might be a pure climber so the harder climbs would help them.


More the 2km of flat TT being removed, but it was a comment made in jest.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:
Thanks Huw.
I was looking at the Los Machucos stage and noticed a few minor differences between the Vuelta site and the Steephill site that I put down as "someone going out and actually measuring the course".
The changes you have posted are a bit more than that Smile

I spotted the Machucos listed on the "dangerous roads in the world" site. It has concrete sections and they are avoiding the side with a 31% gradient. That also explains why they aren't including a descent.


This one?



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Anti-Froome measures? Laughing

How does making the climbs easier make it harder for Froome ?
If anyone is to beat him I expect it might be a pure climber so the harder climbs would help them.


More the 2km of flat TT being removed, but it was a comment made in jest.


From the organisers point of view, I wonder what is preferable. The news worthiness and novelty of a Tour / Vuelta double or someone else?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
mazda wrote:
Thanks Huw.
I was looking at the Los Machucos stage and noticed a few minor differences between the Vuelta site and the Steephill site that I put down as "someone going out and actually measuring the course".
The changes you have posted are a bit more than that Smile

I spotted the Machucos listed on the "dangerous roads in the world" site. It has concrete sections and they are avoiding the side with a 31% gradient. That also explains why they aren't including a descent.


This one?





That road looks like the runs of duckboards protecting all the delicate little patches of "special moss" in Aonach Mor.....
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Provisional Vuelta startlist (plus reserves) is out:-




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