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Should Scotland be an independent country?
yes
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no
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don't know
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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We have moved over to coins a long time ago.

One and two euro coins also.


When I visited Scotland in the late 90's, one bank was still printing them. The other one didn't.

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Found out that RBS still prints them to this day... (link)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is funny is that scottish people are more pro europe than the rest of the uk but if they left the uk, they would also be leaving the eu while the less supportive of the eu, remainder of the uk would remain in the eu.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what is funny is that scottish people are more pro europe than the rest of the uk but if they left the uk, they would also be leaving the eu while the less supportive of the eu, remainder of the uk would remain in the eu.


Oh no we're not.... why would any sensible person want to leave the rabble of shysters in Westminster to join up with a bigger bunch in Europe.

This is where Salmond has misjudged the Scots, we don't want to be part of Europe, we don't want what limited resources we might have as a starting point to be spent bailing other Euro states out of their mess only to put us in the same position.

Independence is a bad idea, Independence within the EU is just fecking stupidity
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Nolte wrote:
what is funny is that scottish people are more pro europe than the rest of the uk but if they left the uk, they would also be leaving the eu while the less supportive of the eu, remainder of the uk would remain in the eu.


Oh no we're not.... why would any sensible person want to leave the rabble of shysters in Westminster to join up with a bigger bunch in Europe.

This is where Salmond has misjudged the Scots, we don't want to be part of Europe, we don't want what limited resources we might have as a starting point to be spent bailing other Euro states out of their mess only to put us in the same position.


Was looking for some data, actual opinion polls on whether Scots do or don't want to be in this or that Union.  I think there must be lots of polls, but I found one which seemed to say more Scots want to be in Europe than not.  We won't know until there is a vote, and even then lots of people won't vote.  

I figure Scots should be allowed to be in the UK Union, or the EU Union or both or neither.  One finds out by asking them.  No doubt a few people would leave or come back to Scotland as a result of the specific policy adopted, but I figure most Scottish people like living in their own country.  Everyone should live in their own country, unless they don't like it, and then they should move somewhere else or stay and moan about it or try to actively change it.   Personally, I have moved countries more than once, but I always criticise both my old coutnry and the new one and also try to change them.  I would almost never move just becasue one policy or another was not to my liking.  I could never live anywhere, if I moved countries every time an important policy went against me.  I don't like Capitalism, Environmental Destruction and Patriarchy, for example.  Where could I live?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles...-eu-membership-european-union.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone should live in their own country, unless they don't like it, and then they should move somewhere else or stay and moan about it or try to actively change it.
 I think you've covered all the bases there FF!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Everyone should live in their own country, unless they don't like it, and then they should move somewhere else or stay and moan about it or try to actively change it.
 I think you've covered all the bases there FF!


Although there are many people in every country who get pissed off with people who are natives or not, when they criticise a place.  "Love it or leave it" is a kind of default attitude.  

Moaning and doing nothing about it is generally accepted.  Brits are always moaning, but the French think they moan exceptionally.  I expect moaning is pretty universal.  

Now doing something about it is a little bit tricky, both in figuring out what to do and then also in actually doing it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fontfroide wrote:
I expect moaning is pretty universal.  


Yep, I've noticed that everywhere I've traveled, and/or lived.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slapshot 3 wrote:

Oh no we're not.... why would any sensible person want to leave the rabble of shysters in Westminster to join up with a bigger bunch in Europe.

This is where Salmond has misjudged the Scots, we don't want to be part of Europe, we don't want what limited resources we might have as a starting point to be spent bailing other Euro states out of their mess only to put us in the same position.

Independence is a bad idea, Independence within the EU is just fecking stupidity

I will drink to that. (and I've had a few in Scotstoun & Clydebank)
Christ, without you we wouldn't be GREAT BRITAIN.   Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Christ, without you we wouldn't be GREAT BRITAIN.   Rolling Eyes


It would make things a lot more simple and less ambiguous and easier to learn for nearly everyone on earth if there were just England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.  One name for each place instead of Great Britain, United Kingdom, England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, and all the other places that few people can understand, except people that score high on exams about British government.  Who gets to be in the UN, who gets a separate football team in the World Cup, who gets to have an army, who gets to have a passport.  Just keep it simple.  What is a proper nation-state anyway?

I still remember coming the the UK in 1970 and asking a few people, thinking they would all know.  They didn't.  A bit like asking French people what all the religious holidays mean, and they don't know either.  

Still it is kind of cute as people in the United Kingdom have to wrestle a bit with their identity, loyalty, historical and financial questions.  Fun to watch.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting debate. I have always been in favour of Scottish independence (since before the oil) and feel that I have more in common with the Irish and Bretons than those in the South East of England.

Many of us in Scotland, perhaps not including Slapshot, feel that the policies adopted by successive UK Governments have not been in the best interests of Scotland or possibly Northern England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

Alex Salmond may not be everyone's cup of tea but he is generally acknowledged as being head and shoulders above most other politicians in Scotland.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friday.

http://dotsub.com/view/6c5d7514-5656-476a-9504-07dd4e2f6509
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another along the same lines, although you may need to understand Scots to fully appreciate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2DVuRMY6s
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Friday.

http://dotsub.com/view/6c5d7514-5656-476a-9504-07dd4e2f6509


That was so funny, I laughed out loud, several times.  Thanks.  Very much.  Even posted it on FB.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Occasionalsweeper wrote:
Another along the same lines, although you may need to understand Scots to fully appreciate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2DVuRMY6s


I remember doing a favour for pal of mine, fluent English speaker, writes articles in English.  But he knew that he would be ringing and get an Indian sub-coninent based call centre.  He was doing it on a slow connection, and he knew that the combinationof accents and connections woud make it impossible for him to understandand be understood.  I barely managed.

But I have to admit a fondness for a fairly light Edinburgh Scottish accent.  And although I might have mentioned this before, if something is said in a gentile Scottish accent I believe it more than many others, for example a posh Southern English one.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fontfroide wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Friday.

http://dotsub.com/view/6c5d7514-5656-476a-9504-07dd4e2f6509


That was so funny, I laughed out loud, several times.  Thanks.  Very much.  Even posted it on FB.


Me too! Smile Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Who do I have to notify?


I think this tells you all that you need to know!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport_to_Pimlico

Very Happy  Very Happy I'm one of the children in that film.

I'll get my coat.

Just lay an oil pipe line to south of Berwick. ?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polls are now at 50-50 (or 40-40 with the rest "undecided") and Westminster starting to panic, even bringing Gordon Brown back to "save the day"...
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Polls are now at 50-50 (or 40-40 with the rest "undecided") and Westminster starting to panic, even bringing Gordon Brown back to "save the day"...


That should swing it to the Yes camp along with the news that David Cameron is also going to start campaigning.

It will be interesting to see what happens. It will be very close.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the "Yes" vote wins - say 52-48 - does that mean that they will split ?
That would show there is a very narrow majority, rather than a massive mandate to go ahead.

But would be interesting to see what happens.
Would England seek to destabilize some areas within Scotland to try and get them back ?

Is there a strong difference in opinion between the different areas of Scotland ?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is 50%+1

The ironic thing is that for the Tories politically although they are the most pro-Union they are the ones who stand to benefit from Scottish independence because it guarantees Tory hegemony for the next 1000 years.

There are differences in different areas.

Every centre has a periphery and every periphery has a centre. So while Scotland is the periphery to London, the Highlands are the periphery to Edinburgh etc

I tend to suspect it will be more like the Velvet Divorce in Czechoslovakia than Yugoslavia.

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