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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
A few observations:
- sunweb/dumoulin had the whole length of valley road to do something but elected to wait until it was far too late to get back quickly through the cars (i.e. Directly before the climb started proper, forcing tom to chase on much steeper terrain than necessary). I believe he could have gone sooner, seeing his discomfort earlier in the stage not just a sudden emergency.

- he still limited the losses very well.. don't think it's a stomach upset or real sickness otherwise it wouldn't be 2:20 but 5:00+ lost

- nibali, Quintana responded to zakarin for obvious reasons, but it didn't look like they were really motoring on the climb for a good 15 mins - pellizotti rode tempo, jungels was hanging on, as was bunch of others.

- Movistar getting stick for not sitting up...but they also didn't play their relay card either... Quintana did what was  necessary to defend but did not once attack the chase group to try to gain more advantage from the mishap.

- in Switzerland when Plaza and katusha were driving the chase, why wasn't their some better communication from sunweb that the pink jersey needs to stop and they should hold on and save the chase for the climb ?

- Laurens ten dam waited. But was immediately spent in 500m trying to pace dumoulin back to the favourites group... again lack of team strength undermined tom's position.


a very good summation of yesterday.
it was a 32km to go, the next 15km was uphill so the racing was going. too close to the start of the climb


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40+ riders ahead today.



and i couldn't fp a rider in it  Confused   Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Movistar were taking heat on social media like twitter and Facebook.

Dudu has said in the post stage interview he first felt like needing to go on the Stelvio climb... so why on earth leave it until then to go? More opportunity to go soone in the valley than I first thought.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Movistar were taking heat on social media like twitter and Facebook.

Dudu has said in the post stage interview he first felt like needing to go on the Stelvio climb... so why on earth leave it until then to go? More opportunity to go soone in the valley than I first thought.


A sure sign they did nothing wrong.
Do they not realise that Kruisjwijk was up the road and 6 minutes down on GC?
So, riders are now expected to sacrifice their own GC position for the sake of fair play...
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:
. . Rolland was with the pair, but once again proving himself nobody's equal he's now been dropped by the front two or has gone back of his own accord (perhaps just after the two cat 2 climbs) . .


He was just bluffing Wink

Today was more or less expected I would say. Big break and a go slow behind.

GC hostilities again tomorrow with another manic start? They are climbing from the off.

Credit where due, it was an excellently timed attack which he carried all the way to the line.
I don't begrudge him winning a stage - just the KoM.
Looks like Talansky's win in the ToC has set the ball rolling.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
A sure sign they did nothing wrong.
Do they not realise that Kruisjwijk was up the road and 6 minutes down on GC?
So, riders are now expected to sacrifice their own GC position for the sake of fair play...
... or their opportunity win a targeted stage.

In other news ... I love the Pordoi Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another big break - less than 20 riders though.

Bahrain up the pace a little, and then Orica up it a little more.
Polanc in trouble for a short while.

Gap to break is 1'45"
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BT Open Reach turned up and spent 3 hours fixing my phone line.
My internet is back. Very Happy

Interesting cut and thrust but really it's all been about the Dolomites>>>>>Alps, so far.
12.3kms at 6.4% and it's a 2nd cat here. No so in the TDF!
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Movistar have used up most of their team thinning out the GC group and trying to keep up with the Sky driven break ahead.

GC group very thin now.
Jungels dropped for now - will catch up on the long descent.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... except that Quintana has attacked, looking for Amador and further on Ancona.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that was interesting ... round one over.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather refreshing to see a little bit of attacking 50k from the tend.  To no real end so far.  Guess we will see at the bottom.  Dumoullin seems fine so far.  The Movistar plan does not seem to have yet realised itself yet.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advantage Dumoulin I'd say ... just.
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That was impressive
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of earlish action, but if Quintana drops Dumoulin, it will be in the final 3kms of the last climb.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might as well list the 7 remaining in the breakaway - although with less than a minute over the 20 riders in the GC group

edit - only 15 in GC group

Mikel Landa
Diego Rosa
Joe Dombrowski
Davide Villella
Tejay van Garderen
Natnael Berhane
Jan Hirt.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I concede.  A flurry of activity yes.  A bit of testing, yes, but it appears that if nothing happens on the 15k descent to break up the two groups in front, then .... comes down to the last climb.  Still, awesome buttes and mountains around here.  If I had a following car, I could do this one day.

Glad Thibaut is still there, gives me hope for the pick of the day.

Jesus, just saw Rosa struggling like I do.  these guys are incredible how they just ride like dogs and then fade.  Yet, where will Rosa eventually finish.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Fraile slightly distanced the rest are happy to cruise over the top of the Pinei behind Landa.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tired legs out there ... and I think they were hoping Dumoulin would be weaker.
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Not quite FF, it has been full gas.
The GC group is the smallest it has ever really been.
Perhaps just 12 now.
Only Orica and Movistar have any domestiques left.
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Isn't Sitsou still n there?


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