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thunderthighs · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1481

[quote="Nolte"]i note a grammatical error on the cyclingnews report

[quote]The team's most [i]in[/i]famous new signing is Riccardo Riccò, who is serving a suspension for doping that ends March 18, 2010.[/quote]

fixed![/quote]...

thats a good signing..he is tour winner..has Cazzo to Win...

ciao

CapeRoadie · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject:

Hey TT stop responding to the ads and moving them to the top of the page. We're trying to bump the good stuff up and leave the spam alone to disappear.
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HuwB · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:26 am Post subject:

thunderthighs · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1481

iam an athlete..not a politician..but to Appease you
i will ..i will bequeath your demand..ciao
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paperman · Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 1295 Location: Ireland

nice one TT...... thanks!
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HuwB · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:05 am Post subject:

No wonder Kohl and Dekker managed to slip under Lotto's radar, as it's obviously switched off.
Their latest possible PR blunder:-
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...considering-Riccos-ex-doctor.aspx

Hard to believe.....

HuwB · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:20 am Post subject:

More on Mancebo, LLS and Oscar.
Some stuff more damning than the rest?
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...ercepts-doping-text-messages.aspx

Bartali · Joined: 06 Oct 2006 Posts: 7730 Location: Hertfordshire

Interesting for many reasons.

The quote re LLS/Contatdor at PN is meaningless as far as I can see - but what interests me more is the quote from (presumably) OP. Good for him if it means what it looks like.

kathy · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

There is a rather odd paragraph about Fuentes on As today.

http://www.as.com/ciclismo/articu...lenciana/dasclm/20091028dasdaicic

It says that a court has instructed the Communidad Valenciana to pay Fuentes 36000 for being the doctor of Kelme-Costa Blanca between August and December 2003. Belda and a couple of other guys have also taken court action because they weren't paid!
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fede40 · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject:

it's not quite cycling related doping news, but I read that Agassi, in his autbiography, admitted taking drugs back in the late 90s when he slipped down the rankings. he was caught but told ATP he had drunk by mistake one of his mates' drinks which had been "topped up"... ATP, unsurprisingly, accepted the lame excuse and let him off the hook. no wonder Gasquet got away with his "coke-kiss"

(note, I'm just reporting what I read on Gazzetta, haven't read the book yet, as I believe it's not out yet)

p.s.
apologies if it had already been posted somewhere else
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chardon · Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 1815 Location: Ile de France

SIX OR SEVEN CASES OF POSIBLE DOPING DURING THE GIRO 2008

http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1757/D...e-a-l-EPO-Cera-au-Giro-2008.dhtml
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thunderthighs · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1481

they could dismiss all those riders...ciao
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chardon · Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 1815 Location: Ile de France

Here's the English version:

Doping scandals in Europe include Giro sample re-tests and intercepted text messages in Spain.
By Andrew Hood
Published: Oct. 30, 2009

Just as cycling enters the off-season, threats of new doping scandals are looming on the horizon in Italy and Spain.

In Italy, the sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that officials are going to re-test samples taken from the 2008 Giro d’Italia for the presence of the banned blood booster CERA.

And in Spain, a magazine reports on a police investigation into an alleged doping ring, including some text messages reportedly between some well-known pro cyclists and a doctor.

Italian re-tests

Historians might have to re-write the results from the 2008 Giro after officials in Padua have seized more than 80 urine samples to be re-analyzed to test for the presence of the third-generation of EPO called CERA.

The new test for CERA was unveiled during the 2008 Tour de France, where riders such as Riccardo Riccò, Leonardo Piepoli, Bernard Kohl and Stefan Schumacher tested positive for the new favorite doping method.

Suspicions that CERA was in use long before the Tour were confirmed when Emanuele Sella, who won three stages and the King of the Mountains jersey during the 2008 Giro, tested for CERA in an out-of-competition test during the summer of 2008. Sella later provided information to officials for a reduction in his race ban, which prompted Italian officials to move to re-test samples.

Earlier efforts to back-test Giro samples for CERA were squashed by the UCI, but now Italian officials in Padua have taken up the case.

The push to re-test back samples is part of a larger doping investigation, dubbed “Via Col Doping,” dating back to raids during the 2001 Giro. According to the report, about a half-dozen samples have returned results that could indicate the presence of CERA.

According to the report, 30 people have been brought in for questioning, among them seven professional cyclists. Police have confiscated alleged doping diaries and have videotape of Dr. Enrico Lazzaro treating patients (including a 15-year-old swimmer in the presence of her father).

The report also outlined a new blood doping practice which evaded current testing protocol which monitor blood parameters. About 200ml of blood is extracted, mixed with an anti-coagulant, and re-injected. The practice does not alter blood values and is all but undetectable, the report said.

More questions in Spain

Meanwhile in Spain, there are hints that other intrepid doctors have worked to fill the void left by alleged Puerto ringleader Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes, whose expansive doping ring was busted up by officials in May 2006.

In Portugal, officials have suspended Spanish doctor Marcos Maynar for 10 years from practicing in that country for his links to a large-spread doping ring involving Portuguese team LA MSS in 2008. Other team officials are facing hard jail time of up to eight years.

Despite some tantalizing evidence, judges in Valladolid temporarily closed an investigation into Spanish doctor Jesús Losa earlier this summer for a lack of evidence. Losa strongly denied working as a doping doctor.

A recent report published in the Spanish magazine Intervíu reveals an inside look into the police investigation.

According to Intervíu, officials intercepted telephone SMS messages from several active riders and the doctor. The magazine printed detailed excerpts from police files of alleged text messages between Losa and riders.

Losa — who was linked to the David Millar doping scandal in 2001 and the former team doctor for Euskaltel-Euskadi and Relax — was fingered by Moises Dueñas (who tested positive in the 2008 Tour de France) and Maribel Moreno (who became the first doping positive at the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing).

Dueñas admitted paying 6,000 euros per year to Losa and expressed shock that he tested positive for EPO in the 2008 Tour “because if I did what you told me, I would give a positive result.”

Among them is an unknown message to Losa, referring to the 2009 Paris-Nice: “Your friend won Paris-Nice,” to which Losa responds, “He was there, like a champion.”

According to Intervíu, police evidence revealed that Rock Racing's Francisco Mancebo also maintained a relationship with Losa. In a reported exchange between Losa and Mancebo, Mancebo sent a text message dated Jan. 28 to Losa: “Call me to eat one day and bring me something … we have a crisis.” To which Losa responds, “Ja, ja … whenever you want.” A few days later, Mancebo won the first stage of the Tour of California.

Another message is allegedly from an unidentified former winner of the Tour de France, who wrote in 2008 after refusing his services: “I am coming back from the Tour in a state of shock. Thank goodness I am not so ambitious and I didn’t take anything you had given me ... You were at the point of throwing me to unemployment and ruining my career.”

More exchanges between a father of a young rider and Losa revealed that even parents get in on the game: “He’s been racing four years on macaroni and the results haven’t been very good. (Wants) to ride equal to everyone else, on the same level.”

Whether the courts re-open the Losa investigation remains an interesting question.

Officials in Spain might reinvigorate this case and others, such as Operación Puerto, in the coming months, especially since Spain lost its bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympic Games to Rio de Janeiro.

Spanish officials were not keen to speak about the doping investigations for fear it would harm their efforts to promote Madrid as a host city for the Olympics.
Fuentes wins back pay

In another bizarre twist in the Fuentes story, the controversial Spanish doctor won a court decision this week awarding him nearly $1 million in back-pay owed by the former team Kelme.

A court in Valencia awarded Fuentes 600,000 euros for unpaid wages he was due while employed by the team from 2003-06. An appeal is likely.
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Enchantress · Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 327

Fascinating, albeit not shocking, information in the above story/post.

The question that I have with all of these retests of previous GT's though is, assuming they get any positives which is hardly a given - will they have any real chance at a doping suspension/conviction?

I am believing that the riders will undoubtedly stonewall, with help from the UCI probably, in asserting that this or that detail has been missed or that the tests are inaccurate, etc (the usual blather).

Do any of you believe anything can come out of these retests?

I would bet that at best, it might be a 2nd/3rd tier rider but with the usual biggest dopers slipping away.

Mrs John Murphy · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:56 am Post subject:

The thing that is slightly curious is that we have heard several times that the 2008 samples will be re-tested and then silence.

I suspect that re-testing will result in DDL testing positive again.

The cynical might also point to a Dertie positive - which would make the Italians very happy, Lance very happy, give the UCI a reason to kick out Astana once and for all (JB like Riis 'had no idea'), afterall, as far as the UCI is concerned Dertie isn't a cash-cow like the uniballer.

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Slapshot 3 · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject:

I sense the massaging hands of The Hog, Pharmstrong and McTwat

Nolte · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 2394 Location: irlande

there was an interesting article by daniel friebe in a recent issue of procycling called "cheating the system"

i'm a bit behind on procycling's due to great american novels from philip roth, junot diaz, and issabel allende
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TNG · Joined: 03 Nov 2009 Posts: 63

Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this (i.e. it isn't cycling-related doping news), but I was a little surprised that there doesn't appear to have been any comment made here about this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091103/sp_nm/us_golf_pga_wada_1

But maybe it's old news and I need to catch up! Laughing

Slapshot 3 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:39 am Post subject:

From CN