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Mrs John Murphy

World Cup Draw

Can you smell the fix? Nike couldn't have picked the draw better. Make sure all the big TV and advertising nations have a nice comfy draw.

I'd laugh my fucking arse off if England's bunch of over-rated, racist, rapist, druggy show-ponies get bounced straight out.

I'll book my holiday for the first couple of weeks of the tournament so I can avoid all the twats with St George's flags and Carling special offers...
Enchantress

Here are the results of the draw:

Group A
South Africa
Mexico
Uruguay
France
(I'd pick France & Mexico here)

Group B
Argentina
Nigeria
South Korea
Greece
(I'd take Argentina & the Super Eagles in this group)

Group C
England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia
(talk about England & a bunch of minnows, I'd pick the USA for 2nd here)

Group D
Germany
Australia
Serbia
Ghana
(Germany & Serbia for this group)

Group E
The Netherlands
Denmark
Japan
Cameroon
(Holland & Cameroon)

Group F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia
(Italy & Paraguay)

Group G
Brazil
North Korea
Ivory Coast
Portugal
(Brazil & Portugal)

Group H
Spain
Switzerland
Honduras
Chile
(Spain & Chile)

So that would make for a 2nd round of:
France, Mexico, Argentina, Nigeria, England, USA, Germany, Serbia, Holland Cameroon, Italy, Paraguay, Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Chile.

The best African side, the Ivory Coast will probably not even get through the group stages. A lot like the last WC now that I remember.
Drongo

D, E and G look like the nasty groups.

Spain must be delighted with their draw.
Enchantress

Drongo wrote:
D, E and G look like the nasty groups.

Spain must be delighted with their draw.


Perhaps in the first round sure but in the second round they will certainly be facing Brazil or Portugal. Maybe not such a good draw for them.
Nolte

i don't really think there's a group of death
Mrs John Murphy

Well there is not enough money in an African team winning the competition for Nike. And besides their sweat-shop workers might start to protest.

I see that the English have already started to under-rate their opponents. The US is not taken seriously because it is the US and the use of the term 'soccer'. Algeria because they are African, and Slovenia because they are a small East European state and often confused with Slovakia. The Slovenes beat Russia in the playoffs and were mugged by the referee in a friendly against England. Algeria are no slouches either.
Fontfroide

Nolte wrote:
i don't really think there's a group of death


Surely Brazil, Portugal, Cote d'Ivoire and North Korea is the closest there is.  Bad break for cote d'Ivoire, they have some spectacular players.  Might even beat one of the top two.

The French are liking their draw, cautiously, since they are so bad at present anyone could beat them on a given day.
kathy

I would think Italy are pretty pleased.
Enchantress

Fontfroide wrote:
Nolte wrote:
i don't really think there's a group of death


Surely Brazil, Portugal, Cote d'Ivoire and North Korea is the closest there is.  Bad break for cote d'Ivoire, they have some spectacular players.  Might even beat one of the top two.

The French are liking their draw, cautiously, since they are so bad at present anyone could beat them on a given day.


Yes, unfortunate for the Ivory Coast. The best african side but put in a draw with 2 squads that are likely even better (depending on which version of Cristian Ronaldo shows up).

I would think most of the african countries have to be disappointed with the draw. It seems every WC there is a great deal of talk about how much the african sides have advanced & what a threat they are, but for a variety of reasons, it has not resulted in a finals appearence yet.

Certainly the sponsors would prefer to see the traditional squads in the finals as it is likely far more lucrative. On the pitch from what I know via friends in Cameroon & Nigeria, there is a tremendous lack of funds & resources for many of the african sides at home. Not to mention risks for their international european based stars in these competitions. Hardly a comprehensive explanation but that's what I've been told.

Meanwhile Italy as Kathy said, should be no doubt be quite pleased with their draw for an aging side that's down on quality from last WC.
paperman

I think I'll back Ivory Coast for a shock result. Love to see it happen and they have a good squad.
Bartali

Fix!  England have a good manager for a change and will probably do reasonably well.

What I really want to see is France go straight out!!!
Enchantress

Come now Bartali, let's be honest here - English supporters obsess about tactics, strategems, and formations. But it does not change the fact that oftentimes the 11 on the field are simply not as good as the top international sides.

No doubt Capello is far, far better than Mclaren, I wont even get into that. The problem I think goes back to the players. Will they get decent play in net from their keepers? Who will score the goals? Is Rooney going to lose his head again? Will they ever get a midfield rotation that is reliably successful? At times during qualification the answers to these questions have been clear, but not always.

I think the equation gets sketchy when one looks upon the EPL as being the best league and therefore the english side as being potentially outstanding.

I'm not saying you are or think that, but these are some of the reasons I feel the English so frequently disappoint many of their supporters at the world cup.

France could easily go straight out, unless of course the 'hand of Henry' provides them with a winner in extra time!
Mrs John Murphy

No, all English fans care about is re-living world war two, a bit of xenophobic nationalism and 'passion'.

The Granny Shagger and the Nanny Shagger are both busy working out what shitty tattoos to get, Fat Fwank is busy planning his ring/badge kissing celebration and everyone's favourite racist must be looking forward to harrassing some new referees, and he's got some Muslims and Americans to abuse as well...
Bartali

I think most would agree that I'm anything but a xenophobic England fan.  I just think England will do 'reasonably' well this time because, amongst other things, they have a decent manager.  Not suggesting for one minute that I want them to do well!

It'll come as no surprise that I'll be cheering on my beloved Azzuri. I also like to see the Scandinavians and ex 'Yugoslavs' do well.
Boogerd_Fan

Another thing - I'd say that the English will be acclimatized to South Africa maybe quicker than most other teams, due to the presence of the British culture there in the first place.

The draw does favour them.. it could be false hope though, especially when the hype machine will start rolling closer to kick off.

****************************

Group F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia

(Italy & Paraguay)


News in Slovakia is one of quiet content, with a draw that allowed them to avoid more than one "big name" which is the best scenario they could have hoped for.

As part of the 4th pot, they play the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the group before facing Italy in the last match.

Paraguay & New Zealand are no feather weights, but then I wouldn't class them in the same light as some of the potential teams that could've been drawn out of their respective pots.

Recent wins:
1-0 vs. USA
1-0 vs. Poland away

and a stable, but young, attacking team is complimented by cool heads at the back in Skrtel (Liverpool) and Durica (L. Moscow).

The coach has a policy to pick players who are playing either abroad or within the champions league / europa cup, so big game play is not going to be something new to them.

I can see tight games ahead, but sneaking in past Paraguay is certainly not beyond this group of players. I think last 16 is a real possibility, and would be another miracle for the coach Weiss, who has previously taken Artmedia Petrzalka to the Champions League group stage (famously beating Celtic 5-0,  Porto (then champions) 3-2 away, and coming mightily close against Juventus)

Coming through a group (as Slovenia did) with Poland, Czech Republic & Northern Ireland all in the running too, the Slovaks should not be underestimated!

I saw already the BBC write them off as the minnows of the group. This is NOT the case!
Jackov

Friday night I witnessed a $20 wager that Ivory Coast would win the World cup.  


As near as I can tell the American soccer-industrial complex is very pleased to get a game with England...cha-ching
Spoo

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
No, all English fans care about is re-living world war two, a bit of xenophobic nationalism and 'passion'.


Nothing quite like a massive generalisation eh? Smile

England will probably struggle to produce anything sparkling in the group stages, particularly with a so called 'easy' group (remember those dreadful performances against Paraguay & Trindiad & Tobago in 2006).

They'll likely progress and get to the quarters (assuming the Germans don't have a mare and come 2nd in their group), who knows with Capello we may even make the semis.

The problem is we will be undone by a technically more gifted side in the later rounds, a side that knows how to keep the ball effectively in the later stages of a tiring tournament when games may go to extra time. The break neck pace of English football doesn't really translate too well to internationals and while England have done well in qualifying we have been shown up somewhat by sides like Spain in friendlies who have true ball players like Xavi, Iniesta & Alonso.
SlowRower

England have two problems as I see it...

1. They will probably be knackered / carrying injuries from the domestic season and thus, as always, sub-par in the major tournaments.

2. They don't have it "up top". In the 2006 QF against Portugal, time without number, the back four and midfield would pass the ball neatly between each other and then with no opposition player pressuring them, just hoof the ball away. Nowt to do with technique, but everything to do with what's between the ears.

If they overcome 1 and 2, then technique will become an issue, but I don't think it will go that far.

Another QF exit beckons.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Fix!  England have a good manager for a change and will probably do reasonably well.

What I really want to see is France go straight out!!!


That is not like you Bartali, to have three exclamation points after a wish for a team to go out.  Although I suppose the French and the Brits are old pals and old enemies historically in many domains.  I shall, of course, hear a lot about the French, and most likely support them to go through.  I have grown rather fond of them,or some of them, over the years.  Surely you are not upset about a referee who can't see a foul when everyone else can?  And you surely cannot think they "deserve" to lose on account one player who handled the ball (not the first time this has happened in important games, as all French sports people have reminded us with long lists of bad refereeing decisions or players breaking rules without being caught).  

Is there some deeper reason you dislike the French team.  I doubt they will win anything much, but why such bad wishes?  I figure they will get to the quarters and that is about it.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
Is there some deeper reason you dislike the French team?


I would guess that it's just a reflection of the fact that as a nation, we've been at war with the French for a lot of the last 1000 years, and in the days before low-cost airlines and easy communications, France was the only country close enough with which to engage in abuse.

France is my second favourite country in all sporting events. My main wish is that they fall flat on their faces in humilation circumstances (e.g. World Cup 2002) but failing that, I like them to do well, as they generally do things with a style and panache that the English just can't manage. (
There is no finer sight than the French rugby team in full flow, yet also nothing better than seeing them "fail to turn up" as at Twickenham earlier this year.)

Henry's handball was classy and even Zidane's headbutt in 2006 seemed to generate some sympathy, unlike Rooney's boot in Carvalho's b*llocks.
Spoo

SlowRower wrote:
England have two problems as I see it...

1. They will probably be knackered / carrying injuries from the domestic season and thus, as always, sub-par in the major tournaments.

2. They don't have it "up top". In the 2006 QF against Portugal, time without number, the back four and midfield would pass the ball neatly between each other and then with no opposition player pressuring them, just hoof the ball away. Nowt to do with technique, but everything to do with what's between the ears.

If they overcome 1 and 2, then technique will become an issue, but I don't think it will go that far.

Another QF exit beckons.


Agree on point 1, a mid-season winter breaks is needed (even if its only in even years when we have Euros/WC).

By technique I meant something as simple as passing to a team mate and that team mate controling the pass and looking up to play another short pass to another team mate and looking to break down their defence with clever passes, rather than a dodgy first touch followed by a panicked hoof upfield (Ithink we're on the same lines but explain it differently).

The way Spain took England apart in a friendly a couple of years ago and by extension Barcelona took United apart in last years CL final.

To phrase it your way a large amount of it is 'up top.' Its a mentality to pass and move and to always look for the ball and when you get it to look up for a team mate. Most English players don't have the technique to do it now though as they have only played one way their whole career.
SlowRower

Spoo,

Agree, based on your definition of technique.

Much easier for the players to go for a long ball and give the ball away near the oppo's penalty area than to risk being dispossed in their own half.
Fontfroide

SlowRower wrote:
My main wish is that they fall flat on their faces in humilation circumstances (e.g. World Cup 2002) but failing that, I like them to do well, as they generally do things with a style and panache that the English just can't manage. (


No one should be allowed to wish such a humiliation and embarrassment twice!  Especially since you like them.  Be a bit like hoping that Evans and Sastre do as badly in the Tour as this year.  Unkind, I say.  Not "fair play" as the French say.

Still, while everyone says it is a good group for France, meaning they should whup the rest and finish first, it would be deeply embarrassing to blow it completely.  Having said that, most French people reckon the French team could blow anything, lose to anyone on a given day.  And on the other hand, beat anyone as well.   Beating the Faroe Islands by one goal!!!  The Faroe islands is full of amateurs and I only think there are as many people there as some very small provincial city.  50,000.  And France beats them one nil?
fede40

kathy wrote:
I would think Italy are pretty pleased.

Paraguay is a better side than most think. but no doubt that we are rather pleased.

Shame Lippi will leave the best talents (who also happen to be the two most unrealiable charachters of Serie A: Cassano and Balotelli) of the country to watch the tournament back home, taking with him useless juve players such as Amauri (as soon as his passport will be ready - march, I believe) and Del Piero (star with the big cheats, but absolutely useless every time he's worn the Azzurri jersey).

will be happily on our way back after the first knock out round.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Fix!  England have a good manager for a change and will probably do reasonably well.

What I really want to see is France go straight out!!!


That is not like you Bartali, to have three exclamation points after a wish for a team to go out.


It is the Henry thing I'm afraid.  The game is a mockery when a player can blatantly cheat with absolutely no repercussions.  At the expense of the Irish the French players will make a lot of money; the french football association make a lot of money and the french fans have a good time.  It can't be right - talk about sporting fraud!

I'm not anti french, but football is a joke and it is so easy to clean up.  Ban Henry and take all the TV money and other cash from the French association.  You could stop this cheating oh so easily.  Same if it were England or anyone else!
SAP

All I want out of this WC is for those effing whistles/kazoos to be banned from the stadium.
ventoux

Bartali wrote:
At the expense of the Irish the French players will make a lot of money; the french football association make a lot of money


Domenech received an 800 grand bonus for qualifying.... hope he's given a big chunk of it to Thierry... Rolling Eyes
Bartali

Its a f***ing disgrace.
Mrs John Murphy

Where is SM to give us his fearless predictions of US glory?
smarauder68

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Where is SM to give us his fearless predictions of US glory?


USA will shock England and then promptly lose to Slovenia and Algeria....No glory for the red, white and blue this time.

Too many injuries(Onyewu, Davies) and not enough of quality.


England will be lucky to get out of the group with stiffs like Lampard and Gerrard hogging up places in the starting 11. There must be some more athletic players somewhere who qualify for England.

Bobby Zamora looks like the best striker England can call on....looking ahead 6 months:

England:


...................................Hart...................................

Richards...........Ferdinand.............Terry.........A.Cole

...............................Barry....................................

..........Gerrard..........Lampard...........Young

.....................Rooney...........Zamora................


Subs: Defoe, Beckham, Green, Bent, Aglonwhore, J.Cole, Lescott


USA:


...................................Howard................................

Cherundolo.......Demerrit..........Onyweu........Bocanegra

..................R.Clark................Bradley..........................

..........Dempsey.....................................Holden........

........................Donovan...........Altidore.................


Subs: Bornstein, Beasley, Adu, Ching, Casey, Guzan
ventoux

smarauder68 wrote:
Aglonwhore....


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

(Gabriel Agbonlahor)
smarauder68

ventoux wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Aglonwhore....


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

(Gabriel Agbonlahor)


You like that spelling? I figure he's the player Wenger hopes Walcott turns into....
ventoux

smarauder68 wrote:
ventoux wrote:
smarauder68 wrote:
Aglonwhore....


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

(Gabriel Agbonlahor)


You like that spelling?


Love it! He'll always be AnglonWhore to me from now on  Very Happy
thunderthighs

england has kac shit..italians are starting trouble before the even start.... urguay is my dark horse..

ciao

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