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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony Martin 12" on Yawnstrong at the split!
French tv prefer to show LA warming down than Leipwhiner on the course. Embarassed


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right, we've got that over and done with now.  He's not going to win this TT or the Tour.  Now can we watch the race in peace!
 

He could win the Tour.  Are the roads damp does anyone know?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Armstrong 20:12  48kmh


So what our Charlie (not a TT man) finished only 27 secs behind.

Tony Martin fastest to the top.
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not that simple kathy. of course hes not, but hell be within a minute which is close enough to keep the media hoping.
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Contador should be about a minute - minute and a half up on Armstrong's time at the finish, no?

And Frankie Andreu was interviewing Armstrong before the start. What am I missing?


Yeah.  Think that was a tense moment?  Laughing
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Lampy!
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Dandy Dave takes off!  That is one UGLY skinsuit!
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I'm anxious to see what Menchov does.
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I'm anxious to see what Menchov does.


Me, too.  I really want Denis to win.
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and for now.. LL is the team leader of Astana.. Rolling Eyes
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LAmphanger 20:02
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i think its safe to say that denis menchov will not win this prologue. what will be interesting is his (and all the other gc contenders) time at the top of the climb. I think thats what matters in terms of gauging their form.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LL's time is a good benchmark for the GC contenders.

If it rains, any effort that breaks 20 will be pretty special. You can't win a race over a 15km TT, but can lose it many, many times over.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i think its safe to say that denis menchov will not win this prologue. what will be interesting is his (and all the other gc contenders) time at the top of the climb. I think thats what matters in terms of gauging their form.


IO don't think that's safe to assume. It's asking a lot for him to come in and win the prologue, much the less the Tour, but his TT form was top-notch in the Giro. I'm interested in how he finishes compared to those who contested the Giro, like Leipheimer.
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MS, the reason i say that is that hes an absolutely terrible descender and cornerer. No way he can beat someone who chucks themselves down the technical downhill second half.

I think he could well win the tour (if he avoids his usual first week idiocy, and survives the descents) but i dont think he can win this prologue.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt whether people like Menchov and Sastre will have any interest in winning this TT - they will just not want to give too much time away.  Contador, on the other hand, probably thinks he has a point to prove.
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i think its safe to say that denis menchov will not win this prologue. what will be interesting is his (and all the other gc contenders) time at the top of the climb. I think thats what matters in terms of gauging their form.


IO don't think that's safe to assume. It's asking a lot for him to come in and win the prologue, much the less the Tour, but his TT form was top-notch in the Giro. I'm interested in how he finishes compared to those who contested the Giro, like Leipheimer.

I think the first worry Denis has, will he get caught by Cancellara
Sorry but I've just seen the 2 minutes.
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i think contador and evans need to take time here, so they will go for it.

on the evidence of the last year and a half contadors main strength is now his timetrialling and not his climbing. he needs to take time here on sastre and andy schleck, and i think denis "loctite" menchov. and yes, he certainly has a point to prove.

on the other hand, the leadership question will be over if contador falls..
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Did anyone FP a rider other than Cancellar today?
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i think its safe to say that denis menchov will not win this prologue. what will be interesting is his (and all the other gc contenders) time at the top of the climb. I think thats what matters in terms of gauging their form.


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