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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to the main Liquigas rider's 2009 programmes. Some obvious races, such as Coppi e Bartali are missing, (one I feel sure Basso will ride, instead of Pais Vasco) but the bones of the season are outlined. Wink
http://www.velo-club.net/article?sid=49625
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disappointed to see Basso missing from LBL.  I think that is a race he could do well in.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bart - I'd be more concerned about Nibs and Kreuziger not riding the Giro. That looks a weak team they are sending Basso with.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Bart - I'd be more concerned about Nibs and Kreuziger not riding the Giro. That looks a weak team they are sending Basso with.


Don't know - Pellizotti should be a good super-gregario after his performance last year.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Bart - I'd be more concerned about Nibs and Kreuziger not riding the Giro. That looks a weak team they are sending Basso with.


Good point!  I hadn't looked across the rows!  I suspect this will change considerably.  Basso on his own for the Vuelta?  Surely he'll have some 'super-dom' to lend a hand?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Disappointed to see Basso missing from LBL.  I think that is a race he could do well in.

3 little letters...ASO.
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Bart - I'd be more concerned about Nibs and Kreuziger not riding the Giro. That looks a weak team they are sending Basso with.

Me too. I remembered your earlier post on this, when I first saw the list.
Kreuziger isn't such a surprise, but Nibali certainly was.
Must be dead keen on that white jersey.....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ... yes.  I had forgotten about that.  I'm sure the schedule will change - but no ASO until next year perhaps.  Did I read somewhere that half of leaky gas are headed to Aus, while Basso and the other half are racing in Argentina.  Think he said January is for training ....

I think Basso is currently training harder than anyone in the peloton.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:

I think Basso is currently training harder than anyone in the peloton.


God I hope not I was hoping he was riding clean this time Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a surprise visit from our Becks. Not going to the World Cup. Needs to be doing 4 full days a week in Manchester, which she isn't.
Learning to drive, instead. Hence the call.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bartali wrote:
Ah ... yes.  I had forgotten about that.  I'm sure the schedule will change - but no ASO until next year perhaps.  Did I read somewhere that half of leaky gas are headed to Aus, while Basso and the other half are racing in Argentina.  Think he said January is for training ....

I think Basso is currently training harder than anyone in the peloton.


the ruta san luis gets a reasonable field
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

News from this part of the world: László Bodrogi, the most sucsessful Hungarian cyclist of all time, and the only one to participate in the TdF, is now racing as a French citizen!

Meanwhile, Péter Kusztor (24 year-old, finished 66th in the Olympic road race) has turned pro with Swiss team Atlas-Romer's Hausbaeckerei and is preparing for his first race in Argentina: http://www.nemzetisport.hu/cikk.php?cikk=216564&

and here's a photo of Kusztor (the guy in the black hat): http://kuszti.gportal.hu/
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La Tropicale Amissa Bongo in Gabon is on. the teams taking part include FDJ, Bouygues, the portuguese Liberty Seguros team and the south african House of Paint team and french 3rd division te\am CC Bourges (includes Janek Tombak, and Erki Putsep).

Included are national teams from Morocco, Gabon, Tunisia, rwanda, cameroun, burkina faso, ivory coasts, libya

the first stage went to Ladagnous (FDJ) ahead of Cardoso (Liberty) and Rolland (Bouygues). Best placed national team member was Morocan  Adil Jelloul in 12, 2 minutes down

Bouygues 1 2 with Sokolov and Tschopp. they were one minute ahead of the 14 person group led home by Cardoso and Ladagnous. In the 14 person group were 5 members of national teams from Africa and 2 Painters from south africa
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alejandro Valverde programme for the early season:

Tour de Haut Vat
Cholet Pays de la Loire
Critétium International
Paris-Camembert
Then Amstel OR LBL
Tour of Cataloniw
Dauphiné
Spanish Championships
The Tour

He still thinks he's good enough to podium at the Tour and this will be his main objective.  He will not be defending his title at the Tour of Murcia Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile in AFRICA,

Francaise des Jeux reigns

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=14005

And here's what's in store this season:

The UCI presents the 2009 World Calendar - Cycling Wars End

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=13949

PEACE then everyone! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who want to follow a famous cyclist racing, early season.
Not exactly flat here, either. 3MTF's!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.p...d/2009/jan09/sanluis09/sanluis091
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
For those who want to follow a famous cyclist racing, early season.
Not exactly flat here, either. 3MTF's!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.p...d/2009/jan09/sanluis09/sanluis091


and think the gt's put 3 mtf's in 3 weeks whiel the ruta san luis has 3 in a week Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Basso has now posted his values online. Now, I don't mean to sound negative, but has somebody been at the FLandis fluid, for the summer months?
I mean, it's not as if he was riding the Giro, Tour and Vuelta, in the gap.



....and of course, the accompanying, compulsory text bite from TUE:-
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stor...ULT&CTIME=2009-01-21-03-15-22

Somehow, I think he's got a way to go, to impress the likes of Walsh, Kimmage and Rendell.......not to mention a few around here!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick couple question from the ignorant Smile but I assume the harder you work the lower your heamocrit goes?

If so how much would it decrease throughout a 3 week GT?

Also people talk about base line values a lot on here, when would this usally be taken? Start of the season?

In terms of Bassos workload i seem to remember somewhere (probably Cyclingnews) that he had been simulating a race program during the season (so he was riding hard for 3 weeks) around the time of the Giro/TDF to be ready in time for the Japan Cup. Even if he was doing all of this why is there a big gap from May to September?

Ok I know that was more than 'a couple of questions'  Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huw - where did the Basso thing come from?

Fede - do you have a link to the Basso site where he is posting all his values - I've lost the link. (Edit: Found it ... but not got time to read it ... http://www.mapeisport.it/IvanBasso/default.asp?LNG=EN )

A couple of things from a Basso 'fan boy':

(1) I don't no why there is no data from the summer.  At face value it looks odd.  Maybe there is an explanation on the sate I've asked Fede for.

(2) On a positive (sic) note, at least we have values from way before the season starts ... which is a positive step towards transparency.

(3)  Unsurprising line taken by LA.  Ever thought of releasing values with explanatory notes???
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all on cyclingnews, Bart. All the values.
I don't expect the 2009 graphs to have the same gaps as his 2008 values.

Spoo: You have answered some of your questions.
Yes, they would......sorry should drop quite significantly during a 3 weeker, for the reasons you have stipulated.
Obviously, the drop vary from rider to rider. Recovery being a good pointer.
As a percentage? Very ball park, but around the 10% mark.
Any offers, our medical experts?

As for baseline values. Out of competition would be best. So if you have a value during a rest period, (say November/early December) it should be lower at the start of the Tour, given preparation races etc.

There are people out there, who know far more about this, than me....


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