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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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took it back by 9 seconds in the end Smile


You got any photos of your climb?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

click the link Smile for a virtual image - i can go and get photo's if you want, but it's not as open or smooth tarmac as your monster Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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click the link Smile for a virtual image - i can go and get photo's if you want, but it's not as open or smooth tarmac as your monster Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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click the link Smile for a virtual image - i can go and get photo's if you want, but it's not as open or smooth tarmac as your monster Smile


Your link doesn't work for me...Just a white page with a few lines of text at the top...no images or links to images.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm weird i get a severe 500m 15% ramp Smile

on google maps enter Sulekova, Bratislava and there is a panorama photo taken from the corner about half way up. I'd put a link to that - but i dont see where i can link from google maps.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a new challenge here in Salt Lake...Not as steep as the beast at 13 n 13, but this climb is about  2km of 15% hell. From the north side of downtown to the foothills overlooking the city. It's known as the "avenues" here in Salt lake and I'm thinking it would make a great finale for a stage in the Tour of Utah.

With little or no traffic, I found myself zig-zagging up the last 1km.... to keep from totally blowing a gasket. Nothing to be proud of, but that's my current reality.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good work Scott!!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm left to wonder how much easier it would all be on a road bike....????
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm left to wonder how much easier it would all be on a road bike....????


My guess is not much. I think you're dominated by weight and you're going to change the weight that needs to get up the hill by about 3 to 4 percent. Suspect you're not going fast enough to get huge benefit from road bike, but rolling resistance improvements might be worth a few more percent. Taken together at the pointy end of GT racing those kind of gains are massive, but for the lone rider keeping fit, 5-6% easier might be classed more as a marginal gain Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm left to wonder how much easier it would all be on a road bike....????


My guess is not much. I think you're dominated by weight and you're going to change the weight that needs to get up the hill by about 3 to 4 percent. Suspect you're not going fast enough to get huge benefit from road bike, but rolling resistance improvements might be worth a few more percent. Taken together at the pointy end of GT racing those kind of gains are massive, but for the lone rider keeping fit, 5-6% easier might be classed more as a marginal gain Smile


Thanks!  Can always count on an analytical and detailed assessment....I guess I'll just keep plodding along....I'm not even ready to start thinking about blood doping yet... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Road bike - If you're over 90kg trying to "power" up the climb like you do on a mountain bike is gonna lead to catastrophic fail of the bike at some point. Drop weight a bit more, and then enjoy the road bike!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SM - it's important to be aware of the (only Wink) fun bit of climbing - the descent!  In that aspect, a road bike is far superior and safer,  as I would suggest that descending at speed in an upright position on a hybrid can be quite dangerous.  An entry level CX bike or decent aluminium frame road bike will take the weight, would be much safer descending and should brighten up the climb a bit when you go wheee down the other side.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerry.. I have it from a rather dubious authority that
SM is known to plan ahead since being so very very
fatigued at the top that he typically has a taxi waiting
for a ride back to his car at the foot of the hill Wink  Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gerry.. I have it from a rather dubious authority that
SM is known to plan ahead since being so very very
fatigued at the top that he typically has a taxi waiting
for a ride back to his car at the foot of the hill Wink  Laughing


No, that's all wrong. The taxi is used to get him up the hill, then he descends it. Wink Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that might explain all those popped spokes Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave him alone ... he's doing a great job!  He'll be sprinting up those climbs soon enough ... just needs the right preparation ....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm but looks like SM isn't ready to start "preparing" properly:

"I'm not even ready to start thinking about blood doping yet..."

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerry12ie wrote:
SM - it's important to be aware of the (only Wink) fun bit of climbing - the descent!  In that aspect, a road bike is far superior and safer,  as I would suggest that descending at speed in an upright position on a hybrid can be quite dangerous.  An entry level CX bike or decent aluminium frame road bike will take the weight, would be much safer descending and should brighten up the climb a bit when you go wheee down the other side.


I hadn't considered the descent aspect. I've given it a bit of thought since, but not enough thought to do a bit of research. I thought hybrids had very similar geometry to mountain bikes and the differences were in gearing and wheels which were closer to road bikes. Hence the hybrid name. I may well be wrong and if I am then everything else that follows is also.

Mountain bikes are definitely made for going down hill. Steep ones too. I live on a hill with hairpins and I descend every morning to train station on mountain bike without feeling like I'm missing something compared to road bike. I've put slick tires on it as I don't go off road, so that nudges it  a little towards hybrid. It's a deliberately a crap bike which is basically my main anti theft device, and I still feel it handles fine for what I use it for. Yes, the front end understeers compared to road bike, but not by much.

The different geometry of a road bike also means the weight is more forward and over the front wheel. That might might not feel so good for all people especially if there is a lot of weight involved. It takes getting used to.

Ultimately though I'd recommend getting a  road bike too. Wonder if I'd wait until target weight had been achieved and a few test rides could then be made and the bike would feel like it would long term before picking one . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Leave him alone ... he's doing a great job!  He'll be sprinting up those climbs soon enough ... just needs the right preparation ....



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the toughest climbs in Utah is called "Little Cottonwood" which was used for Stage 5 of the Tour of Utah this year.  This photo was taken about 10 days ago near the top of that climb.  Just another reason why I'm loving Utah!


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