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CapeRoadie
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| Ralphnorman wrote: | | Did 55 miles ish today in intermittent downpours, was not fun. Felt good until the last 15 miles when i got dropped and didn't get back on till about 2 miles from the cafe when the bunch stopped to fix a puncture. 3 and a quarter hours i reckon. |
Ralph our weather has been the most unsettled I've ever seen it. Riding in the rain just trashes the drivetrain. Stay dry, mate.
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| CapeRoadie wrote: |
Okay, you people, go ahead and try to define the "core".
Good luck. |
Good point. It probably includes more than I think it does. If so, then Bartali's correct. I've always thought of it to be more of the abs, obliques, lower back, glutes, and Hip flexors and adductors. |
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CapeRoadie
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| berck wrote: | | CapeRoadie wrote: |
Okay, you people, go ahead and try to define the "core".
Good luck. |
Good point. It probably includes more than I think it does. If so, then Bartali's correct. I've always thought of it to be more of the abs, obliques, lower back, glutes, and Hip flexors and adductors. |
Glutes, hip abductors and adductors aren't part of the core.
"Abs" are a part of the core. Name all the abdominals.
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Bartali
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Obliquus externus
Obliquus internus
Transversus abdominis
Rectus abdominis
Pyramidalis muscle |
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CapeRoadie
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| Bartali wrote: | Obliquus externus
Obliquus internus
Transversus abdominis
Rectus abdominis
Pyramidalis muscle |
Excellent, Bart!
Now name all of the core muscles.
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cyclingtv
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| CapeRoadie wrote: | | Bartali wrote: | Obliquus externus
Obliquus internus
Transversus abdominis
Rectus abdominis
Pyramidalis muscle |
Excellent, Bart! Now name all of the core muscles. |
cape.. whatever gets you off 
you are a hand-on type of guy.. enjoy 
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CapeRoadie
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CTV, if you're trying to come out on-line, I think you should be more direct. A few photos of your favorite men in your favorite poses aren't really enough.
Abdominals are not the "core". They make up part of the core.
Now, who can name the muscles of the core?
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Bartali
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Pelvic floor muscles
Transversus abdominis
Multifidus
Internal obliques
External obliques
Rectus abdominis
Erector spinae (Longissimus thoracis and diaphragm)
Latissimus dorsi
Gluteus maximus
Trapezius. |
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cyclingtv
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| CapeRoadie wrote: | | CTV, if you're trying to come out on-line, I think you should be more direct. A few photos of your favorite men in your favorite poses aren't really enough. Abdominals are not the "core". They make up part of the core. Now, who can name the muscles of the core? |
you wish |
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berck
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| CapeRoadie wrote: |
Glutes, hip abductors and adductors aren't part of the core.
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It depends on who you talk with. This physiologist and fitness consultant certainly disagrees with you.
I've seen people list anything from the quads and hamstrings up to the pecs and lats. |
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I've been working mostly on my arms and that seems to be doing the trick. Bicep curls, push ups etc
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Another 25 TT. Did a 1.08 something. 4 mins off my PB but staying consistent.
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CapeRoadie
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| berck wrote: | | CapeRoadie wrote: |
Glutes, hip abductors and adductors aren't part of the core.
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It depends on who you talk with. This physiologist and fitness consultant certainly disagrees with you.
I've seen people list anything from the quads and hamstrings up to the pecs and lats. |
Most of us in sports medicine, rehabilitative medicine, physical medicine, physical therapy, occupational medicine and strength & conditioning agree that "core" refers to the lumbar spine supportive muscles.
But you're right, berck, you can define a nonsense term any way you like.
So, for discussion's sake, let's define the "core" as the lumbar spine supportive musculature. Then we can at least start to make some sense and derive some meaning from this thread (in spite of the ego-dystonic homosexual posts of cyclingtv).
I think it would be a really good discussion for those of us interested in this topic.
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CapeRoadie
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| Bartali wrote: | Pelvic floor muscles yes
Transversus abdominis yes
Multifidus yes
Internal obliques yes
External obliques yes
Rectus abdominis yes
Erector spinae yes (Longissimus thoracis yes and diaphragm yes, but the diaphragm is not one of the erector spinae)
Latissimus dorsi technically, yes
Gluteus maximus no
Trapezius. not really, no |
You're missing a couple of really important ones.
berck makes an interesting point. It depends on who you talk to. But I think a discussion should operationalize the definition of "core". So, I did that: "core" = lumbar spine support musculature.
Okay, good, Mr. Bartali. Excellent, really. Well done. Others are:
hip flexors (psoas major and minor; iliacus is NOT a lumbar spine supportive muscle)
quadratus lumborum, right and left
Now, define for us the architecture of that support system, telling us exactly what role each of these muscles plays in the support of the lumbar spine.
Define the lumbar spine.
Describe the action of each muscle on the lumbar spine. This will be a very tricky proposition for the diaphragm and the pelvic floor muscles, and also transverse abdominus, but go ahead anyway.
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| What do you think I am Cape? A bloomin medical text book? |
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Did London to Brighton the other week. First long ride for months. 50-odd miles in just over 3 and half hours (including the walking up the bloody hills!)...was it wrong of me to refuel with a pint of Harveys and a carbo gel prior to Ditchling Beacon
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| L'Etape isn't far away Redster - shouldn't you be acclimatising by drinking Pastis insead of Harveys? |
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Ralphnorman
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1hr 6 mins dead today. Racing in my first 25 on Sunday so I'm going in the right direction but still feeling heavy in the legs.
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| Juggernaut wrote: | | L'Etape isn't far away Redster - shouldn't you be acclimatising by drinking Pastis insead of Harveys? |
I wish, the credit crunch hit the Etapes of the world for me this year!
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