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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Giro 2017:Dolce,Cafe and Grappa! Stages 16-21May 23rd - 28th  Reply with quote

STAGE 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km

START TIME: 10.25 CEST


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This queen stage across the Alps will feature a double pass over the Stelvio, first along the Bormio side, and then taking a first-ever climb up the Swiss side. The stage starts from Rovetta, starting stage town in 2008, and initially, the route climbs slightly, cutting across the Val Camonica. Next, the peloton clears the Mortirolo Pass (along the southern side, as in 1990), with gradients topping out at 16% in the last kilometres. Then comes a narrow and very technical descent leading to Grosio, where the route will run up the Adda River valley, heading for the first passage in Bormio that marks the beginning of a 100-km “circuit”. First, the route climbs up the Stelvio Pass (Cima Coppi), with a very technical descent leading to Prato allo Stelvio, and then enters Switzerland, heading for the Umbrailpass (Giogo di Santa Maria). The climb totals 13.5 km, at a steady 9% gradient, with peaks topping out at 12%. Another technical descent (with a few tunnels along the route) then leads all the way to Bormio (already stage town at the Giro for fourteen times). The final 20 km are essentially downhill. A little after the red flag, in Bormio, the route takes a U-turn and levels out, heading for the finish after a few 90-degree bends. The finish line lies on a 100-m long and 7.0-m wide asphalt home stretch.






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STAGE 17: Tirano – Canazei 219 km

START TIME: 11.15 CEST


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The stage is wavy, with a few technical climbs in the first part, such as Aprica and Passo del Tonale after the start from Tirano. A long drop then takes the peloton across the Val di Sole. The route goes up again in the second half: first comes the Giovo categorised summit, then comes a long false flat up, leading all the way to the finish in Canazei (already three times stage town). The route climbs slightly in the last 5 km, on wide and well-surfaced road, with just a very short descent 1,000 m before the finish. The home straight (450m) is on 6.5-m wide asphalt road.




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STAGE 18: Moena – Ortisei/St.Ulrich 137 km

START TIME: 13.00 CEST


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This queen stage starts from Moena which has been stage town six times and goes across the Dolomites taking in 5 consecutive categorised climbs, with not even a single flat stretch in between: Passo Pordoi (2016 KOM Damiano Cunego), Passo Valparola, Passo Gardena, Passo Pinei and Pontives (final climb). The stage features a remarkable rise and drop of a little less than 4,000 m in 137 km, with average gradients of approx. 7% and topping out at 15%. The roads are always moderately wide and well surfaced. The stage arrives in Ortisei, already arrival of the Giro in 1940 and 2005. The Pontives categorised summit (4 km before the finish) marks the slope change in the closing climb. Next on the route are a false-flat uphill drag, up to 1,500 m before the finish, and a steep stretch up to 500 m before the finish, with gradients topping out at 13%. The stage course then turns right and takes a short descent on setts-paved road, up to 150 m from the finish, where the road levels out. The finish line sits on 5.5-m wide asphalt road.





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STAGE 19: S.Candido/Innichen – Piancavallo 191 km

START TIME: 12.00 CEST


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This is a high mountain stage with a long flat drag in the final part of the route, before the closing climb. The stage starts from San Candido for the first time in the history of the Giro. The peloton will climb up Passo di Monte Croce Comelico (categorised summit) and Cima Sappada on relatively wide and well-paved roads, with a long descent then leading all the way to Tolmezzo. Next comes the Sella Chianzutan categorised summit. Along the descent, the route passes through a few porphyry-paved tunnels (well surfaced and well lit), and then levels until Aviano, where the final climb begins. Arrival in Piancavallo, as it happened in 1998 (stage won by Pantani). The final 15 km run entirely uphill. The first 10 kilometres go up at very steep gradients - around 9% and topping out at 14%. With 10.9 km to go, the road levels out and even descends a little, then climbs up again (passing through an avalanche gallery) with milder gradients (max. 8%). The final kilometre is quite sinuous, still climbing slightly. The home stretch (100 m in length) sits on a wide, mild bend, on 6.5-m wide asphalt road, and has a 1.5% uphill gradient.




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STAGE 20: Pordenone – Asiago 190 km

START TIME: 11.55 CEST


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The stage starts from Pordenone which has already hosted 6 stages in the history of the Giro. Then the first 100 km are on relatively flat roads, at the foot of the Prealps in the province of Treviso, with a categorised summit at Muro di Ca’ del Poggio and an intermediate sprint in Feltre. The route then climbs up Monte Grappa (24 km conquered in 2014 by Nairo Quintana and in 2010 by Ivan Basso), on narrowed roadway. The climb is steep and sharp at first, then the gradient declines, with a few changes in slopes before the categorised summit. A very long (26 km) and technical descent follows, with several hairpins and on moderately wide roads. The route then takes in the last climb in Foza (unprecedented KOM at the Giro, rising steadily at a 7% gradient, with a number of hairpins). The final 15 km are rolling and wavy. The route descends slightly over the last 5 km, up to 400 m before the finish. The roads are wide and well paved outside the city centres. When entering Asiago (four times starting stage and four times arrival) , the peloton will encounter roundabouts and traffic dividers. There is a last bend 450 m before the finish line, and the home stretch, on 7-m wide asphalt road, has a mild uphill gradient.






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STAGE 21: Monza – Milano 29.3 km ITT

START TIME: TBD


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The start of the ITT is set on the home straight of the Autodromo Nazionale Monza (already stage twon in 1949 and 1985). After completing one lap of the circuit, the stage course takes the pit lane and passes behind the paddocks to enter the Monza Park. The route then emerges from Villa Reale (first time split), then proceeds along wide, straight and well-paved avenues. In Sesto San Giovanni, the route takes the railway underpass. The second time split is taken upon entering Viale Italia. From here on, the course runs almost straight up to 2 km from the finish in Piazza Duomo. As far as Milan is concerned, it counts 8 stages with start and finish, 47 starts and 77 arrivals (last arrival in 2015). In the stage finale, the route first runs on wide avenues, and then on narrowed roads over the last few hundred metres, with several consecutive 90-degree turns over the last 100 - 150 metres, before entering Piazza Duomo. The home straight (150 m) is on 6-m wide stone-paved road.




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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so if anyone is remotely interested in taking this away from Dumoulin, this has to explode on the Mortorilo ... if not, Dumoulin will manage his resources well enough to mark until Milan. Unfortunately I will be at work so will be watching a recording ...
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice idea with the photos Huw Smile

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Okay, so if anyone is remotely interested in taking this away from Dumoulin, this has to explode on the Mortorilo ... if not, Dumoulin will manage his resources well enough to mark until Milan. Unfortunately I will be at work so will be watching a recording ...


The usual 3rd week GT chess will come is going to come into play as well though - if Nibali tries to attack, then Pinot will mark him and so on. Eases some of the tactical pressure on Dumoulin.

But yes they need to isolate him and then shake the tree a lot to see if anything drops out of it.

I did think about being on the last climb tomorrow, but it's about 5 hours travelling to get to 1400m and anything higher is seemingly on foot . . . Sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless Rai interrupt their usual Giro morning shows, we won't get to see any of the Mortirolo in any case.
It's not the usual side, so nowhere near as steep.
No doubt Movistar will employ their usual tactic of sending multiple riders up the road. They are good at that. However, how they use them afterwards is not always so good.
The top third of Stelvio, when we get around the 2000 metre mark is where I expect things to kick off.

The weather forecast hasn't changed much in the past week.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the Stelvio is steep enough to do real damage to Dumoulin ... he's too clever to panic and will learn from experience. If it were me I would put him under pressure asap.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
I don't think the Stelvio is steep enough to do real damage to Dumoulin ... he's too clever to panic and will learn from experience. If it were me I would put him under pressure asap.


A lack of steep climbs after Blockhaus is maybe why he and others chose to come to the race. Most of the forthcoming MTFs have flat/ low gradient top finishes.

Anyhow, typical Rai means that Eurosport epg changed last night.
Now live from 11-15am, hopefully catching the top kms of the Mortirolo.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be a cracking day, got it recording but will try to watch some sneaky bits on my phone, I hope Tom gets through it ok
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A huge break with little time, being chased by "missed it" Gazprom means they just starting the final 10kms of the Mortirolo.
So coverage will start only for the last couple of kms, no more, I reckon.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trek and Mollema already riding to protect his 6th place.
How pathetic is that?

Brian Smith on Eurosport not impressed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad  Sadly predictable.
Why don't they put someone in the break, or at least make the effort at the time.

Kruijswijk is also in the break.
Maybe Amador followed him to protect his 9th place.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7 out in front including 2 Movistar.
Anacona also busting a gut to bridge across to them. He's made up 30 seconds or so.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 Movistar - Izagirre, Anacona, Amador
2 Sky - Deignan, Landa
LL Sanchez
Igor Anton
Kruijswijk
Hirt

Anton appears to complain that he doesn't think the pace is quick enough.
His bluff doesn't work and Landa goes with him and takes the Cima Coppi easily.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amador attacks on the descent.
After a while Landa goes after him and seems to be somewhat more efficient.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know why - the left-handed hairpins make me more nervous than the right-handed ones.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is Sanchez and Deignan that have been dropped by the 5 chasers behind the 2 leaders.

edit - LLS and Izagirre
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolland and Ten Dam are caught by the GC group.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GC group was being led at a steady pace by QuickStep.
Is now strung out so something has changed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orica and Katusha now driving the GC group and bringing the gap down.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kruijswijk attacks.
Landa makes it across.
Hirt and Amador next on the road.

GC gap down to 1'30"
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After that emergency poo, Dumoulin looks rough.
His Giro is literally down the toilet.

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