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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:51 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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The men's TP quartet are going sub-WR pace in training, according to Heiko Salzwedel.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...records-in-training-for-olympics/

My gut feeling is the winning team will go under 3-50 in Rio.


I don't doubt they're going well, but how much of this is to psych the opposition out and how much is hard fact?

That said, if Clancy's back is properly sorted then they should go a fair bit faster than in the WCs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt what Salzwedel says will have any influence on anyone. Other teams will set their schedule according to what they feel they're capable of.

It might boost his own guys but the most important thing when it comes to propaganda is never believe your own!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It might boost his own guys but the most important thing when it comes to propaganda is never believe your own!


That's certainly true!

They must be going reasonably well as they'd look spectacularly stupid if the rode a 3:58 in qualifying and went out.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Sutton is found 'guilty as charged' for saying inappropriate things in a private conversation with someone proven to have lied and with no witnesses ... the mind boggles.  He should sue!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So Sutton is found 'guilty as charged' for saying inappropriate things in a private conversation with someone proven to have lied and with no witnesses ... the mind boggles.  He should sue!


Well that's his side of it, but unless the investigation was a stitch up, then there's maybe be more to it than what he's saying? I can't call it . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course its a stitch-up .... they can't afford the backlash they would get if they reinstated him. We live in an age where the presumption of innocence has disappeared in cases like this ... and objectivity goes out of the window.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's that simple or straightforward. It would be a very strange judgement to come to on the basis of "he said, she said". In these circumstances, the "evidence" that is gathered takes the investigators to the context, and whether, given the accounts of others, the balance of probabilities is that he is "guilty" (not sure words like "guilty" and "innocent" are particularly helpful in this sort of case....)

The context includes claims by others that he used disrespectful and offensive (to the recipients) language. These have all been mentioned in the media coverage I have read about the outcome (including the "gimps and wobblies" claims). I don't know what else the investigators considered, but this is unlikely to be all of it.

I haven't seen the evidence - and nor has anyone else outside the inquiry; even Sutton says he hasn't seen it, so I don't know how compelling (or not) it is.... but I don't think you can say there is no evidence.... you might disagree with the interpretation of the evidence, or with the weight given to it, but it would be impossible to make the decision that they have without evidence - now that would leave them open to a backlash!

My experience over the years (I'm happily retired now) has been that it is possible for individuals to "bully" some workers/staff, while others think the sun shines out of their backsides. That's essentially what makes it work (I'm not saying this applies to Sutton - I don't know, I've never met the guy), but what I am saying is that the numbers of people saying he's a great guy, and he's never treated me like that are almost certainly being 100% straight - that is their experience..... BUT, that doesn't mean he's not different with other people, who might find him a bully. I'm not surprised that he has plenty of supporters - sounds like he's quite a charismatic guy, but that doesn't mean I can't believe his accusers as well. I've sacked people for workplace bullying, and in every case there have been plenty of people alleging a "stitch-up" (because they didn't experience what the victims did).

Sorry to go on..... I'll conclude by repeating that I have no idea whether Sutton is guilty or not, but the investigators will have not acted this way without what they consider to be evidence.....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for taking the time to type the long version of what I was thinking Ventoux.

I too have worked with some nasty people and often they didn't even have the virtue of being liked by half of those under them.Thankfully I wasn't for the worst of them I have come across. At one stage I had the stupidity of my manager telling me that the bullying was OK, because the twat got his job done  Rolling Eyes This manager was on the board of a division that had thousands of staff, so it was tolerated at high levels . . .
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only one claim made by Jess Varnish was upheld by the independent review. The rest were rejected.

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/806591270147788800

The bitches call was probably made during the run in to the Hong Kong World cup.
I'm guessing then, cos they sure were.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
Only one claim made by Jess Varnish was upheld by the independent review. The rest were rejected.

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/806591270147788800

The bitches call was probably made during the run in to the Hong Kong World cup.
I'm guessing then, cos they sure were.


I am disappointed that Sutton didn't refer to the Sheilas as Sheilas. What is the world coming to?

JV to appeal. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/v...cling-internal-inquiry-on-sutton/

Killing Sutton once isn't enough, it seems. Just let it go, Sheila.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HuwB wrote:
Only one claim made by Jess Varnish was upheld by the independent review. The rest were rejected.


According to the Telegraph report, all of JV's complaints were rejected. The one that was upheld came from a different, un-named, rider.

BC has tried very hard to keep the details secret and the info that has emerged has only done so due to a leak.

JV's lawyer (Simon Fenton, a partner at Irwin Mitchell LLP - wonder who's paying for him?) says: "I do not feel that British Cycling has covered itself in glory here." Understatement of the year, I think.
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At the risk of being told off for reviving a dormant thread, I remember last week the Mrs. sent me to the shop for bread and milk and I accidentally bought testosterone patches instead Rolling Eyes

https://www.theguardian.com/sport...anned-testosterone-patches-doping
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... and 30,000 vials of triamcinolone just in case Wink

Something is not right ...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This doesn't read well.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport...ford-reputation-in-tatters-review

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However, an independent UK Sport panel, led by the British Rowing chair Annamarie Phelps, has reportedly found that British Cycling’s grievance officer, Alex Russell, had originally found “considerably more” of Varnish’s claims had been proven, but these “harder-hitting investigative findings” were not included in the final version.

“As a result,” the review states, “it appears that not only did the British Cycling board not accept the findings of its grievance officer, it reversed them. The actions of the British Cycling board in that regard are shocking and inexcusable. They also call into serious question whether the composition of the British Cycling board is fit to govern a national sporting body.”According to the report, some leading cyclists have also “experienced trauma” because of a programme “characterised by fear and bullying from leadership figures”. It also suggests that UK Sport did not monitor the sport in “any meaningful way” and the cracks in British Cycling were ignored in pursuit of medal success.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madison added to Olympics

http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/m...kyo-2020-olympic-games-programme/

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