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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Slight update: was in the LBS today for a quick fix on a buckled wheel... and randomly started talking to the owner... looks like they'd be interested in making a custom build from their catalog - carbon frames + components that meet my price/conditions. Slightly chuffed actually - as we got to this point via his staff "googling" my 2013 stats on Strava, and then we got talking about my 2014 racing plans.

Guy was convinced he can build a better proper "racer" for 2000 EUR than what i can find online or via some direct dealer like Canyon. I took that to read as - don't bother checking the prices on the bikes in my shop... we'll throw together something and work out a price kind-of-chat....

The positive side to all that - - the LBS is the Slovak dealer for Bianchi Smile
I asked him to send me more details on the specs via email Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool Boogie, any chance they might sponsor you a bit further down the road?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Slightly chuffed actually - as we got to this point via his staff "googling" my 2013 stats on Strava, and then we got talking about my 2014 racing plans.


Nice work! You might get more than one bike, as your Strava stats suggest that you are actually a whole team.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnD wrote:
That's cool Boogie, any chance they might sponsor you a bit further down the road?


Not sure on that part.. but the biggest disadvantage for buying a bike from Canyon/China was that it wouldn't be supported locally. This certainly peaked my interest... probably a better investment in long term.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

next Q....

Bianchi Matt Black


or

Bianchi Celeste with Black seat stays.



Offer came in from the LBS dealing in Bianchi's... i can get a Sempre Pro frame, with Ultegra (yes i know i'm sorry - i asked them about Campy and they argued back with 'shimano/bianchi works for Belkin' and i was sold!)...
and other various basic finish kit for under my 2000 EUR budget. full bike build would equal 7.5kg.
quite happy about that, as the RRP for the bianchi in the pics is a 2750 EUR. I've got a 27-28% discount, as a "friend" of the LBS.
Cockpit, seatpost and crankset are all FSA - a sub-brand of Campy, but one i'm familiar with on my current bike... so no problems there with waiting a while to invest in shaving grams from these areas to seek performance.

The obvious exception, are the wheels... where i pushed for lighter set. For another 200 EUR we agreed to build the bike with Fulcrum Racing 3's instead of 7's. I would race on these in the summer, then use 2015 budget to buy some real racing wheels, and use those as training wheels.

Slightly less bang for my buck, comparing what i could get for same money from Canyon, but actually more sensible in the long-term, with service, warranty and in general! unconditional support!! from the LBS. It also includes a chance to join their team... helping me to complete a 2014 objective, without even trying.

I see the Sempre Pro (2013 model), as a frame with huge potential. Basically i can spend next couple of seasons building up the finishing kit on it... as and when i improve in the local racing scene.

Only issue now is what color... !!

Asked a few friends, but with mixed views. One former racer was adamant i keep it traditional with the celeste... my current training buddies believe the matt black offers the best "color coordinated" potential for upgrades (i.e. not limiting me to buy stuff in random pastel green color).

Future team kit = Red & Black...
Current riding/racing kit = Rabobank of course Smile
2014 planned racing kit (when not representing team) = Lotto Red (i couldn't help myself) Smile

I would like to try to avoid being an eye sore on the bike... so currently learning towards the matt black... but then again... with those celeste finished FFWD wheels from the Vansoleil team issue... mnam Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They both look gorgeous Boogie.  My take on the colour would be the celeste would quickly look dirty in Winter & the bar-tape would prob need replacing much quicker than the black.

Celeste for Summer, Black for year-round is how i look at it i guess.  I do love the Celeste tho! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the 2D pic does them justice, but from around the web i have to agree, the Sempre Pro 2013 looks a wonderful bike (and more affordable than older brother Oltre).

Geometry looks aggressive, and based on what i want to do with this bike... i'm excited Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's got to be Celeste.

Ignore what Bart may say - Ultegra on an Italian bike works superbly. The only problems I've had with my Wilier have been with the Italian FSA bottom bracket and crankset.

Fulcrum 3s should serve you well. We've got 5s and 6s as winter wheels and they appear to be indestructible. The 3s are very light for the money. Apparently Fulcrums are just Campag wheels rebadged and Shimano/SRAM compatible.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what was wrong with the BB/cranks SR?

(other than your bad sense of positioning for photographs! Razz)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
what was wrong with the BB/cranks SR?

(other than your bad sense of positioning for photographs! Razz)


The BBs kept needing replacement (3 in 18 months) and then the spindle broke. Because of the design of the spindle - part of the chainrings - this necessitated a further BB and a new crankset, so I ditched the FSA and got a Shimano jobbie. Admittedly, any BB/crankset of mine has to withstand a lot of power(!) but the attrition rate on FSA was unacceptable.

It was on the pricey side vs FSA, but is lighter, stiffer and so far hasn't broken. It doesn't look as nice as the FSA custom Wilier number, it must be admitted.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SR - Of course Shimano works well on an italian frame ... its just that Campag would work better!!!  Wink Oh and don't blame the BB - even your power isn't enough to break a properly fitted steel BB.  You need to have a word with your mechanic!!  Didn't you loose a crank recently too??

BF - Celeste of course!  A black Bianchi is a bit like a green Ferrari.  Criminal! Smile  Seriously, both look great - you can't go wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
SR - Of course Shimano works well on an italian frame ... its just that Campag would work better!!!  Wink Oh and don't blame the BB - even your power isn't enough to break a properly fitted steel BB.  You need to have a word with your mechanic!!  Didn't you loose a crank recently too??


On a serious note, the LBS that I now use reckons that the metal in the spindle failed due to a fault in the metal when it was cast, something they'd never seen before. (They'd no reason to say otherwise, as they'd not done any of the previous BB work.) Thus there was "play" in the system that was causing the BBs to fail, rather than the power being laid down, vast though I like to think this is... The new Shimano one has had to deal with my racing efforts and appears to be more than man enough for the job!

The crank that fell off had been fitted to my winter bike by my previous LBS, who have been consigned to the dustbin of history. We are on "Mates' Rates" at the current LBS, and most importantly, always get the best mechanic assigned to our jobs!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Mates Rates" For the win!

otherwise i would have already ordered my Canyon by now. the idea of riding an italian steed has captured my romatic side though.. and the Bianchi is definitely first choice.

It's this one btw.. but instead Veloce, Ultegra stuffs...
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gal...sempre-pro-veloce-review-36247/2/
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely bike Boogie. Fantastic price too Smile

The romantic in me would pick Celeste, but I see your point about the black and white neutral base and it looks pretty good to be honest.

The anal army commander in me thinks a group set should be exactly that and there shouldn't be gatecrashers to the group, but I've always liked the look of the FSA cranks, so the romantic in me lets you off with it Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i found a new pic of what the matt black would look like when finished:



it would probably fit my team colours/overal "look" better than the celeste... but i have to say, that just on bike vs. bike, the celeste looks much more interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with a black Bianchi is that it is just another black bike. A celeste Bianchi, though, is a obviously a Bianchi. If you're going for just another black bike then there are probably cheaper options giving the same functionality, even at the Mates' Rates you've been offered.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was my money I'd go for the celeste. It's lovely. And you'll go so much faster if you get a little buzz every time you look down.  Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costante, Fausto, Felice, Gianni, Moreno and Marco all say Celeste! Smile

Bartali says black or white bar tape please ... not red!! Wink
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Bartali wrote:
Bartali says black or white bar tape please ... not red!! Wink


Good to see that the Velomati's take on bars has been authenticated by Bartali:

Rule 8 - Saddles, bars, and tires shall be carefully matched

Valid options are:

   Match the saddle to the bars and the tires to black; or

   Match the bars to the color of the frame at the top of the head tube and the saddle to the color of the frame at the top of the seat tube and the tires to the color where they come closest to the frame; or
   
   Match the saddle and the bars to the frame decals; or

   Black, black, black
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm 90% leaning towards Celeste, based on MrsSR comments about looking down and getting a second wind

Smile

Thank you!


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