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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:26 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
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I would love to know why a number of us don't warm to Quintana.


1. He cheated to win the 2014 Giro
2. I struggle to believe he is legit because of the length of time he spends (or at least used to spend) in S.America with relatively little testing
3. Until very resentantly he was a frustratingly conservative rider choosing to save his effort for 1-2 days in week three (even his Vuelta win was a result of following Berties crazy attack rather than initiating something himself)
4. He's not Italian


Nor is he Belgian Very Happy

Seriously though, Bart has pretty much nailed it.  It is very hard to get any kind of handle on him as he is only really around for his target races, but he has been majorly conservative in most races, and seems to bank all on the final week (or even the final climb).  

The way he won his 2014 Giro left a taste in the mouth, and even though he was clearly in his best third-week form I'm not convinced he would have dislodged Uran in proper race circumstances.

I think Froome has his measure in the TDF, although if he wins this Giro it will be his third GT and surely has a couple more in him - but he certainly doesn't fire the imagination...
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see White is winging that Movistar should have eased up and waited.  So many double standards in this sport.  Disappointed for Thomas and Yates, but it was just a crash like many others and the race doesn't stop ... period.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
I see White is winging that Movistar should have eased up and waited.  So many double standards in this sport.  Disappointed for Thomas and Yates, but it was just a crash like many others and the race doesn't stop ... period.


Unless Matt White is playing some form of mind games, he's way off beam with that.
You aren't going to give up position after all that work, just to play the gentlemen.

It sucks, it's done, it's already part of Giro history.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know there is a lot of antipathy (and worse) to Quintana, but I thought that was an impressive, even entertaining ride over the last 5km.
He deserves the acclaims for the Stage win.

It was enough for the ES commentary to label him as probably the second best pure climber in the world right now Smile

But I did feel a little bit sick over the preceding 7 or 8 km as the repercussions sank in. Sky and Thomas made no accusations at all towards Movistar, and Brailsford had the air of someone who had lost out on a free bar of chocolate today, but knew he might get one tomorrow.

I thought Nibali looked good, until he didn't.
I liked the way Pinot counter attacked after the Dutch duo caught him. One might ask why he wasn't going faster in the first place but I suspect they slowed for Tom to have a rest, with Bauke already on the limit.

So still a 4 horse race ?
Quintana will want to do the minimum to keep his energy for the TdF.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To that which Mazda refers to in the post above:-

https://www.teamsky.com/article/crash-derails-giro-challenge

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"It's just about keeping fighting. We kept fighting today and never gave up. It could have been a lot worse. We lost five minutes but I felt like I lost three or four of those on the side of the road - so the legs are obviously decent.

"I'll aim to have a good rest day tomorrow, give the TT a good bash and then see where we stand. It's obviously going to be super hard to win the overall now, but there are still stages to go for and we might still be able to move up into the top 10 or better. At the moment I just want to use the aggression, race hard and see what I can get out of it.

"I've had worse crashes. My shoulder is sore but it's nothing I can't deal with. There's a lot more racing to be had so we'll get stuck in."



For me, in a sense, nothing much has changed.
I still expect it to end up a 2 horse race, with Nibali in the ascendancy, as the other contenders either fade, or struggle to maintain position.
My only real nagging doubt about this, now that Landa has been torpedoed, is the mercurial enigma that is Tibaut Pinot.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
It sucks, it's done, it's already part of Giro history.
Spot on.  And to Mazda's point, it was an excellent ride by Quintana - credit where credit is due - though I suspect he would have expected to take more out of Dumoulin.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
I would love to know why a number of us don't warm to Quintana.


1. He cheated to win the 2014 Giro
2. I struggle to believe he is legit because of the length of time he spends (or at least used to spend) in S.America with relatively little testing
3. Until very resentantly he was a frustratingly conservative rider choosing to save his effort for 1-2 days in week three (even his Vuelta win was a result of following Berties crazy attack rather than initiating something himself)


The 2014 Giro really gets my back up to this day and worse that the organisers did sod all about it. It would appear that all mutual respect for the unwritten rules has gone from the peleton... can't wait till the next time Valmerde has a whinge... they will get pelters!!

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4. He's not Italian


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  I have to agree, in fact since we were invaded by a very lovely Italian girl, i daren't say anything negative about Italy... It would appear my Idiot Son has finally grown up and seen some sense...  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sky's ongoing and never-ending Giro curse continues.
Kiriyenka bins it hard in the final corner, but still manages the early lead, having lost 30 seconds and a fair bit of skin.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas goes quickest - presumably he had a police escort.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jungels second for now - 7" down.
That is guaranteed to drop to 3rd, and others like Amador might also get up there.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, 2nd and 3rd are looking safe for Thomas and Jungels.

All comes down to how much time Dumoulin is taking out of all his rivals.
Looks like a minimum of 2 minutes.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good third sector from Nibali - only losing another 15 seconds to Thomas.
Currently #5 at 1'18"
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mollema 10" slower than Nibali.

Dumoulin beats Thomas by 49"
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pinot drops 35" to Nibali - enough time to go below Mollema in the GC, but stays just above Nibali.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quintana had lost 27" to Pinot by the second checkpoint, so he'll be very close to those three riders unless he loses more time.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New GC:
Dumoulin
Quintana 2.23
Mollema 2.38
Pinot 2.40
Nibali 2.47
Jungels 3.56
Pozzovivo 4.05
Zakarin 4.17
Amador 4.39
Kruijswijk 5.19
Thomas 5.33
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

53'30" for Quintana.
So he actually pulled back time on Pinot in the final sector.
Should only drop to 2nd on GC.
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Kelderman is going to be missed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:
Kelderman is going to be missed.


Absolutely.
It's only old man Ten Dam and Preidler, up against the might of Movistar, who  are going to have to go on the early attack, given there's a flat 28km ITT to finish and the possibility of no Stelvio.

If Sky can stay awake for once, there might be an opportunity to exploit, so as to get Geraint right into the mix for the podium.
You can bet your bottom dollar that Nibs will be doing just that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fontfroide wrote:
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Stage 10

Campanaerts.  Hardly know the guy at all, but might pick up a crumb or two.


A pretty good stab in the dark, I'd say, given I was going to pick him!

I'll take his team mate, Jos Van Emden.


Well, Huw, anytime I think I am a clever dick and know a thing or two, remind me about this pick.  He lost 11 minutes and must be ill or something.  Certainly, on the day a terrible pick.  You did well to be a bit late in picking.  And my nationalist pick Thibaut, he really had a terrible day.  Frankly, I think he is a bit of lad who has never settled down and taken his job very seriously.  Even If I like him a bit.


Campenaerts had announced lunchtimish today that it was another rest day for him ("Een tweede rustdag voor mij") and he was saving his legs for Kruijswijk. Maybe he saw your FP and felt the need to make a statement Wink

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