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CapeRoadie
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| Biosphere wrote: | | CapeRoadie wrote: | | Just remove it, and I'll remove my comments as well. Deal? |
Feel free to call me what you like. You'll still think it whether you remove the post or not  |
Well, that was a dickhead move.
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CapeRoadie
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| Mrs John Murphy wrote: | | What is perhaps most worrying is McQuaid's attacks on Kohl's personality because he is blowing the whistle. It seems that McQuaid is becoming a staunch defender of Omerta. |
Becoming? I'd say making it public or obvious to anyone paying attention.
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Mysterion
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Here's the latest news from Kazakhstan:
The state of the Pro Tour license will still be decided on June 11th. The Kazakhs have paid 3 million euros but 8 million euros are still owed. A US company that does business in Kazakhstan may step in as a sponsor. That new sponsor has nothing to do with Armstrong's efforts to find new sponsorship.
http://translate.google.com/trans...&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
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Mrs John Murphy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Mysterion wrote: | | A US company that does business in Kazakhstan may step in as a sponsor. |
CIA -Black Prisons - Electrodes to the Genitals Inc? |
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ventoux
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| Quote: | Bruyneel told French sports daily L'Equipe that Contador is the best Grand Tour rider, "which leaves no doubt about his leadership during the next Tour de France. The goal is to win. There is talk of a duel between [Lance] Armstrong and Contador, but what there is is a duel between ourselves and others," said Bruyneel, who also confirmed, "Armstrong is not the team's second rider. With what we saw in the Giro, that [role] is for Levi [Leipheimer]."
The Astana director added that Contador's main rivals for the Tour de France - including teammates Leipheimer, Armstrong and Andreas Klöden, plus Denis Menchov, Carlos Sastre, Andy Schleck and Cadel Evans - were "a step below" the level of the Spaniard.
Bruyneel also spoke of the possibility that Contador had been approached by Caisse d'Epargne about a move to the Spanish squad next season. "I spoke with Alberto during the Giro and [he] told me there was nothing about the rumour that he met with the Caisse d'Epargne [team]. Trust us," said Bruyneel |
"Trust us....? Trust us..." - who the hell does he think he's kidding?? 
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bianchigirl
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Why is it when Bruyneel says something like that you immediately think the opposite?
I have to say, if I was a sponsor I'd be looking at a good value team of up and comers not a bunch of has beens and never really weres must of whom are headed for retirement in a year or so
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inputjoe
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[quote="ventoux"] | Quote: | | Bruyneel told French sports daily L'Equipe that Contador is the best Grand Tour rider, "which leaves no doubt about his leadership during the next Tour de France. The goal is to win. There is talk of a duel between [Lance] Armstrong and Contador, but what there is is a duel between ourselves and others," said Bruyneel, who also confirmed, "Armstrong is not the team's second rider. With what we saw in the Giro, that [role] is for Levi [Leipheimer]. |
Bruyneel deception, there is no leader for the Tour. It's going to be every man for himself. If Contador falls off the pace at some point Armstrong, Leipheimer and Kloden won't be towing. Armstrong has done enough of that already this year. If he feels he can ride at the front that's where he'll be, Leipheimer and Kloden too. |
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Element12
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Bruyneel is the mobius strip of untruth. There is no beginning and there is no end.
Bruy: "Armstrong is not the team's second rider."
Translation: "Armstrong is the team's first rider."
Spanish Translation: "AC you're screwed. Pretend you're on your own team."
Advice for Contador:
1) If Bruyneel starts talking look to see if Armstrong's lips are moving.
2) The only person in the world who understands the position you're in is Greg LeMond. Seek out his advice. Do not be seen.
3) Get drinks only from the neutral car. Immediately give all bottles of water Lance hands you to Levi. He obviously needs the steroids.
4) Pretend the Shleck brothers are you leadout men in the mountains. |
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HuwB
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I find it amazing that, as it stands, Kloden gets to ride the Tour.
All the evidence that he was blood doping with the rest of them, for the 2006 Tour, at T Mobile.
Two of his Astana team mates done for blood doping at the 2007 Tour.
Not a peep out of Prudhomme. |
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bianchigirl
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Bruyneel must think we're all idiotic tossers. What was one of the secrets of USDiscatana's success all those years? The fact that there was always 1 clear team leader and that was who the team rode for - not for personal glory, not for stage wins but for the GC. Yet now, absolutely counter intuitively - and after it worked like a thing that couldn't work more badly if it tried at the Giro - he's asking all to swallow the fact that Contador is the leader and Leipheimer's another leader and Armstrong might be another leader and then Kloeden is a threat for the GC?
Perhaps Bruyneel should start writing for Corrie and leave the sport alone?
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Element 12
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bianchigirl wrote: | | Bruyneel must think we're all idiotic tossers. |
Presumably to prove that sometimes he does speak the truth. |
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Bartali
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome Element 12.
"Bruyneel is the mobius strip of untruth"
Great first post! |
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Biosphere
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bartali wrote: | Welcome Element 12.
"Bruyneel is the mobius strip of untruth"
Great first post! |
They're not the same poster. Check the memberlist. Is it the same person or someone wanting to wind certain people up? |
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Bartali
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| So it is ... how strange - maybe a mistake? Anyway, great first post Element12. |
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Biosphere
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| HuwB wrote: | I find it amazing that, as it stands, Kloden gets to ride the Tour.
All the evidence that he was blood doping with the rest of them, for the 2006 Tour, at T Mobile.
Two of his Astana team mates done for blood doping at the 2007 Tour.
Not a peep out of Prudhomme. |
If this is true it's outrageous. I can understand that some people wouldn't like to see Boonen ride (I'd be happy to see him there), but it's a "social" problem and isn't really a sporting issue. Is Prudhomme going to start banning riders cos he doesn't like their politics, or maybe a rider who cheats on his wife will be banned on moral grounds?
Given Prudhomme's comments at the presentation of the first post Armstrong Tour, the only plausible explanation I can find for Astana's free ride is a willingness to sell his soul as well as the bumper yield of TV rights in a credit crunch year. They've fought to keep the UCI's hands off the revenue stream and and having done so margins now need to be preserved in a downturn. |
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SlowRower
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| bianchigirl wrote: | | What was one of the secrets of USDiscatana's success all those years? The fact that there was always 1 clear team leader and that was who the team rode for - not for personal glory, not for stage wins but for the GC. |
It wasn't really a secret though, was it? It was just a tactic that others were largely unable or unwilling to implement.
I suspect JB's pronouncements re the Astana TDF leadership hierarchy is just to confuse external parties. I guess the key internal Astana parties know what's planned for the TDF. (Whether they stick to the plan is another matter, though!)
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Boogerd_Fan
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Not to worry, when they finally run out of luck and get caught, they could always turn their attention to winning the GC in the Penal TDF: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8082354.stm
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Element12
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Interesting article BF.
When I say interesting I actually mean whacked.
| Quote: | Prison official Sylvie Marion said the project aims to help the prisoners "reintegrate into society by fostering values like effort, teamwork and self-esteem".
"We want to show them that with some training, you can achieve your goals and start a new life," Reuters quoted her as saying. |
Some people's biggest dream in life is to go on a cross-European bike tour. They're working hard and saving when in fact they should be breaking and entering. Preferably at Sylvie Marion's house. |
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CapeRoadie
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| bianchigirl wrote: | Bruyneel must think we're all idiotic tossers. What was one of the secrets of USDiscatana's success all those years? The fact that there was always 1 clear team leader and that was who the team rode for - not for personal glory, not for stage wins but for the GC. Yet now, absolutely counter intuitively - and after it worked like a thing that couldn't work more badly if it tried at the Giro - he's asking all to swallow the fact that Contador is the leader and Leipheimer's another leader and Armstrong might be another leader and then Kloeden is a threat for the GC?
Perhaps Bruyneel should start writing for Corrie and leave the sport alone? |
Yeah, but why would Bruyneel openly and truthfully discuss strategy with the public? It's all head games. Look at Sir Alex' headgames last season with Mourinho. Do you really think he's going to show his cards? Kind of a silly expectation.
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HuwB
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Well, Astana have included Kloden in the Tour squad, having first studied the German Investigation document into Freiburg.
Their conclusion?
"We have studied the commission report," Astana spokesman Philippe Maertens told German news agency dpa. "It does not include any proof against Klöden. Only on one of 64 pages include statements from Patrik Sinkewitz against Klöden. But he has assured us that he has nothing to do with it. For us, as well as for the Tour organisers, there are no arguments against him participating in the Tour."
Odd that, considering:-
"In his study at the clinic on July 2, 2006, professor Schmidt re-injected three riders - Sinkewitz, Kessler and Klöden - with their own blood," the report said.
So, once again, Bruyneel shows how he is really committed to anti-doping, by sticking two fingers up to the Germans.
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