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Mrs John Murphy

World Cup

Time for another round of mindless jingoism, special offers on lager and St George's flags and wall to wall tabloid coverage, xenophobic tv commentary, crappy songs, and no doubt some random waiters, fruitpickers etc will be beaten up by someone or other for the crime of sharing the same passport as the team that has just knocked England out.

However, with any luck there might be some decent football.

If people are interested in FP for the World Cup, Yahoo is running a Pick Em competition for the world cup. http://us.wc.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ Where is SM to give us his FP's?
Boogerd_Fan

Slovakia FTW!!!
bianchigirl

The Sun are offering a special George Cross mobile...Rolling Eyes

The lack of tribalism is why I follow cycling not football - despite the best efforts of some to take the sport in the same direction Rolling Eyes
SlowRower

The beauty of the World Cup is that whilst we know England will fall somewhere in the knockout phase in calamitous circumstances, there is virtually limitless potential for the precise means of their demise.

Working out who or what will go doolally is more entertaining than the football normally. (Owen's knee against Sweden last time being an exception. That hurt just watching.)

Either way, the special offers on lager aren't to be sniffed at.

QF exit on penalties is my prediction, although Capello has apparently convinced the squad that practicing spot kicks isn't just an example of German eccentricity and might actually be useful.
paperman

All the shite aside I am looking forward to the tournament. Hopefully we will see some good football and I always like watching players I normally don't see play.
Fontfroide

Two large manufactures are offering anyone who buys one of their TVs now, will get their money back if France wins the World Cup.  The two manufacturers figure sales will go up 40%.  And if France did win the World Cup, a tremendously unlikely outcome, the two companies must have insurance.  

Well less than half the French people think France will win.
bianchigirl

They have some class players though - sounds like usual French fatalism to me Wink I would like to see them win again but will not hold my breath Wink

I was walking through Luton when the Millwall fans rioted - have never, ever forgotten those thugs and their behaviour - am not given to being scared or intimidated but having to run for cover on a Saturday afternoon because some people can't control their aggression (and the feelings of anger it engendered in me) remain. My dad was a (Luton Town) season ticket holder and was in the ground - he and his season ticket holding friends were the mildest mannered bunch of people - he had a heart attack on the way home. That crap is just wrong and gets replicated every time there's a big tournament.
Fontfroide

They do have some class players.  Absolutely right.  And if all of their guys come to form at the right time, if they have a decent strategy, if they get a bit lucky, then there is no doubt they could go far.  It is rather odd that they don't do so well, never play that outstandingly, do not seem to have a kind of overall feel of knowing what they are doing and yet have such good individual players.  Naturally I hope they do well, although sadly I will be in the UK during most of the action and so might not see them.  Have no idea whether coverage in the UK is wall to wall, or even whether my friends will be that interested or have lots of channels.  I think this time around I might not follow it quite so fanatically as I usually do.

Nice thing about the World cup is that with my mixed genetic ancestry, my moving countries a bit, I have plenty of teams to support.  One lthing I always find out is more about my identity, if watching football can tell me anything about that.  So when France play England, or the USA play France or England, or when Brazil play any of them, I find myself thinking a bit.  Sadly I won't be able to investigate my Bulgarian genetic footie identity this year.  And my Portuguese son does not like footie.

Today is the day the French team is revealed.  There will be several surprises.
Bartali

ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA !!!
kathy

Seeing as Wales never qualify, I can choose who I support.  Over the years it has been variously, Brazil, England, France, Spain...... Laughing
cardinal guzman

Spain will breeze it - no one else comes close. England will come nowhere but sell a lot of useless shit from asda - which is their real day job.

RSA is smart - if you get chance, you should go - it's so good you'll look for ways to stay.
Bartali

Sorry ... have I already said ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA !!!
Geraint

Spain should win unless they crack under pressure. Argentina has a lot of good players, too bad about the coach. Same with France, Zidane really carried the team last time. Can't believe I thought England had a chance to do well last time. This time I hope they fall flat with their team of Manc and Chelsea twats. Italy will go alright because they still have the most succesful manager ever. Brazil has a good chance of winning if Spain fall over. They will go in with a cynical, defensive attitude along with the usual attacking skill.
Mrs John Murphy

Dunga is the anti-Brazilian Brazilian. The myth of Samba Soccer is just a Nike marketing ploy. They have been the Italy of Latin American football since 1990. Cynical, negative and dirty. Remember Rivaldo's diving etc.
smarauder68

My FP's for the World Cup:

Group A: 1st France, 2nd Uruguay - South Africa beats Mexico in opener and then loses 2.

Group B: 1st Argentina, 2nd Nigeria...Greeks wont score a goal.

Group C:  1st England, 2nd USA - Americans get crucial draw in opener and beat Slovenia to lock up qualification.

Group D: 1st Germany, 2nd Serbia - Aussies lose out on goal diff.

Group E: 1st Holland, 2nd Cameroon - Danes wont go anywhere.

Group F:  1st Italy, Slovakia - Weakest group.

Group G: 1st Portugal, 2nd Brazil.  Brazilians lose to Portugal and Ivorians dissapoint again...No defense or keeper haunt Ivory Coast.

Group H: 1st Spain, 2nd Chile - Swiss dissapoint here.


Knockout Stages:

France 1, Nigeria 0
Argentina 2, Uruguay 1
England 2, Serbia 1
USA 2, Germany 1
Holland 2, Slovakia 0
Cameroon 2, Italy 1(Eto'o braces shocks Italy)
Portugal 2, Chile 0
Spain 1, Brazil 0

Quarterfinals:

France 2, England 0
Argentina 2, USA 1(After ET)
Holland 1, Portugal 0
Spain 1, Cameroon 0

Semifinals:

Argentina 2, France 0
Holland 1, Spain 0

Final:

Argentina 2, Holland 1

Golden Boot: Messi(7 goals)
cyclingtv

smarauder68 wrote:
My FP's for the World Cup:
Group A: 1st France, 2nd Uruguay - South Africa beats Mexico in opener and then loses 2.
Group B: 1st Argentina, 2nd Nigeria...Greeks wont score a goal.
Group C:  1st England, 2nd USA - Americans get crucial draw in opener and beat Slovenia to lock up qualification.
Group D: 1st Germany, 2nd Serbia - Aussies lose out on goal diff.
Group E: 1st Holland, 2nd Cameroon - Danes wont go anywhere.
Group F:  1st Italy, Slovakia - Weakest group.
Group G: 1st Portugal, 2nd Brazil.  Brazilians lose to Portugal and Ivorians dissapoint again...No defense or keeper haunt Ivory Coast.
Group H: 1st Spain, 2nd Chile - Swiss dissapoint here.

Knockout Stages:
France 1, Nigeria 0
Argentina 2, Uruguay 1
England 2, Serbia 1
USA 2, Germany 1
Holland 2, Slovakia 0
Cameroon 2, Italy 1(Eto'o braces shocks Italy)
Portugal 2, Chile 0
Spain 1, Brazil 0

Quarterfinals:
France 2, England 0
Argentina 2, USA 1(After ET)
Holland 1, Portugal 0
Spain 1, Cameroon 0

Semifinals:
Argentina 2, France 0
Holland 1, Spain 0

Final: Argentina 2, Holland 1

Golden Boot: Messi(7 goals)
well done..  thumright

imo it's spains cup to lose Wink
smarauder68

The problems with Spain is the injuries to Torres, Xavi and Senna....none of them will have any kind of form or fitness....Spain should be favorites but they can be beaten by a team that plays compact and absorbs crosses well...The USA beat them last year but simply giving up the flanks and letting the Spaniards send crosses in...You can't let them or Brazil have space in the middle or they'll "one-two" their way in the box and score or draw penalties with their acting abilities.

I think Holland can go far with Sneider and Van Persie leading the way.
Biosphere

smarauder68 wrote:
The problems with Spain is the injuries to Torres, Xavi and Senna....


Senna could have 2 amputated legs and it wouldn't make any difference now  Wink
Boogerd_Fan

ahhahaahahahaha

argentina???

they left their best player at home

Messi can do all he likes, and he will. But how will they defend leaving Cambiaso at home.
smarauder68

Cambiasso's omission is strange...I thought he played great for Inter...Zanetti too!  I think Maradonna showed a huge bias towards players who play in the Argentina league.

Messi can win by himself and maybe a bit of help from Tavez....Smile
Boogerd_Fan

the coach will bottle it for them...
Mrs John Murphy

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
the coach will bottle it for them...


Well he ran over a journalist today...

SM - you seem to be very confident about France... they are terrible.
smarauder68

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
the coach will bottle it for them...


Well he ran over a journalist today...

SM - you seem to be very confident about France... they are terrible.


Ribery, Malouda marauding down the flanks with Anelka and Henry finishing....They'll be solid. Govou is a nice option too.
Bartali

smarauder68 wrote:
My FP's for the World Cup:

Group A: 1st France, 2nd Uruguay - South Africa beats Mexico in opener and then loses 2.

Group B: 1st Argentina, 2nd Nigeria...Greeks wont score a goal.

Group C:  1st England, 2nd USA - Americans get crucial draw in opener and beat Slovenia to lock up qualification.

Group D: 1st Germany, 2nd Serbia - Aussies lose out on goal diff.

Group E: 1st Holland, 2nd Cameroon - Danes wont go anywhere.

Group F:  1st Italy, Slovakia - Weakest group.

Group G: 1st Portugal, 2nd Brazil.  Brazilians lose to Portugal and Ivorians dissapoint again...No defense or keeper haunt Ivory Coast.

Group H: 1st Spain, 2nd Chile - Swiss dissapoint here.


Knockout Stages:

France 1, Nigeria 0
Argentina 2, Uruguay 1
England 2, Serbia 1
USA 2, Germany 1
Holland 2, Slovakia 0
Cameroon 2, Italy 1(Eto'o braces shocks Italy)
Portugal 2, Chile 0
Spain 1, Brazil 0

Quarterfinals:

France 2, England 0
Argentina 2, USA 1(After ET)
Holland 1, Portugal 0
Spain 1, Cameroon 0

Semifinals:

Argentina 2, France 0
Holland 1, Spain 0

Final:

Argentina 2, Holland 1

Golden Boot: Messi(7 goals)


Brilliant stuff Scott!  This is what we want .... scores as well!
Fontfroide

I tend to agree that the French team will do badly.  But like many French people, I cannot figure out why they lose.  When you look over the players on the team, there are not really too many weaknesses, and some really terrific players.  

Two of the keepers are good to excellent.  Lloris is going to surprise many people.
Most national teams would be happy to have Evra, Gallas, Abidal, Sagna, with the rest being fine substitutes.
In midfield we have Ribery, Gourcouff, Malouda, the two Diarras, Toulalan, and although most of you won't know him, a 'new guy' called Valbuena.  I think they all are damn good,and so do the teams who hire them.
As for strikers, choosing who to play from Henry (OK he is getting to the end, but still), Anelka, Cisse and Gignac.

I guess there are various views possible, but they seem quite good.  Why do they lose?  No one seems to know, although obviously they blame the coach and his strategies.

Most people agree with MJM.  Only 16% of the French people think they can win, while they think that Spain 32% and Brazil 25% will snatch it, no other country getting into double figures.  The teams the French appreciate most are Brazil 38% and Spain 24% with England leading the single figure teams at 8%.  The teams they appreciate least are Italy 45%, Germany 15%, England 11% and the rest in single figures.

The same article, recently published in l'Equipe, had survey data from a worldwide survey including people from France, UK, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Brazil and China (only urban samples in those two countries) and the USA.  Usual survey techniques.  The winner would be Brazil 37%, Spain 19% and Argentina leading the single figures with 9%.  The team the world appreciated most was Brazil at 28%, Spain at 13%, Argentina at 11% and Italy leading the single figures at 9%.  the team appreciated least was Argentina at 13%, France at 16%, Italy 13%, German 12% and England leading the single figures at 9%.

Only 3% of that World sample thought France would win and only 4% appreciated France the most.
Boogerd_Fan

They are great talents, but do they play as a team? Do they rely on players who're getting old - Gallas, Henry? Is there much pace in the middle of the park?

France have more questions than answers. I think a more measured team is going to win - even include Germans and Italians in that list of settled teams who will play together through the tournament.

I'd love Holland to win.

edit - interesting training methods of the French:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8694813.stm
smarauder68

I reckon France also play with some arrogance and underestimate foes...they didnt play with any urgency throughout qualifying and yet they made it....I think they'll make the Quarterinals at least.

Evra and Abidal are world class defenders...Ribery and Anelka are world class offensive talent...the rest are above average and they'll do fine.
Bartali

Italia Italia Italia
smarauder68

Bartali wrote:
Italia Italia Italia


Italia is too old to make a long run....they haven't added many younger players...maybe Rossi, but that's about it.
CapeRoadie

Go England!
Geraint

smarauder68 wrote:

Italia is too old to make a long run....they haven't added many younger players...maybe Rossi, but that's about it.


Experience is a big factor in tournaments. Whats important is they still have the most succesful manager ever leading the team. He will make sure they look for goals instead of just defending. As long as he is there I wont write them off.
Mrs John Murphy

Well Maradona has now vowed to run naked through the streets if Argentina win. For the sake of my eyeballs I hope that they don't.

On the subject of homo-erotica, did anyone see this? It looks like something out of Boogie Nights

cadence

I've joined a world cup fantasy league and I know even less about football than cycling (if thats possible  Smile  ) Does this look like a decent team?

Schwarzer, M   -   £3.9m
Cole, A      -   £6.8m
Caceres, JC      -   £5.1m
Beck, A      -   £4.2m
Abidal, E      -   £5.6m
van der Vaart, R   -   £7.4m
Valdivia, J      -   £7.0m
Baptista, J      -   £6.9m
Honda, K      -   £5.8m
Birsa, V      -   £6.0m
Messi, L      -   £10.0m
thunderthighs

urgaury is my dark horse...but...ITALIA , ITALIA
FOR ME........


 SHAME NO CASSANO, MY FAVORITE PLAYER...

CIAO
smarauder68

England's 23 will be named shortly today...Will Barry get cut?

Its funny to read experts splitting hairs about players who will likely never see any action in the WC.

England will go nowhere as long as Gerrard and Lampard play together.  

England are by far the most over-rated team in the world.
Guiness

bianchigirl wrote:
The Sun are offering a special George Cross mobile...Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


I saw the same design on a baby's milk bottle in the supermarket the other day  Rolling Eyes
MAILLOT JAUNE

The Netherlands are slowly but surely turning orange!!!!!!!!!!!
Boogerd_Fan

smarauder68 wrote:


England are by far the most over-rated team in the world.




Not really, if they actually play as a team they could be dangerous.

Obviously not as technically gifted as some other individuals, but if they actually turn up and get some momentum then they are a good outside bet when looking beyond Brazil, Argentina or Spain.

If they do gel as a team, then the problems are not on the pitch but off it.. either from WAG attention like in '02/'06 or just plain ol' media hounding.
Geraint

cadence wrote:
I've joined a world cup fantasy league and I know even less about football than cycling (if thats possible  Smile  ) Does this look like a decent team?

Schwarzer, M   -   £3.9m
Cole, A      -   £6.8m
Caceres, JC      -   £5.1m
Beck, A      -   £4.2m
Abidal, E      -   £5.6m
van der Vaart, R   -   £7.4m
Valdivia, J      -   £7.0m
Baptista, J      -   £6.9m
Honda, K      -   £5.8m
Birsa, V      -   £6.0m
Messi, L      -   £10.0m


In fantasy league you want to score as many points as possible. This generally comes down to some common strategies like picking defenders/gk from defensive-minded teams like Italy, but you want to pick defenders on those teams that like to get forward a lot. Schwarzer is in a tough group and likely to concede goals every match. Cole is way overpriced for someone who is not likely to get an assist. Defensive midfielders are a waste of space. Attackers who are the main threat for their team and are going to get a lot of the ball. Players who are going to take the freekicks and penalties for their team.

van der Vaart is a good player, but is he going to get many assists? On Dutch team I like a guy like Van Persie who will be amongst the goals if he is not injured. For your big money forward you want someone who is guaranteed to get points, theres something about the way Maradona uses Messi that suggests he might not get as much of the ball as he should. I cant really suggest any players because I have not been looking at the squads, but these are just some offhand ideas. I got lucky and won my world cup fantasy league last time but I dont think I will play this time.
Geraint

smarauder68 wrote:
England's 23 will be named shortly today...Will Barry get cut?

Its funny to read experts splitting hairs about players who will likely never see any action in the WC.

England will go nowhere as long as Gerrard and Lampard play together.  

England are by far the most over-rated team in the world.


England will go nowhere as long as Lampard plays. Last WC he took the most shots at goal of any player at the WC and scored 0 goals. I like them having James in goal and Johnson at RB, it means they can always let in a surprise goal. England's problems last time will be the same again, especially crowding the middle with too many central midfielders. The manager is a bit better but still too defensive minded. Qtr final exit is likely.

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:


England are by far the most over-rated team in the world.




Not really, if they actually play as a team they could be dangerous.

Obviously not as technically gifted as some other individuals, but if they actually turn up and get some momentum then they are a good outside bet when looking beyond Brazil, Argentina or Spain.

If they do gel as a team, then the problems are not on the pitch but off it.. either from WAG attention like in '02/'06 or just plain ol' media hounding.


I think the problems are usually with the manager. Last time, Eriksson went in saying he had a settled formation and would not be changing halfway through the WC. Needless to say, he ended up with a number of different formations, with bizarre experiments putting Beckham at RB, starting Gerrard at DM and getting down to one fit forward in Crouch. If Capello lets teams come at them and tries to play on the counterattack they wont get far.
smarauder68

So, who will partner with Rooney up front?

I would be most afraid of Crouch because he can be an effective target man and lay the ball off for Rooney or score himself on set pieces...but I reckon Dafoe or Heskey will get the nod as Capello seems leary of Lurch...

The USA lineup will look like this:

...............................Howard................................

Cherundolo.....Onyewu..........Demerit....Bocanegra

.....................Bradley..........Torres.....................


Dempsey................................................Donovan

........................Findley............Altidore................



They could also use Holden on the right flank and slide Dempsey up top to take Findley's place.

It looks like Torres has a firm grip on the MF spot now, having out played Clark(Mr.RedCard).

And Goodson could start over Onyewu or Demerit at a central back spot if they're not fit.

The one spot the US have a significant advantage is with the keeper....Howard is superior to anything England have at the moment.

I also think the English back four are vulnerable with Rio and Terry looking a step or two slower and past their best. I can see Altidore or Donovan slipping past them and scoring or drawing a PK.

Early prediction:  1-1
kathy

You might like this calendar that someone sent to me

http://www.marca.com/deporte/futb...rica-2010/calendario-english.html
Mrs John Murphy

SM - what happened to Freddy Adu? Has he become the new Sonny Pike? are you going to pick a TDF fantasy team? We need some proper FPs from you. I am like a junkie going Cold Turkey without them.

Dunga has managed to make Brazil the most unBrazilian team ever. Still Nike will be able to spin the usual bullshit myths about Brazil. Living off the hype of 1970.

Still we'll see how the Fuentes treatment works for Spain in South Africa.
Nolte

this is how i see it going down

Group A: 1 France 2 Mexico
Group B: 1 Argentina 2 Nigeria
Group C: 1 England 2 USA
Group D 1 Germany 2 Australia
Group E: 1 Netherlands 2 Cameroun
Group F 1 Italy 2 Paraguay
Group G 1 Brazil 2 Portugal
Group H 1 Spain 2 Chile

Second Round

France v Nigeria - France
England V Austrailia - Australia
Germany V USA - Germany
Argentina V Mexico - Argentina
Brazil V Chile - Brazil
Netherlands V Paraguay - Netherlands
Italy V Cameroun - Italy
Spain V Portugal - Portugal

Quarter Finals

Brazil V Netherlands - Brazil
France V Austrailia - France
Argentina V Germany - Argentina
Italy V Portugal - Portugal

Semi's
Brazil V France - Brazil
Argentina V Portugal - Argentina

Final
Brazil V Argentina - Argentina

3/4
France V Portugal - Portugal
Nolte

however i should note the last time i watch soccer on tv, was when i was sick
kathy

You might like to check those predictions, Nolte.  You have at least a couple of examples of teams losing in one round appearing in the next round (I noticed Australia and Portugal) Laughing
Bartali

ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA !!!
berck

I surprised none of the English residents have brought this to our attention...

Footy, Footy, Footy

Smile
cadence

Geraint wrote:
cadence wrote:
I've joined a world cup fantasy league and I know even less about football than cycling (if thats possible  Smile  ) Does this look like a decent team?

Schwarzer, M   -   £3.9m
Cole, A      -   £6.8m
Caceres, JC      -   £5.1m
Beck, A      -   £4.2m
Abidal, E      -   £5.6m
van der Vaart, R   -   £7.4m
Valdivia, J      -   £7.0m
Baptista, J      -   £6.9m
Honda, K      -   £5.8m
Birsa, V      -   £6.0m
Messi, L      -   £10.0m


In fantasy league you want to score as many points as possible. This generally comes down to some common strategies like picking defenders/gk from defensive-minded teams like Italy, but you want to pick defenders on those teams that like to get forward a lot. Schwarzer is in a tough group and likely to concede goals every match. Cole is way overpriced for someone who is not likely to get an assist. Defensive midfielders are a waste of space. Attackers who are the main threat for their team and are going to get a lot of the ball. Players who are going to take the freekicks and penalties for their team.

van der Vaart is a good player, but is he going to get many assists? On Dutch team I like a guy like Van Persie who will be amongst the goals if he is not injured. For your big money forward you want someone who is guaranteed to get points, theres something about the way Maradona uses Messi that suggests he might not get as much of the ball as he should. I cant really suggest any players because I have not been looking at the squads, but these are just some offhand ideas. I got lucky and won my world cup fantasy league last time but I dont think I will play this time.


Thanks much for you input Geraint, awsome, I'm playing with other Americans (and some Brits) so this info will teach us about the game... Very Happy

Seems like the strategy is allot like American football fantasy leagues then...
smarauder68

I'm in a fantasy league with a salary cap of 100 mil...you can select 15 players.  The WC is broken down into stages....stage 1 is the 1st week of games...I'm starting the following:

GK- Caesar vs North Korea
D - Lahm vs Australia
D - Marquez vs South Africa
D - Lucio vs North Korea
D - A.Cole vs USA
MF - Donovan vs Eng
MF - Ribery vs Uruguay
MF - Bradley vs Eng
MF - Ozil vs Australia
F - Forlan vs France
F - Fabiano vs North Korea

This gam is quite complicated...you can swap out players from day to day so you have to make sure you don't have too many players on your squad playing the same day or you'll waste a game.
Nolte

kathy wrote:
You might like to check those predictions, Nolte.  You have at least a couple of examples of teams losing in one round appearing in the next round (I noticed Australia and Portugal) Laughing


errors my transcirbing them

i had originally written them out and then transcribing came a problem
Geraint

cadence wrote:

Thanks much for you input Geraint, awsome, I'm playing with other Americans (and some Brits) so this info will teach us about the game... Very Happy

Seems like the strategy is allot like American football fantasy leagues then...


Actually I stopped playing EPL Fantasy and now I only play ESPN American  football fantasy league, less work needed.
smarauder68

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
SM - what happened to Freddy Adu? Has he become the new Sonny Pike? are you going to pick a TDF fantasy team? We need some proper FPs from you. I am like a junkie going Cold Turkey without them.

Dunga has managed to make Brazil the most unBrazilian team ever. Still Nike will be able to spin the usual bullshit myths about Brazil. Living off the hype of 1970.

Still we'll see how the Fuentes treatment works for Spain in South Africa.


Adu is still the most talented and skilled American player, but he fell out of favor with Bradley many years ago...in 2007, he was the best player in the U-20 WC and out-shone the likes of Pato and many others who are now major stars.

His problems are that he is considered a defensive liability because he doesn't work hard enough to track back...Bradley will always choose the more defensive minded MF's like Beasley and Clark ahead of a player like Adu.

Adu just turned 21...I'm not writing him off yet, but he needs a coaching change to get a chancel, I'm afraid.

As for the TDF, its still early days...though its hard to see past Contador winning by 8 minutes or more at this point.

I have a feeling Armstrong will pull a Lemond and retire mid-race when he realizes he can't hang anymore.
cadence

[quote="smarauder68"]
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
SM - what happened to

As for the TDF, its still early days...though its hard to see past Contador winning by 8 minutes or more at this point.

I have a feeling Armstrong will pull a Lemond and retire mid-race when he realizes he can't hang anymore.


Armstrong will have an injury (excuse) and will have to pull out once his ego is insulted too much...LeMond had class, would not compare the two...
Enchantress

[quote="cadence"]
smarauder68 wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
SM - what happened to

As for the TDF, its still early days...though its hard to see past Contador winning by 8 minutes or more at this point.

I have a feeling Armstrong will pull a Lemond and retire mid-race when he realizes he can't hang anymore.


Armstrong will have an injury (excuse) and will have to pull out once his ego is insulted too much...LeMond had class, would not compare the two...


Yeap, we talked about this in another thread. Either TUE will recognize that he's no longer a contender, as the rest of the world (anglo media/paul sherwin/phil liggett excepted) has, and finds an excuse to not enter the race or if he does enter it, when reality (that is, being 8+ minutes back of Contador)  hits him smack on.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Tragic start to the World Cup. Mandela's great grandaughter dies in car crash.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/10290830.stm
Enchantress

Curious if any of you are watching the world cup online somewhere?

I'm not in the UK so BBC's isn't available to me.

Any reliable links?

Justin.tv feeds seem to last 10 minutes at most...
kathy

I just watched the end of the first match on Satellite (in German) - DSF.  I believe they share coverage in Germany with ZDF - all free-to-air.  There should be online coverage available.  Try Justintv.
SAP

Here's a link available in the US, maybe elsewhere

http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?i...a=worldcup2010&size=condensed
Enchantress

Thanks for the suggestions. I ended up going with Univision as I prefer the spanish broadcasts Smile

That France-Uruguay match....not particularly exciting football. Les Blues sure look like they miss a certain #10, while Uruguay were fortunate to not have conceded a goal on that early cross from Ribery.

South Africa lucky to escape with a draw after being outplayed for much of the game. Host countries usually do well, at least well enough to get past the group stages but I'm not sure RSA will. Their keeper is a bad goal waiting to happen.
Mrs John Murphy

I am very pleased to discover that Comrade Ceausescu wasn't executed as previously thought in 1989 but is in fact coaching Mexico.



Ceausescu



Mexico Coach
paperman

F*** those vuvuzelas are annoying!!!! looks like we might get a few goals in todays first game.
Mrs John Murphy

How fucking shit are the Greeks. It is like watching a poor quality Bolton. Pass, pass, punt, lose possession, foul, pass pass, punt, lose possession, foul - and repeat.
kathy

How did the Greeks manage to qualify - no defence, and their passing into the penalty area is dreadful?  I thought the Koreans were supposed to be the no-hopers in this group.
SAP

paperman wrote:
F*** those vuvuzelas are annoying!!!! looks like we might get a few goals in todays first game.


I wonder how annoying it is for the players.  I noticed many fans in the stands wearing hearing protection, some with those large noise cancelling headphones.  I don't think I could stand it--bad enough on the TV.  May need to use the dreaded closed captioning by the time this is over, except that would mean I'd actually have to WATCH the screen full time instead of listening for the commentators to get that high pitched shrillness in their voices when the action heats up.
Mrs John Murphy

It would be exceptionally funny for England to lose, and I do dislike the whole flag-waving-sell-you-beer/TV/newspaper-fest that these championships have become of late.

I can't bring myself to cheer for racists like Lampard and Terry, nor for Ashley Cole who thinks £70,000 per week is too little, nor granny-shagger Rooney.
Boogerd_Fan

well - you were spared from this in 2008 when England failed to qualify... maybe its 4 years worth of cheap merchandise and tacky chest thumping to catch up with?

totally toothless tonight. Rooney, Lamps were they even playing?? Green's gaff is gonna be 'the moment' from this championship... other than that... business as usual.. i'd put this as a 1-1 on the office sweepstakes half expecting england to royally f*** it up. Glad to see they didn't let me down.

Slovakia - New Zealand on Tuesday.. c'mon!!!!
SAP

Quote:
totally toothless tonight. Rooney, Lamps were they even playing??


Believe Rooney's 'toothless' play was, in some part, due to the defense from DeMerit and good goal keeping from Howard, no?
CapeRoadie

Will Green be dead by morning?
Enchantress

CapeRoadie wrote:
Will Green be dead by morning?


If he were from playing for a different side, say, Colombia, he very well could be. Horrendous as that is.

Green will be the talk of this world cup in England I imagine, for some time. And the other players on the squad might well not be too displeased as quite a few of them looked terrible (Carragher for example) and Green's howler might save them some scrutiny.
mr shifter

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
well - you were spared from this in 2008 when England failed to qualify... maybe its 4 years worth of cheap merchandise and tacky chest thumping to catch up with?

totally toothless tonight. Rooney, Lamps were they even playing?? Green's gaff is gonna be 'the moment' from this championship... other than that... business as usual.. i'd put this as a 1-1 on the office sweepstakes half expecting england to royally f*** it up. Glad to see they didn't let me down.

Slovakia - New Zealand on Tuesday.. c'mon!!!!

Yeh the all blacks to win. Rolling Eyes
Well you should win the Dauphine.

Football, sorry I cannot bear to watch this now.
However I did come in for a cuppa and saw some of it. pathetic.

From what I saw I couldn't help thinking that if Stanley Matthews had been playing in his usual position over there he would have been down that line without any opposition. Many times tonight 3/4 of the field had no player on it.
I was a fairly regular Chelsea man and remember Stan almost being crippled at the bridge by the young guns who another year did win the FA Cup. (oh yes I was at Wembley for the 2-2 draw)
I say this because Leeds took no prisoners either and when Alan Clarke scored a goal he just raised his finger and went straight to the kick off line.
What I saw was like a childrens game when they all chase around where ever the ball is. It's called kick and hope.

Boogey is right that this is going to be another week or so of anguish and then once again it will be "we were so unlucky that what if".

Now don't bother to tell me that the Germans usually start badly and finish up in yet another final as I've suffered too many Football World Cups. They always seem to have organisation that was missing tonight. pathetic.
cardinal guzman

I had a fiver on USA to win, basically because they are a better side than Eggland at present. They were unlucky last night - Carragher and Gerrard should have both been sent off in the second half.

Gerrard and Lampard cannot play in the same team, Heskey is a loser and Rooney the saviour of England? Talked up shrek-faced fat midget twat - he's shit against a well-drilled defence.
Bartali

A lot of blame heaped on green, but who was the England defender who gave the guy 3 meters of space!!!  Like many have said above ... England are over paid, under-skilled and unfit.  Absolutely no hope of winning this WC.  What's more to say other than ....

ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA
Boogerd_Fan

http://yfrog.com/2ozitj

hahahaha - its like a spot the difference... spot the FAIL!?
Mrs John Murphy

We know which paper SM is working for now
MAILLOT JAUNE

Someone did say on tv today, that maybe "if England had just scored a few more goals, they would have won".

You can't blame the goalie - yeah it was a mistake, but if the rest of the team had done their job then one slip up wouldn't have mattered
thunderthighs

beckham look worried on the bench.. i too woudl be ..
when your team has trouble in all areas..

and a goalie that has grease on his fingers..

ciao
Enchantress

I'm not English or a particular English supporter....but I haven't known the supporters of many other sides who always make as many excuses.

It is as if England are expected to be class of the tournament from the get go. Whereas it always seems to me in the 6 or 7 world cups I've watched, that the sum of the parts is never as good as many make them out to be.
smarauder68

Hey MJM, You still think England have better keepers than USA?  

Capello is a 6 million pound bust of a manager so far. Bob Bradley makes roughly 1/20th of what Capello makes and he out-foxed the so-called genius.

Bradley's son, Michael outplayed Lampard by most accounts.

Was nice to see Onyewu getting back to form for the USA.

By the way, is Carragher THAT slow or is Jozy Altidore that strong and fast?  My god, Carragher made him look like Adrian Peterson going around the Bears in that 08 game at Soldier Field....I never knew Carragher was that bad....in his first 25 minutes on the pitch, he should been booked twice and beatn for the winning goal.  

All in all, England still have a better team than USA but it was nice to see their fans humbled for at least a week.

Altidore shoulda scored twice and was dissapointing from my perspective.
cardinal guzman

Carragher is like a man in treacle - a dirty big slow motion red card waiting to happen. Was Lampard even at the game? I didn't hear his name mentioned - because he's always fucking absent when he plays for England the soft southern nancy. England need to drop him and get Barry on, then at least captain roid rage Gerrard can try and support the fat gnome up front. SWP doesn't belong in a world cup team - or at least in one that hopes to go anywhere but home.

Sorry Bart, the best player for Italy was the ref tonight - they're as shit as England.
Mrs John Murphy

Now, now SM. Don't play fast and loose with the facts. You claimed there were more not better US keepers playing in the EPL.

Howard is ok as long as he keeps on his tourettes medicine.

England are not very good - simple as. The US though couldn't beat a poor England team.

I did enjoy seeing Tim Cahill in tears.

What there hasn't been so far has been a really exciting flowing game - so far it has been very cagey, very negative, other than the games which have been one-sided like the Germany game.

I am sure that the Mexican ref will get lots more games from FIFA - FIFA likes nothing more than a shit card-happy ref.

SM - can we have some more FPs, or are you busy working on your TDF predictions?
SlowRower

Enchantress wrote:
I'm not English or a particular English supporter....but I haven't known the supporters of many other sides who always make as many excuses.

It is as if England are expected to be class of the tournament from the get go. Whereas it always seems to me in the 6 or 7 world cups I've watched, that the sum of the parts is never as good as many make them out to be.


There's a huge different between the media's portrayal of England's chances and the depth of the post-mishap rationalisation / excuse making and the views held by the fans.

There will doubtless be a few young or delusional otimistics who think that England are going to win, but the overwhelming majority of England followers are under no illusion as to the limitations of the side and the associated prospects.

The usual quarter final performance would be a fair return (i.e. ranked near the top 10 but one of the seeded teams), although the way the draw opens up if England get past the last 16 (i.e. beat or avoid Germany) then there's not much quality before the semis. Shades of 1990, where the might of Belgium and Cameroon were seen off after group stages. Shades even of 2006, where despite being crap England got to within a penalty shoot-out of the semis, having beaten only Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago and Ecudaor.

The only certainty with England is that there will be some self-inflicted misery before a sad exit. Smile
Mrs John Murphy

Fuck me. The Slovaks got exactly what they deserved for being so negative over the last 20 minutes.
Boogerd_Fan

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Fuck me. The Slovaks got exactly what they deserved for being so negative over the last 20 minutes.


Sad Sad

totally gutted.
paperman

Another two games that were just above being stinkers!

Hopefully we will see a few goals tonight, assuming the supreme leader permits Brazil to emerge victorious.
Boogerd_Fan

Lots of jokes @ work today about how the Korean team will be playing for their lives - literally.
Mrs John Murphy

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Fuck me. The Slovaks got exactly what they deserved for being so negative over the last 20 minutes.


Sad Sad

totally gutted.


They got very complacent and took their foot off the pedal. NZ were, to be honest poor. But after about 70 mins it was as if the Slovaks lost all interest in attacking.

This will come back and bite them because I can't see Paraguay or Italy dropping points to NZ.
Bartali

cardinal guzman wrote:
Sorry Bart, the best player for Italy was the ref tonight - they're as shit as England.

Was working so missed it all - probably not a bad thing by all accounts!
Boogerd_Fan

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Fuck me. The Slovaks got exactly what they deserved for being so negative over the last 20 minutes.


Sad Sad

totally gutted.


They got very complacent and took their foot off the pedal. NZ were, to be honest poor. But after about 70 mins it was as if the Slovaks lost all interest in attacking.

This will come back and bite them because I can't see Paraguay or Italy dropping points to NZ.


Indeed - meaning that we can only qualify on the unlikely event of getting something out of BOTH remaining games.
smarauder68

Fascinating stuff in the Brazil/North Korea game...Did anyone see the "actors" North Korea had flown in to play the part of their fans?

Apparently, North Korea doesn't allow its own citizens to travel, so they flew in 100 Chinese to play the part of their fans.

Classic!  Smile

I laughed my ass off when I heard that!

Also Martin Tyler(Doing lead play by play for ESPN) cracked me up when announced in the 65th min: "now the moment I've been dreading...Park han Chul comes on...he's the 2nd player of that name...dear me, how am I gonna distinguish the 2 of them?"

I love that North Korea have made the world cup!  They're the best thing about this World Cup so far....Smile
SlowRower

World Cup joke...

England fans can sleep easily, as Rob Green has demonstrated his sharpness between the posts following today's training session. He was subjected to a barrage of over 500 shots from an international striker for several hours and didn't concede a single goal.

Tomorrow, both Green and Emile Heskey will train with the main squad.
Enchantress

Am I the only one who is finding this to be one of the more dull WC's in recent memory?

Some say it is because of the ball or ha, even the vuvuzela's, but I'm not buying it.


Soooo many sides playing negative, dull football. That North Korea were playing 10 behind the ball I suppose is not shocking but other, more talented sides, like the Ivory Coast using similar strategy is drab.

I can't recall a WC with fewer goals scored in recent years than this one.
Mrs John Murphy

I think the thing is that a lot of teams have been very defensive early on simply because they are scared of losing their first games. Lose your first game, so teams have been very cautious.

Also, a lot of teams like Brazil, Spain etc are playing two defensive midfielders.

The problem is that the stakes have become so high that teams are going in favour of defensive, negative, conservative tactics.

In part because those kind of tactics have been successful in recent years - Brazil since 1994, France, Italy etc, were all very negative teams who relied on one moment of glory to carry them to victory.

It's like watching any Mourinho coached team or Arsenal under George Graham.
berck

Enchantress wrote:
Am I the only one who is finding this to be one of the more dull WC's in recent memory?

Some say it is because of the ball or ha, even the vuvuzela's, but I'm not buying it.


I thought the vuvuzelas where making it more exciting. Wink
Boogerd_Fan

Agreed.

The WC in a 32 teams round robin stage never lives up to much... it inevitably boils down to a) can the minnows hang on with 10 men behind the ball vs. b) can the seeded nations break them down.

Chile earlier today were a warm example of some good passages of play... and do i regret to say - the Germans played it around very well.

I think the second set of matches we'll see some more attacking games - we have to!  Knockout stages should be good too.
Enchantress

I suppose I rather fancy Arsenal under Wenger more than Graham Smile

I agree that in recent years, or at least since the 1990's, we've seen more negative, conservative tactics from many sides.

Still, this WC is setting low marks for goals by a considerable margin....even for the group stages. I expect the true minnows like North Korea to play solely to defend/draw, but other sides like the Ivory Coast with some quality played their first matches in similar fashion. Then we had the swiss today with their approach....defend, defend, defend for 89-1/2 minutes, get one chance, take it....win.

At least Germany gave us the one bit of attractive football so far - not something many imagined but  there you have it.

I hope once the group stage is over, that we'll see some quality football
kathy

Looks like Germany to me - the rest of the so-called favourites have all been rubbish.  Was very disappointed with Spain today.  I wouldn't play Xavi again - I didn't see any of his passes go where they were supposed to.
smarauder68

SlowRower wrote:
World Cup joke...

England fans can sleep easily, as Rob Green has demonstrated his sharpness between the posts following today's training session. He was subjected to a barrage of over 500 shots from an international striker for several hours and didn't concede a single goal.

Tomorrow, both Green and Emile Heskey will train with the main squad.


For all the flak Heskey is taking for his shot into Howard's gut, keep in mind, he set up England's only goal by holding off Demerit at the top of the box and providing a perfectly weighted pass to Gerrard for the goal.  He also won a ton of balls in the air..I'm no sure Dafoe or Crouch would fare any better to be honest.

Heskey was England's man of the match against the USA.  Most keepers woulda spilled his shot and Rooney was ready to pounce.
SlowRower

smarauder68 wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
World Cup joke...

England fans can sleep easily, as Rob Green has demonstrated his sharpness between the posts following today's training session. He was subjected to a barrage of over 500 shots from an international striker for several hours and didn't concede a single goal.

Tomorrow, both Green and Emile Heskey will train with the main squad.


For all the flak Heskey is taking for his shot into Howard's gut, keep in mind, he set up England's only goal by holding off Demerit at the top of the box and providing a perfectly weighted pass to Gerrard for the goal.  He also won a ton of balls in the air..I'm no sure Dafoe or Crouch would fare any better to be honest.

Heskey was England's man of the match against the USA.  Most keepers woulda spilled his shot and Rooney was ready to pounce.


Heskey's play in the lead up to Gerrard's goal was indeed very impressive. He should have done better with his chance though - wellying it straight at the goalie and hoping for a lucky rebound probably won't ever be the #1 tactical choices in such circumstances, though.

Heskey's "value" has always been that he brings out the best in others - first Owen and now Rooney. It doesn't help that Rooney is very subdued at the moment, so there's not a lot of Heskey to bring out.

I'd play Crouch instead of Heskey, as he does at least score goals and this WC needs his dancing! The word on the street is that Defoe is going to play, though.
SlowRower

kathy wrote:
Looks like Germany to me - the rest of the so-called favourites have all been rubbish.


Germany have peaked too early. They will win they're group in style before spluttering to a halt in the last 16 and being routed by a newly revitalised England...Smile

Argentina looked bored rather than rubbish to me. I fancy they will go a long way. I wouldn't rule Italy out either. Despite supposedly being "too old", there are 7 squads out there with a higher average age, including England.

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