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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Nibali has hit form 3 days earlier than last year.
Only Quintana can live with him.
Zakarin.........
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got back from the Montpellier neurologist (the wife, not me).  Did I miss anything?

Happy to see either Landa or Nibali win.  NOT Quintana.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Nibs will want to gift the stage.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:
I don't think Nibs will want to gift the stage.


You got that right.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think Nibs will want to gift the stage.


That explains the lengthy chat and Landa doing all the work in the final 2kms. Wink

Dumoulin now has the dual problem of defending a slender lead and having to crap on Italy's first stage win, in the post stage dust up to come.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GC now looks far more interesting.

Have to again question the tactics of Trek and Orica at various times on the stage, although they might have indirectly had an impact on Tom's troubles.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was all a bit Hollywoody today. Watched the last 55km as live this evening. Did not see that coming - keeps it interesting. Came across this snippet

@ammattipyoraily wrote:

Dumoulin was 5th fastest rider on Umbrailpass. Faster than Pinot, Jungels, Mollema, Yates and Formolo.


If it's a 1 day stomach upset and that's what he's like when the world is falling out of his bottom, then it's far from over.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kept radio silence today and watched the highlights 'live'.  If you take the very obvious dramatic event out of it then it would have been not much at all except an Italian win at last.  That said, this was yet another example of cycling giving itself an opportunity to bemoan the lack of chivalry and sportsmanship that was once (apparently) predominant in the sport, but in reality is seldom, if ever, on display.

A real patrone would have made an unambigouos decision to race or wait, but instead there was the usual he said/she said, and they were already racing/not racing, and the guy two places behind was up the road...

I did notice that Eurosport asked Dumoulin and Quintana about the etiquette issue, but Flecha didn't mention it to Nibali - maybe he was told not to?

Anyhow, it will be very interesting to see how TD is tomorrow.  If he's okay downstairs I reckon he will be okay upstairs - but if not then it could be a long, long week.  It's easy to talk about the Giro curse of the Dutch but its always going to be so much more difficult when the team support is minimal.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lads in work had good things to say about Sam Bennett's serialised Giro diary.  I hadn't read it until today, but it made me smile...

Quote:
At least Lukas and I, and most of my team-mates have a normal room in this hotel, unlike a couple of our soigneurs, who are based two stories down, below the restaurant.

Away from prying eyes, they have a room complete with mirrored ceiling, remote control mood lighting and a strategically placed stripper's pole.
Being pretty straight-laced Germans, the guys are so embarrassed about it, but I think it's hilarious, especially as it's the room where half of the lads had to go for their massage this afternoon.

I don't think the mirrors on the ceiling were designed for that. Apparently there are another two rooms with a similar vibe; the dark room, which apparently has a swing in it, and the oriental room.

I don't know what the oriental room is all about but I doubt you'd get a decent chicken curry in it.


http://www.independent.ie/sport/o...-from-the-next-room-35744426.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few observations:
- sunweb/dumoulin had the whole length of valley road to do something but elected to wait until it was far too late to get back quickly through the cars (i.e. Directly before the climb started proper, forcing tom to chase on much steeper terrain than necessary). I believe he could have gone sooner, seeing his discomfort earlier in the stage not just a sudden emergency.

- he still limited the losses very well.. don't think it's a stomach upset or real sickness otherwise it wouldn't be 2:20 but 5:00+ lost

- nibali, Quintana responded to zakarin for obvious reasons, but it didn't look like they were really motoring on the climb for a good 15 mins - pellizotti rode tempo, jungels was hanging on, as was bunch of others.

- Movistar getting stick for not sitting up...but they also didn't play their relay card either... Quintana did what was  necessary to defend but did not once attack the chase group to try to gain more advantage from the mishap.

- in Switzerland when Plaza and katusha were driving the chase, why wasn't their some better communication from sunweb that the pink jersey needs to stop and they should hold on and save the chase for the climb ?

- Laurens ten dam waited. But was immediately spent in 500m trying to pace dumoulin back to the favourites group... again lack of team strength undermined tom's position.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Sunweb/Dumoulin had the whole length of valley road to do something but elected to wait until it was far too late to get back quickly through the cars (i.e. Directly before the climb started proper, forcing tom to chase on much steeper terrain than necessary). I believe he could have gone sooner, seeing his discomfort earlier in the stage not just a sudden emergency.
This is where I am too.  You can't go for a poo ar the foot of a climb and expect everyone to stop.  As it was, other than Z's short-lived attack - they pretty much rode tempo for a long long time.  It's a difficult one.  I'm not entirely without sympathy , but I don't think it is that clear cut.

That aside ... lovely to see Nibs get something from the Giro.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:
It was all a bit Hollywoody today. Watched the last 55km as live this evening. Did not see that coming - keeps it interesting. Came across this snippet

@ammattipyoraily wrote:

Dumoulin was 5th fastest rider on Umbrailpass. Faster than Pinot, Jungels, Mollema, Yates and Formolo.


If it's a 1 day stomach upset and that's what he's like when the world is falling out of his bottom, then it's far from over.


According to LTD he did have the runs.
Times up the Umbrailpass could be a bit misleading given the way things played out.
If he didn't go too deep yesterday, it is far from over, as you say.
Which is good for us and good for the race.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also not sure why Movistar would be getting stick - for once they seem like the innocent party in this. They had two riders up the road that they didn't really get to use.

If I were Sunweb I wouldn't bother taking responsibility for setting the pace today. Other teams have a lot more interest now in not letting anyone do a Pereiro.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least they didn't fine Dumoulin for unseemly behaviour.
Pinot and Zakarin were fined 100 CHF for something or other.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have Movistar gotten much stick? They didn't do a lot with the situation IMO, and I've not seen much (or even any) negative feedback.

I did like Nibali's bunny hop. If it was me I might have just about managed the first bit and then forgotten to brake for the hairpin and carried on in a straight line.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

40+ riders ahead today.

Mohoric and Brutt have 4' on a large pack containing Polanc (?).
Peloton at 9'

Rolland was with the pair, but once again proving himself nobody's equal he's now been dropped by the front two or has gone back of his own accord (perhaps just after the two cat 2 climbs).

The large group isn't working particularly well - there are 5 Team DD riders.
How long before Quick Step respond to Polanc ?
Perhaps they won't need to.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make it that Polanc is in the virtual top ten now as well as leading the best young rider.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In work but hoped I might have had a chance with Conti when I saw he was in the break... then I noticed Polanc and Costa are there for UAE as well.  Oh well...
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed you might.
Conti looks lively - but he might be trying to set up a counter attack for Costa.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:
. . Rolland was with the pair, but once again proving himself nobody's equal he's now been dropped by the front two or has gone back of his own accord (perhaps just after the two cat 2 climbs) . .


He was just bluffing Wink

Today was more or less expected I would say. Big break and a go slow behind.

GC hostilities again tomorrow with another manic start? They are climbing from the off.

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