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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:38 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Looks like a good Tour.  There don't appear to be many flat bits in the mountains between climbs, always good for adventures.  Some mountain top finishes for that kind of drama, but also some stages with some downhill finishes, some directly after the downhill.  Those could be good too, I adore the downhills.  No team time trial, which suits me fine.   A sprint finish in Montpellier which I will go to see, and some other stages pretty close by as well.  Some quite hilly bits early on, leading me to think there might be some gaps here and there in the first week, and maybe even some GC guys will lose a minute or two.  I do like a stage that is kind of flattish, but a short hill climb at the end. t
There were a couple this year which were quite good value.  Makes watching a little easier on the afternoon time allocation.  Bardet should be happy with stage 5, lives around there.  Vuillermoz also has a stage he knows well.  Time trials look rather hilly, and the one in the Ardeche will be very scenic for sure.

Although I don't know all the climbs, and don't even know some of the regions, it looks brilliant to me.  Climbers will like it, descenders will like it, and even the sprinters have five or six stages where they must mobilise their teams to catch the inevitable break.

In my mind, they are getting more creative lately.  Must be the influence of Thierry Gouvenou.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does look rather tasty.......
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have nicked some of these from Inner Ring. He seems to have more than ASO! Not bad for a guy/gal who just blogs during his lunch break Wink



Last few km of Stage 2. Sagan will prove there's no such thing as the Rainbow Curse as he scores another 2nd Wink


Stage 5's lumpy finish


Stage 8 starts the Pyrenean blitz


Stage 9


Stage 13 ITT - claimed 900m of climbing


Stage 15 looks like a right leg breaker


I rode 50ish km of Stage 17 last week before turning left half way down the descent of Mosses Smile


Stage 18 ITT


The final MTF that is Stage 19


Stage 20


I do like the look of it. My guess is they're sprinting south to mountains this year so that there isn't the Spring Classic Week 1 carnage that there's been for the last two years. They maybe hope to arrive there relatively early with most of the contenders intact (including home hopes) and let them fight it out for the next two weeks?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the look of it too .
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That run down off teh Joux Plane is vicious if I remember rightly.... that could be a bit tasty to tired tired boys... does look pretty good
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks rather balanced.

I reserve judgement until seeing the shape of the GC after Ventoux. I expect Froome to blast the pyranees and the Alps will mean nothing Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the Morzine stage a virtual re-run of the Landis stage in 2006?

When we were at the Joux Plane in the summer there was a sizeable chunk of road between the Joux Plane and Morzine that had been washed away in a landslide. Let's hope they've fixed it by next summer!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, of course you are right.
In my mind stages 16 and 17 had morphed in such a manner that it was Phonak attacking up the Galibier.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm concerned by the lack of MTF during the big mountain days.  Stage 8 potentially ruined by the long straight fast descent into Luchon and potentially a similar story on stage 15.  Of course ... the argument is that this promotes harder racing earlier into the stages, but difficult to see anyone taking the bull by the horns other than the Astana duo.

I like the ITTs.  They look right for once ... but probably enough to allow Froome to race relatively conservatively.

It has promise tho ...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't more MTF make it "less balanced" ? Wink
You could argue there are fewer "wasted" peaks, although the Evalira in stage 10 is a pretty big waste (depending on where exactly they start from).

Of course if the best climber is also the best TTer then it won't be exciting.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slapshot 3 wrote:
That run down off teh Joux Plane is vicious if I remember rightly.... that could be a bit tasty to tired tired boys... does look pretty good
Remember that Master descender Richard Virenque playing with Roberto Heras on that descent as he led him most of the way down till that sharp bend coming into Morzine. He had let him through and followed Heras as he overcooked that bend and crashed, so Virenque pottered home for the win.
Memory of Jan Ullrich doing fifty pence (threepenny bit) cornering down that hill.
Memory of Stephen Roche descending so fast he overtook the Lead Car as he gained time on Delgado to win that Tour. The road isn't very wide, is it ?
Memory of sleeping (?) in a SKI Lodge up there and those bloody cow bells ringing all night as they kept passing the window.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went away on the day this came out. Didn't really feel like giving it the once over while in Spain.
Pretty much agree. From the limited profiles we have, seems like a pretty decent route, with a few old favourites being recalled, adding to the blend with the newer or unused stuff.
Not sure if 54kms on TT, split into two, while be much different to one, long one, but overall, I prefer the look to the Giro.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In ahead of tomorrow's Vuelta route reveal:-


10 Mtfs and but a handful on kms against the clock.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Official site now has the details:

http://www.lavuelta.com/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

last roll of the dice for JRod?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have already booked a hotel in Ourense to see the first two stages!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Giro road book is now available for folks to peruse:-

http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-.../2016/04/Garibaldi-affiancate.pdf

Four stages will be covered live from start to finish.

It only dawned on me last week that the TTT kicks it off in Appeldoorn, which is where the NL velodrome is and I've been to.
That's where the trial is starting from.
Wished I'd thought to make the trip, now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eurosport's TDF tv schedule:-
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/ne...-france-2016-live-tv-guide-233516
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 days to go.
Can feel the first flush of excitement / nervousness in my stomach (which, tbh, surprised me).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear itv4 using Ned boulting, David Millar and matt rendall for commentary

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