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Tour 2016, Stages 17-21, Paris via Hell, July 19th-24th
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:11 pm    Post subject: Tour 2016, Stages 17-21, Paris via Hell, July 19th-24th  Reply with quote

One of the hardest finishing weeks that I can remember.

Stage 17:-





Mountain passes & hills Berne / Finhaut-Emosson 184.5KM

   Km 72.5 - Côte de Saanenmöser6.6 kilometre-long climb at 4.8% - category 3

   Km 105.0 - Col des Mosses6.4 kilometre-long climb at 4.4% - category 3

   Km 166.5 - Col de la Forclaz (1 527 m)13 kilometre-long climb at 7.9% - category 1

   Km 184.5 - FINHAUT-EMOSSON (1 960 m)10.4 kilometre-long climb at 8.4% - category H



The Tour's promo video:-
https://vimeo.com/169979129

This finish was last used in the 2014 Dauphine. The final few kms, which should cheer up the Dutch and Contador fans alike :-

https://youtu.be/x0eGkfTsP7Y

Stage 18:-







Stage 19:-





Mountain passes & hills Albertville / Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc 146KM

   Km 42.5 - Col de la Forclaz de Montmin (1 157 m)9.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.9% - category 1

   Km 73.5 - Col de la Forclaz de Queige (870 m)5.6 kilometre-long climb at 7.8% - category 2

   Km 96.5 - Montée de Bisanne (1 723 m)12.4 kilometre-long climb at 8.2% - category H

   Km 146.0 - Le Bettex (1 372 m)9.8 kilometre-long climb at 8% - category 1






Stage 20:-



****Provisional Profile****


The Col de la Ramaz, already removed from the etape, is unlikely to feature, due to rock falls, but the final decision will not be taken until 24 hours before the stage.
Nevertheless.....

Mountain passes & hills Megève / Morzine-Avoriaz 146.5KM

   Km 21.0 - Col des Aravis (1 487 m)6.7 kilometre-long climb at 7% - category 2

   Km 45.5 - Col de la Colombière (1 618 m)11.7 kilometre-long climb at 5.8% - category 1

   Km 93.5 - Col de la Ramaz (1 619 m)13.9 kilometre-long climb at 7.1% - category 1

Km 134.5 - Col de Joux Plane (1 691 m)11.6 kilometre-long climb at 8.5% - category H



 

And finally............Stage 21:-



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends how hard the riders ride it. Will Movistar wake up??

Does the Hill TT favour the rouleurs or the mountain goats? I was thinking about Forclaz being where Quintana would move, but maybe he will try to trim Froome's lead where there is NO team support for a 15km hill effort.
Kind of makes sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing - Wait for years for a col de Forclaz and then three come along at the same time!

As an aside, Mrs SR was Strava Queen on the Quiege variant during her final Marmotte campaign.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today it is 'rest day' on the justcycling forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:
Today it is 'rest day' on the justcycling forum.
Smile


need it, tired after the last 2 days Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q & A with Sean Yates more or less sums up what we were talking about with that oh-so-important battle for fifth place Rolling Eyes

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CN: Are most of the guys in the top 10 happy with what they’ve got?

Yates: Adam Yates is obviously a young guy – he’s going to follow for as long as he can. With Mollema it’s similar because he’s never been in this situation before.  If you try something reckless on stage 17 or 18 then you might pay on stage 20. In my opinion they’d be better waiting until stage 20 and the climb of the [Col de] Joux Plane. Ok, then it’s downhill to the finish and the last stage, but if you try anything before that it’s compromising your position. One day a big effort, and the next day you pay. If you go for it on stage 19 to Mont Blanc, on stage 20 you potentially lose everything on the Joux Plane – if you can’t keep the pace set by Woet Poels, for example. You can lose a minute and a half and slip from second to fifth.


Safety first Sean, eh?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...e-france-sewn-up-says-sean-yates/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boring .....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cav has officially climbed off and I can't say that I'm surprised.
Final training session in Manchester today.
Gathering in Newport for the final tune up, tomorrow evening.
Hoping to see Becky in the morning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Sagan has won Green? Nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
So Sagan has won Green? Nice.


Interesting that someone can totally dominate a jersey competition for 5 years without it being labelled as a boring, foregone conclusion.

Heat is going to play a major part, today.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
So Sagan has won Green? Nice.


Interesting that someone can totally dominate a jersey competition for 5 years without it being labelled as a boring, foregone conclusion.

Foregone conclusion - possibly, boring - I don't think so.

Not only because Sagan makes it interesting in the way he goes about it, and his apparent lack of fear of failing, but the nature of awarding points each stage gives it a different flavour.

The GC is effectively decided on a few days, and unlike GC where if you make an effort and fail, it doesn't scupper your subsequent chances.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:

Heat is going to play a major part, today.



It was about 33 degrees here yesterday.
Might be wrong but I don't ever recall cycling in that temperature before, the feeling of such a warm breeze.
Or maybe I just feel it now I'm older.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:

Heat is going to play a major part, today.



It was about 33 degrees here yesterday.
Might be wrong but I don't ever recall cycling in that temperature before, the feeling of such a warm breeze.
Or maybe I just feel it now I'm older.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An early crash has caused Gorka Izaguirre to abandon.
Movistar also had Erviti down in the same crash.
The omens are not good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had read it that the boring comments were directed at other teams and a willingness to cash in their chips for what the had. Froomme actually got kudos for racing and grabbing seconds where he could?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:
I had read it that the boring comments were directed at other teams and a willingness to cash in their chips for what the had. Froomme actually got kudos for racing and grabbing seconds where he could?

I think I slightly misread what Huw was saying, but not in that way.
i.e. not as a sleight against Sagan/Green, but contrasting with how dominant teams, current and past, have controlled the GC comp.

So I was unnecessarily defending Sagan, while trying to find a difference between that comp and the yellow.

I'm sure he'll be along soon Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biosphere wrote:
I had read it that the boring comments were directed at other teams and a willingness to cash in their chips for what the had. Froomme actually got kudos for racing and grabbing seconds where he could?


Froome is in that fortunate position, as is Nibali, and Contador before them, of being financially comfortable (I assume so at any rate) so he can race to win, not to get paid.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost 52kms covered in the first hour, into a slight headwind and over a 3rd cat. Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazda wrote:

I think I slightly misread what Huw was saying, but not in that way.
i.e. not as a sleight against Sagan/Green, but contrasting with how dominant teams, current and past, have controlled the GC comp.


I'm sure he'll be along soon Smile


Got it at the 2nd attempt. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The base of the first "climb" is where we stay in the Alps. Zweisimmen. I cycle around there often. The Rhone valley stretch before the final pair of climbs can be a literal wind tunnel depending on the day. I don't expect surprises but equally I wouldn't be surprised if there are.

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