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| Mrs John Murphy |
World ChampionshipsTrying to get maps and profiles and teams. If others can post teams and line ups as they come across them this would be great.Road Race 
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Link I can't find any maps or profiles for the TT |
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| MAILLOT JAUNE |
Australia's line up from cn:
Elite Men 1. Jack Bobridge (Garmin Cervelo) TT 2. Simon Clarke (Astana) RR 3. Baden Cooke (Saxo Bank) RR 4. Simon Gerrans (Team Sky) RR 5. Matthew Goss (HTC-Highroad) RR 6. Heinrich Haussler (Garmin-Cervelo) RR 7. Mathew Hayman (Team Sky) RR 8. Stuart O'Grady OAM (Leopard Trek) RR 9. Richie Porte (Saxo Bank) TT 10. Michael Rogers (Team Sky) RR 11. Chris Sutton (Team Sky) RR Reserves * Adam Hansen (Omega Pharma-Lotto) RR * Mark Renshaw (HTC-Highroad) RR Elite Women 1. Shara Gillow (Team Jayco AIS) (Oceania RR & TT Champion) RR & TT 2. Rochelle Gilmore (Lotto Honda) RR 3. Taryn Heather TT 4. Chloe Hosking (HTC-Highroad Women) RR 5. Jessie Maclean (Verducci Breakaway) RR 6. Carla Ryan (Garmin-Cervelo) RR 7. Amanda Spratt (Team Jayco AIS) RR 8. Vicki Whitelaw (Lotto Honda) RR Reserve * Belinda Goss RR |
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| MAILLOT JAUNE |
From cn:
German team for the World Championships: Elite Men (nine riders for the road and two for the TT event): Marcus Burghardt (BMC), Gerald Ciolek (Quick Step), John Degenkolb, Tony Martin, Bert Grabsch (all HTC-Highroad), Danilo Hondo (Lampre), Marcel Kittel (Skil-Shimano), Andreas Klier (Garmin), Christian Knees (Sky), Paul Martens (Rabobank), Marcel Sieberg, André Greipel (both Lotto), Robert Wagner, Fabian Wegmann (both Leopard). Elite Women (7 road and 2 TT): Judith Arndt, Charlotte Becker, Ina-Yoko Teutenberg (all HTC-Highroad Women), Lisa Brennauer (Hitec Products - UCK), Sarah Düster (Nederland Boeit), Claudia Häusler (Diadora - Pasta Zara), Romy Kasper (Kuota Speed Kueens), Anna Bianca Schnitzmeier (Abus-Nutrixxion), Trixi Worrack (AA Drink - Leontien.Nl Cycling Team). Men U-23 (6 Road and 2 TT): Bastian Bürgel, Yannick Mayer, Jasha Sütterlin (Thüringer Energie Team), Julian Kern (Seven Stones), Michel Koch (LKT Team Brandenburg), Theo Reinhardt (RG KED-Bianchi Team Berlin), Philipp Ries (Team Heizomat), Rüdiger Selig (RG Jenatec Cycling). Fabian Schnaidt (Team Bergstraße). Men Juniors: (6 road and 2 TT): Pascal Ackermann (Carboo4U Team Rheinland-Pfalz/Saarland), Benjamin Dietrich, Rick Zabel (RSC Turbine Erfurt), Jan Dieteren (Team Fachklinik Dr. Herzog - SV Spark.), Silvio Herklotz (RSV Werner Otto Berlin), Ruben Zepuntke (SG Radschläger Düsseldorf), Yury Vasyliv (RK Endspurt Cottbus). Women Juniors (4 road and 2 TT): Lisa Fischer, Lena Scheiner (beide RV Elxleben), Mieke Kröger (RV Teutoburg Brackwede), Lisa Küllmer (SSG Bensheim), Madeleine Ortmüller (RSB Buchenau), Sarah Scharbach (RV Concordia Reute). |
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| kathy |
Pretty amazed Renshaw is only a reserve - I thought the course might have suited him! | ||||||
| gerry12ie |
Irish Team (from) Roche, Martin, Brammeier (TT & RR), McCann (TT & RR)
U-23 Lavery, English (RR & TT), Sam Bennett Belgian Team De Weert, Gilbert, Kaisen, Leukemans, Lodewyck, Nuyens, Roelandts, Van Avermaet, Vansummeren |
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| kathy |
All the info about the courses etc is here
http://www.copenhagen2011.dk/inde.../side.php&menu=20&side=64 Start lists and competition programme here http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/U...t.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&LangId=1 |
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| Boogerd_Fan |
Sagan for me. His nous to get in the right wheels in the last few Km, means that it doesnt matter so much that he's only joined by the Velits brothers in Team Slovakia.
At least, thats who i'll be routing for 
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| HuwB |
Italy name a squad of sprinters and puncheurs:
Manuel Belletti and Sacha Modolo (Colnago CSF), Daniele Bennati (Leopard Trek), Oscar Gatto and Giovanni Visconti (Farnese Vini- Neri), Francesco Gavazzi (Lampre ISD), Daniel Oss and Elia Viviani (Liquigas Cannondale), Luca Paolini (Katusha) and Matteo Tosatto (Saxo Bank-SunGard). |
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| gerry12ie |
Spain leave Samu out in a sprinter's squad.
Freire, Rojas, Barredo, Flecha, Erviti, Lastras, Garate, Luis Leon and Vicente Reynes. |
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| Slapshot 3 |
Ickle diddums got a sore tooth and might not make the worlds...no loss there then!!
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...races-worlds-not-yet-certain.aspx
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| kathy |
Can he afford to lose a wisdom tooth? 
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| gerry12ie |
Maybe he was trying to get one put in? |
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| Nolte |
and they left Guardini out of the under 23's to make up a quote "that bridge on the course will make him suffer" |
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| Biosphere |
GB announce their various squads
Elite Men's Road Race: Mark Cavendish, Steve Cummings, Chris Froome, Jeremy Hunt, David Millar, Ian Stannard, Geraint Thomas and Bradley Wiggins Elite Men's Time Trial: David Millar and Bradley Wiggins Elite Women's Road Race: Lizzie Armitstead, Katie Colclough, Nicole Cooke, Catherine Williamson (nee Hare), Sharon Laws, Lucy Martin and Emma Pooley Elite Women's Time Trial: Emma Pooley U23 Men's Road Race: Mark Christian, Andy Fenn, Luke Rowe, Erick Rowsell, Scott Thwaites and Simon Yates U23 Men's Time Trial: Mark Christian Junior Men's Road Race: Owain Doull, Jon Dibben, Matthew Holmes, Sam Lowe, Alistair Slater Junior Men's Time Trial: Owain Doull and Jon Dibben Junior Women's Road Race: Elinor Baker, Hannah Barnes, Lucy Garner, Amy Roberts Junior Women's Time Trial: Elinor Barker and Hannah Barnes |
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| Biosphere |
So out of curiosity is there a cut off between junior and U23, or is it just about stepping up when ready?
I thought I had found a gap in the FP market for Phinney in the U23 ITT, but seems like he's not on start list. Going for the Elite instead? |
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| Beasley |
Professionals are restricted to Elite races, regardless of age. | ||||||
| kathy |
So, who is Eleanor Barker, who has just won a silver for GB in Women Junior TT? | ||||||
| Biosphere |
It's finished already? 
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| HuwB |
Blimey, there's been some very inexperienced stuff happening at the start of this blokes U23 ITT. | ||||||
| kathy |
U23 ?? That Russian sitting on the podium looks about 40
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| Biosphere |
Just been looking at the start times for this afternoon. They're really stretching the day out - seems a bit odd in that it gives the weather more chance to make a lottery of it. | ||||||
| HuwB |
Hepburn was going like a train.
Over cooks one corner, then repeats the error and comes down. 90 seconds between riders seems about right to me. A lot of riders in this field.
He's exactly half that! |
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| Biosphere |
If I read it right, there seem to be 4 half hour breaks which was what I was a bit surprised about. I only ever recall big breaks like that on mountain ITTs when support vehicles are getting 'trapped' at the top, but I don't usually pay a lot of attention to this things so maybe it's more normal than I thought? |
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| HuwB |
Harmon gave the "breaks" as 7 minutes. It is going on a bit, though. Still, it's better than nowt and I'm more or less stuck in and the weather is foul (not as bad as Prato, yesterday, though) Miffed over Elinor B earlier, cos she's from Cerdiff and was going to ride for Abergavenny ladies at one point. Couldn't KOD her, so I messed up on both 1 and 2. |
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| Biosphere |
I can imagine it's gutting. Lunchtime reading made me realise she was Welsh lass and there was only a 3 second spread on the podium this morning
CN claim 32 minute breaks for this afternoon. |
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| HuwB |
Durbridge's figure from the "reliable" source of the CN forum.
49.4kph and 456 watts......................... ..........maybe that was just for his post race celebrations? |
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| gerry12ie |
Hepburn obviously did very well considering he went down, should have really been an Aussie 1-2 but nice to see a home boy get silver | ||||||
| Biosphere |
Well that's the last time I FP someone on the basis of an amusing sounding name. Australia continue being the team to stuck the pin in when the Ouija board fails.
Junior Men ITT 1 WURTZ SCHMIDT Mads DEN - 35:07.68 2 ORAM James NZL - 35:11.79 3 EDWARDS David AUS - 35:28.47 Edit: Actually, the Danes aren't a bad FP either. Some worthwhile points . . . |
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| HuwB |
1)Arndt
2)Villumsen 3)Pooley 4) Canada 5) Canada |
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| Slapshot 3 |
Brilliant finish to the ladies TT, Emma was phenominal in the end flat course and she still medals....Fantastic 
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| kathy |
TT has started. Roads are wet, and commentators say no-one will get a dry ride today. | ||||||
| Beasley |
I guess Mr Zignoli bought his own ticket? Not the most athletic specimen | ||||||
| maffy |
mr porter wondered what he had for dinner last night. the live timings page: http://static.sportresult.com/federations/uci/CR2011/ |
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| kathy |
Castroviejo has gone quite nicely - I wondered why he was such an early starter. | ||||||
| gerry12ie |
Martin seems to have ze turbo fitted today - vorsprung durch technik as they say... | ||||||
| Slapshot 3 |
Borrowed Spartacus' batteries as well....!! 
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| Mrs John Murphy |
LOL @ Gypsy Killer.
Nothing 'eyebrow raising' about that performance. |
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| SlowRower |
Wiggo takes the lead, but Martin and Cancellara, still to finish and well ahead at the time-checks.
Good to see Wiggo riding a gear he can actually turn today!! |
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| SlowRower |
Cancellara fading a bit. Could be tight for 2nd as Wiggo finished like a train.
We just need Martin to hit a manhole cover... |
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| SlowRower |
Martin home safely. Cancellara into the barriers after a speed-wobble! Back up and running though. | ||||||
| SlowRower |
Silver for Wiggo.
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| gerry12ie |
The King is dead but that's been on the cards for about two years now. We await young Durbridge to put it up to Martin | ||||||
| Mrs John Murphy |
Gold when the test results come back? That race was a fucking farce. |
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| SlowRower |
Take out Martin - either because he's doped or simply just miles ahead - and there was a cracking race between Wiggo, Grabsch and Cancellara who went for different pacing strategies. The race had everything - an IP by Bobridge, who obviously forgot that there was an extra 40k today and a sprint finsih between Bobridge and Brajkovic. |
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| Fontfroide |
I was quite struck by the Phinney/Talansky duo too, also quite young for the USA. Both still kids, but ready to move up. When you have been around for a few decades, the transitions become no big deal, so much a part of life's rich pageant. Love watching the young guys move up. |
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| HuwB |
Had to play catch up.
Wiggo the biggest surprise. Canc got ragged and it cost a packet. Martin is just on another level. |
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| SlowRower |
Why is Wiggo's performance a surprise? I'd have thought a pan-flat course would be ideal for him and he was a similar time behind Martin as he was in the Vuelta. In fact, one might have expected Wiggo to do relatively better here as Martin was coasting other than the TTs in the Vuelta whereas Wiggo was riding for the GC and was presumably less rested than Martin. Cancellara might have been expected to do better, but he's not been his usual self this season so Wiggo beating him isn't a real surprise. |
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| HuwB |
Well, I wasn't expecting it. Thought he might be a bit tired. 3rd ITT in a row that Brad had beaten Fab, so, not surprising, then Fastest ever World ITT by Martin. I'm obviously posting without thinking. Whatever. |
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| SlowRower |
I was hoping for a strong performance from Wiggo today rather than expecting it. I guess it's only really unsurprising after the event. Mind you, him doing badly wouldn't have been a surprise either, in which case I'd have said he was tired after the Vuelta.
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| Biosphere |
I do get quite cross these days when I see someone I'm 99% sure is doping win. | ||||||
| Mrs John Murphy |
How cross are you after that ITT? |
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| berck |
Much wider margin of victory than his stage 20 TdF result of seven seconds over Evans... Hmmm.... | ||||||
| gerry12ie |
I thought he would be good for up to 30 seconds but that, as MJM would say, was taking the piss. Did anyone think Fabian was slightly undergeared? | ||||||
| hengispod |
yep me too. it's excellent to see the young riders make their mark. young jack undoubtedly one to watch. a really stylish and classy ITT from bradley. as has been said tho, tony martin on a different level. really enjoyed it. looking forward to sunday. |
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| kathy |
Now just because I pick someone for the Junior Women doesn't mean she has to go on a suicide mission halfway through the race! | ||||||
| kathy |
Lucy Garner has just won the Gold for GB. | ||||||
| HuwB |
Lucy Garner is from Leicester, but apparently rides for Maindy Flyers junior club, who now have a gold and silver worlds medal, if true! 
(I thought she rode form Leicester ladies) |
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| gerry12ie |
It has turned into quite a medal fest for GB (or should that be Wales? ) with at least one more to come? Well done
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| Fontfroide |
Sheeeyit, my French lass got the chocolate medal. I think there should be points for fourth place i the worlds.
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| HuwB |
No, wrong info. I checked with the family. Junior/u23 is a pretty close knit affair. Amy Roberts is the other Cardiff girl and LG does ride for Leicester ladies. However, this afternoon, we do have the brother of the ToB, Caerphilly Mountain Santa riding, Luke Rowe. |
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| Biosphere |
So looking at the results there were about 40 in a bunch sprint? Is it the same finish for the rest of the week now - i.e. the mildly uphill finish that every pundit keeps talking about? | ||||||
| kathy |
Yes, it's the same finish but the senior course is a bit longer. | ||||||
| mr shifter |
Micky mouse course that catches out one of the best bike handlers in the sport but in 4th place is the other ageing meat grinder who slows on the corners and is able to get his huge gear up tp speed, to be less than 16 seconds slower than the silver medal or 11 seconds from the bronze. They must have something down to a fine art . |
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| Fontfroide |
Yesssss
And silver as well. Allez les Bleus |
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| HuwB |
Yes and it's a gold fp, too.
GB get another medal, so all very good. That was Becky's best friend's boyfriend's brother on Team GB leadout. |
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| kathy |
Aussies went to the front far too early. Well done to the French! | ||||||
| Slapshot 3 |
Bugger....... only bronze points...Good effort Andy Fenn | ||||||
| Fontfroide |
Maybe it is because I got the winner, but I don't think so. That last lap was way more interesting, somehow, than the usual mass sprint. Maybe that there were small teams. Maybe that you could see the strategies unfolding. Maybe because there were not two or three trains dominating. I don't know exactly why, but it seemed a pretty fascinating last lap to me.
Anyone else enjoy it? |
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| HuwB |
I have enjoyed both today's finale far more than the average bunch sprint run in. However, given this course, there is an air of inevitability over these outcomes. Simply not selective. Some nice properties appear to have been put into lockdown for this weekend! |
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| Fontfroide |
Yes indeed. The end does seem to be rather easy to foretell. To be honest, I don't know why they pick courses like this. Next thing will be a course in Qatar. Not even suburbs there, just desert. It should be a rule that there MUST be a decent hill or two in every world's course. Among other things it seems it might be quite dangerous. A peloton of a hundred and forty barreling down the last few K. Not good. Even if there are sprint finishes that are more or less interesting. | ||||||
| Mrs John Murphy |
The point is that having it in Qatar helps 'globalise' the sport. While having a finish that favours certain riders prevents you ending up with a Romāns Vainšteins as world champion.
Fix the races so the money riders win. |
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| Fontfroide |
I didn't think Qatar was so much about fixing certain riders to win, but all in all, footie for example, they just buy whatever event they wish, or whatever team they wish. Qatar, a country run by the same family for 150 years, is just a moneybags place. Brutal capitalism married to medieval family politics. They don't even HAVE football stadiums and they got the World Cup. Cycling is small potatoes compared to that. | ||||||
| gerry12ie |
Great espoir race, they just went at it for the last 50k. There doesn't seem to be anything in the course to suggest that there will be anything other than a bunch sprint on Sunday, so will the GB train be good enough to hold off allcomers? | ||||||
| Boogerd_Fan |
1 word.. Sagan | ||||||
| Nolte |
Well done to the french guys today and good on Fenn for getting 3rd. | ||||||
| MAILLOT JAUNE |
Love the photos of Delmare and Petit:
Can you ride tandem? 
Vitruvian Men? 
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| Mrs John Murphy |
I really don't see how this is going to be anything other than a Frodo-fest.
You have to wonder if the other teams over-estimated the difficulty of the course. |
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| Biosphere |
Great Photo. They struck me as a cross between the Schlecks and Ganesha
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| MAILLOT JAUNE |
Couldn't possibly be the Schlecks - the French are in 1st and 2nd place!
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| kathy |
And the French are trying to dominate the Junior race right from the start! | ||||||
| HuwB |
Incredibly fast and animated. Nice chat with the Serbian boss............and then one of his lads has a feed zone chute. 
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| kathy |
One Frenchman and a Belgian still ahead. Bettiol chasing for Italy. | ||||||
| Nolte |
Gougeard, you fool, you went too early 
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| gerry12ie |
The classic composition - two Dutch, two Belgians, two French! | ||||||
| TNG |
Being hunted down by three Italians.... | ||||||
| Nolte |
the second dutch guy is gone | ||||||
| Nolte |
the lead group have 23 seconds over the main group with 6km to go | ||||||
| gerry12ie |
The French are playing a blinder, covering every move | ||||||
| Nolte |
France takes it, the belgium guy takes silver and netherlands in 3rd | ||||||
| kathy |
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| Nolte |
good finish to the race and i'm happy to see that a breakaway does make it tot he end | ||||||
| kathy |
I'm happy to see my FP win!
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| gerry12ie |
Brilliant finish
1 - Lecusinier (FRA) 2 - De Greef (BEL) 3 - Lammertink (NED) For a split second it looked a Belgian 1-2 but Lecusinier was far too strong. |
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| Nolte |
well done
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| Fontfroide |
Nice one Kathy. Easy to remember name too.
The French will be delighted to at last hope they have several young stars who might bring home a bit of bacon. I am happy for my neighbours, even if the rugby team seems a little less than towering. |
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| kathy |
I shall think of a young man wearing a chef's hat on a bike! There do seem to be a lot of young French hopefuls - let's hope some of the manage to convert to a good pro career. They have just been interviewing one of the young Spanish hopefuls who rode this morning - he sounded pretty well- balanced. I think it was Victor Martin. He said that even if he makes it to the pro ranks, he appreciates that his career will be over by the time he's about 34. And in this day and age, you need something to fall back on. So as well as his cycling, he is contuing with his studies. Is it my imagination, or are 'different' people taking up cycling now? It was traditionally the realm of the young uneducated peasant trying to make a name for himself, but now there seem to be intelligent young people from better-off families taking up the sport. I'm rambling a bit - the women's race hasn't woken up yet! |
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| Biosphere |
Mrs. and myself wondering who the female guest in the RAI studio is. Weathered look suggests ex cyclist? Any ideas? | ||||||
| gerry12ie |
Weathered looks? Ex cyclist? Longo?
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| Biosphere |
Italy's version thereof, Fabiana Luperini, won the lassies Giro a record 5 times. |
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| Biosphere |
This afternoon's summary so far:
The peloton has been underway for just over two hours. In a group. The whole time. |