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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:08 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Fecking Barnes.........


Fecking Scotland. Wink Laughing

Have to say, that these final 6N triple headers don't always deliver, but today was truly special, even by special standards.

Wales will rue their final two minutes (though well done our hat trick boy) and England will probably rue the video ref. (But the French goal kicking.....)
But Ireland will probably rue mass headaches in the morning! 
Well deserved.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonkers.  An insane day of ups and downs.  I suppose the smartest team with the smartest coach just about deserved to shade it but (and I never thought I would say this) England played the best rugby throughout.  The last couple of hours was Harlem Globetrotters stuff though, and was ridiculous from start to finish.  

I am getting dog's abuse from my mates for backing England to be champs at halftime (7/4), on the hour (7/2), and again at 7/1 just before Nowell's try!  All in a day's sport I would say, but you would swear I was Brutus or Benedict Arnold...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like last week, that was draining enough despite being plonked on the sofa. Even with 30s to go it felt inevitable that England would do what they needed to, and when France started to run their final penalty I couldn't believe it. Quite a stunning day of rugby, but even so I probably fall into the boring camp that says in the interests of fairness they should be played at the same time.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cooler heads would say Wales lost it by not having an answer to England's 2nd half performance in the first match of the championship. To lead 16-0 and lose it was a bitter blow.

No team truly dominated. A few teams had patches of excellence. If any of these teams want to have a good WC they will need to become a lot more consistent.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Ireland can ultimately thanks Wales.
Without Wales setting such a large target Ireland wouldn't have beaten Scotland by so many.

It was funny with all the pundits saying England had to score steadily and not panic.

Hopefully coaches can take this series of games on board and make rugby more about skill and flair than percentages and territory.

But ultimately I'm with Bio.
Undoubtedly the scheduling heightened the drama and suspense and produced amazing entertainment at times, but at the expense of sporting integrity.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the attritional percentages approach is here for the foreseeable.

Simultaneous kick-offs will never happen for TV reasons, so I get to take the lofty ground of saying they should for fairness, whilst enjoying yesterday's points chase immensely Smile

Ireland fell victim to a late Italian try one year (or maybe it was in the World Cup) so I suppose these things even out over the years even if some / all of the players have moved on and it's a newer bunch that get the rub of the green.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had to resurrect this thread.

Wtf? I mean wtf did we just witness, those who were privileged to watch?
So glad Japan went all or nothing.
Unbelievable is a word often misused, but in this instance that was truly unbelievable.

The Japanese and neutrals who watched will still think they were dreaming.
The SAs will think they are stuck in a nightmare, wishing they can wake up.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not my game Huw, but I caught the end.  Terrific for a neutral to witness.  Incredible!!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wales! Very Happy
How did we manage that, coming back as we did with a completely re-shuffled back line?
Our George in the centre, scrum half on wing, Out half as full back and......................Alex "Clueless" Cuthbert.

Lizzie A wins too.
What an evening!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
Wales! Very Happy
How did we manage that, coming back as we did with a completely re-shuffled back line?
Our George in the centre, scrum half on wing, Out half as full back and......................Alex "Clueless" Cuthbert.

Lizzie A wins too.
What an evening!


What an evening indeed Huw..... I passed on the opportunity to go to a concert with Mrs Ventoux, and was home alone watching the rugby on the TV and the cycling on the iPad - didn't know which one to look at half the time! Great race... great game.... phew! Now, another beer....  Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely evening. l Ended up just about right.  Delighted about Armitstead, although I never thought the pack would get it together.  And quite happy to see Wales take it, even though I missed 20 minutes of the second walk watching the W RR.

I shall sleep well tomight.
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Perfect weekend........ Lizzie winning last night, England throwing the game away and the boys in blue winning this afternoon..... fantastic!!
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Oooh, should have been 2-0, I mean 17-3. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure I agree with the bonus point system, not in the World Cup.
It distorts matches, not always in a good way and is somewhat unfavourable to the smaller teams - quelle surprise.

To elaborate - in a larger league structure the bonus points typically come into play between teams of similar stature (whether at the top or bottom).
In a small group scenario like the World Cup, where a smaller team is seeking to follow-up a shock win against a big team, then the bonus points allow a bigger team a chance to eradicate the loss to a small team because they can manipulate games more easily to pick up bonus points.
Smaller teams don't have this ability, ergo as well has having to defeat the bigger teams once on the pitch they also have to somehow beat the points system, hoping that other events and matches also go their way.

This "rigging" to favour stronger teams seems to becoming more endemic in top level sports these days.

Not sure that cycling is in the same boat yet.
Apart from maybe a TTT stage (non Vuelta on the beach variety) does the requirement of a needing a strong team to win a GT confer any extra benefit other than having strong riders ?
You don't have smaller wheels, or have to cycle further if you are in a weaker team.
The only example is maybe the squad sizes in World races handicapping riders from lesser nations and we've just seen how readily overcome that can be.
Perhaps luck has more of an effect in cycling, certainly in a single event.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good game from what I saw, squeaky bum time for England!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Good game from what I saw, squeaky bum time for England!!


Not any longer, it isn't.

I knew that the Aussie pack was no longer "soft", but that was a pretty impressive all round display.

 Judging from today's performance, SA also seem to be on the way up, after hitting rock bottom..

Wales's 2nd xv will now have to face this twin obstacle, which leaves Ireland and/or France to carry the Northern Hemisphere flag into the semis, by my reckoning.
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Just about got to see the Irish match on Sunday. ITV and French channels are encrypted in mountains. German Eurosport came to the rescue but I saw none of the other games.

Nice piece on O'Connell

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/...oconnell-injury-ireland-world-cup

When we were back in Limerick during the summer, we were out for a coffee and cake with my dad and O'Connell's mum was in the cafe treating herself likewise. Me Dad was talking with her and she was telling him how she hadn't seen the match where Ireland won the 6 Nations this year and he's telling her he still had it on the hard disk so he'll burn her a copy. Twas all very Irish. Meanwhile me kids are getting their translations mixed up and asking her if her son is is really the King of Ireland Laughing

All quite surreal - the comment in the article about him never having left Limerick has just reminded me of it Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm told the hamstring tore off the bone, which is probably close to being off the pain scale.  I was sure when it happened in real time I could hear him roar over the television or was I imagining it?

I hope the injury heals fully and allows him a couple of good seasons with Toulon, he deserves it.  

I can't possibly see how this French side can hold any hoodoo over the AB's - they are the most one-dimensional Bleus I can recall...
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gerry12ie wrote:
I'm told the hamstring tore off the bone, which is probably close to being off the pain scale.  I was sure when it happened in real time I could hear him roar over the television or was I imagining it?

I hope the injury heals fully and allows him a couple of good seasons with Toulon, he deserves it.  

I can't possibly see how this French side can hold any hoodoo over the AB's - they are the most one-dimensional Bleus I can recall...


Id go so far as to say they have Michelak and that's it.... and I'm not a fan of Freddy,

Semis are a bit obvious now for me.

Aus v Sco - Aus go through ( especially after the biased crappy citing panel decision) 30 point margin at least
SAF v Wal - SAF go through but I suspect it'll be tight would love Wales to beat the buggers mind
NZ v France - NZ to go through, France will be steamrollered by that pack, have the AB's got out of first gear yet??
ARG v IRE  - Despite the injuries I think Ireland will be too strong and clever for the Argies (Fingers crossed)

So we get SA v NZ and Aus v Ire Semis, both will be cracking games.

Gutted for O'Connell, he deserved to get as far as he could in this tournament, end of an era not having him there. As Gerry says, hope he recovers and has a few good years at Toulon
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Reports in France that Saint Andre has been decanonised

http://www.balls.ie/rugby/reports...rance-phillipe-saint-andre/312699

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