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HuwB

World Championships Firenze: 22nd-29th Sept 2013

Since Rai Sport 2's coverage has already started, I thought it might be time to start a thread.
Spot the difference profiles for the TTTs.




Biosphere

Didn't think it would be over so early

Results:
1 Specialized-Lululemon 0:51:10
2 Rabo Women Cycling Team 0:01:11
3 Orica-AIS 0:01:33

I think Rusvelo and Optum were in FP points places too, but reportage is scant.

Edit: rounding out the top 6 from the UCI website

4 RUSVELO +2:02.31
5 MCIPOLLINI GIORDANA +2:18.83
6 WIGGLE HONDA +2:33.00
Biosphere

Been catching up. Thought that was quite an exciting finish. After more than 3600 seconds, less than 1 between them!

1 Omega Pharma Quick Step 1:04:16.81
2 Orica GreenEdge 0:00:00.81
3 Sky Procycling 0:00:22.55
4 BMC Racing Team 0:01:02.71
5 RadioShack Leopard 0:01:17.53
6 Astana Pro Team 0:01:21.14
7 Cannondale Pro Cycling 0:01:28.74
8 Garmin-Sharp 0:02:01.94
9 Team Saxo-Tinkoff 0:02:14.17
10 Movistar Team 0:02:31.03
kathy

Couldn't find any coverage of this on ES today, so watched Tour of Britain instead!!
Biosphere

When on the UCI website yesterday I noticed they had a live YouTube channel. Previously they have made it available in countries that were not broadcasting the current event. Don't know what the situation is this year, but I'll imagine if not live you can at least watch later on. The one warning is they tend to show the victor as the thumbnail for the video link, so if you're trying to watch the race as live it's not the cleverest.
HuwB

As Bio says, that's how it usually works.
No Eurosport coverage this year.
My all singing and dancing tv went black, last night,
which means I only have the Rai Sport 2 option myself, along with whatever is
on the BBC red button, that is.

(I still haven't seen all of the TTT)
mr shifter

BBC why don't they keep their nose out of sports they know nothing about.

The importance they make of "Radio 5 Live" is not what we want.

However you work out the mess they make .

Cycling on BBC

Tuesday, 24 September

World Cycling Road Championships, 13:30 BBC Red Button

World Cycling Road Championships, Elite Women's Time Trial, 14:00 BBC Radio 5 live sports extra

Wednesday, 25 September

World Cycling Road Championships, 12:15 BBC Red Button

World Cycling Road Championships, Elite Time Trials, 13:40 BBC Two

Saturday, 28 September

World Cycling Road Championships, Elite Women's Road Race, 13:00 selected Connected TVs

World Cycling Road Championships, Elite Women's Road Race, 15:00 BBC One & 16:00 BBC Two

Sunday, 29 September

World Cycling Road Championships, Elite Men's Road Race, 09:00 selected Connected TVs, 12:30 BBC Red Button, 14:00 BBC Radio 5 live sports extra, 14:15 BBC Two
Bartali

The concept of a ITT on the radio is just mind blowing!!
mr shifter

Extract from the UCI website......

United Kingdom Date BST Program
BBC Red Button Sunday, September 22, 2013 13:30-16:40 Live - Women & Men Elite Team Time Trial
BBC Red Button Tuesday, September 24, 2013 13:30-15:50 Live - Women Elite Individual Time Trial
BBC Red Button Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:15-13:40 Live - Men Elite Individual Time Trial
BBC 2 Wednesday, September 25, 2013 13:40-16:10 Live - Men Elite Individual Time Trial + highlight women & team time trial
BBC 1 Saturday, September 28, 2013 15:30-16:30 Live - Women Elite Road Race
BBC 2 Saturday, September 28, 2013 16:30-17:15 Live - Women Elite Road Race
BBC Red Button Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:30-14:15 Live - Men Elite Road Race
BBC 2 Sunday, September 29, 2013 14:15-16:15 Live - Men Elite Road Race
bianchigirl

Tuft has pulled out of TT
HuwB

Here are the profiles for the elite races, not that there's much to see.



The same distance as the junior women, which I find a bit odd.

Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
The concept of a ITT on the radio is just mind blowing!!


Nice post Bartali, I actually chuckled out loud.
HuwB

1) Van Dijk
2) Villumsen
3) Small
4) Stevens
Nowhere:- Gillow.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
1) Van Dijk
2) Villumsen
3) Small
4) Stevens
Nowhere:- Gillow.


Beat my French lass, who was 23rd.  Are we hip or not?

Should have just picked the favourite, why do I do that?  Nonsense pseudo patriotism.
bianchigirl

Vai Marco Pinotti!
HuwB

bianchigirl wrote:
Vai Marco Pinotti!


Not wishing to bring doping to this thread, but has he said
anything about Freddy Viaene being employed by his team, yet?
He can't have been happy that his name came out of Emma O'Reilly's
unrestricted, LA testimony release, yesterday.
Looks like he's landed in a Leinders like situation.
Hard luck on such an outspoken, rider.
Hope BMC act swiftly.
gerry12ie

1. Kanstantsin Siutsou (Belarus) 1:08:36.19
2. Rohan Dennis (Australia) 1:08:45.98
3. Nicolas Roche (Ireland) 1:08:50.00
4. Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes Oliveira (Portugal) 1:08:51.08
5. Kristof Vandewalle (Belgium) 1:08:53.80
6. Vladimir Gusev (Russian Federation) 1:09:05.11
7. Dmitriy Gruzdev (Kazakhstan) 1:09:12.60
8. Bert Grabsch (Germany) 1:09:17.66
9. Aleksejs Saramotins (Latvia) 1:09:32.97
10. Carlos Ivan Oyarzun Guinez (Chile) 1:09:43.10

All the big hitters still out on the course but is that really the same Nicolas Roche only 5" off Rohan Dennis, and ahead of Gusev and Grabsch?? Really??
HuwB

Martin by a mile.
Wiggins by an inch
Cancellara

Shortest odds podium.
Fontfroide

ITT does not lie.
SlowRower

Similar result to 2011, with Wiggo edging Cancellara in the latter stages but getting stuffed by Martin.

52.7kmh for Martin for 66 minutes. Equate to sub 46 minutes for a "25". Those boys are seriously fast!
HuwB

SlowRower wrote:
Similar result to 2011, with Wiggo edging Cancellara in the latter stages but getting stuffed by Martin.

52.7kmh for Martin for 66 minutes. Equate to sub 46 minutes for a "25". Those boys are seriously fast!


Also equates to this:
Quote:
José Been ‏@TourDeJose 1m
Tony Martin on his own only rode 0,5 km/h slower than entire OPQS in team time trial (via @keesfietst) #toscana2013


Or this:
Quote:
Dave ‏@cyclist_dave 48s
Tony Martin would have been sixth in the team time trial.


Wink
SlowRower

HuwB wrote:
Quote:
José Been ‏@TourDeJose 1m
Tony Martin on his own only rode 0,5 km/h slower than entire OPQS in team time trial (via @keesfietst) #toscana2013


There must be something fundamentally different about conditions for the TTT vs today, as Martin was in the OPQS TTT squad, along with some other fairly handy TTers.

Even if Martin was doing half the time at the front in the TTT and the changes were cr*p, he'd have been more than 0.5kmh faster than he was today, all other things equal.

My guess is that the wind was different today! Smile
Bartali

Well that's one interpretation ...
gerry12ie

It ain't the prettiest and it has a cack name, but 6 out of 7 TT victories for the Shiv this week is more then a bit Specialized...


SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
Well that's one interpretation ...


So is your interpretation addition of a motor to Martin's bike or a Contador style barbecue between the TTT and the ITT? Smile

I don't doubt that Martin left no stone unturned in his "preparations" for the World Championships, as it's been his priority all season. I do wonder what he could do between the TTT and the ITT to be able to almost match the speed of a team he was riding in, given that the TTT was only an hour long (with no obvious constraints to being fully prepared before this) and he had two full days to recover naturally. (And at his age, recovering naturally in 2 days from an hour long TTT isn't particularly unbelievable.)

Taking PEDs would be highly dangerous, as any significant performance boost would involve large quantities that wouldn't have the chance to be leave the system by the time of the post-ITT dope test.

Would an undetectable transfusion before the ITT have much impact on a guy who has done one hour flat out since the end of the Vuelta? The "second rest day effect" in a GT is so dramatic as the riders are seriously fatigued by that point, but such fatigue wouldn't be affecting Martin.

Interesting topic...
HuwB

The road race profiles, as best I can make out:
The women's race appears exactly the same as the junior men.



The U23 men add 2 laps.



The Elite men's more of everything.



The only profile I have for the junior women is the main profile of the circuit.

mr shifter

SlowRower wrote:
Similar result to 2011, with Wiggo edging Cancellara in the latter stages but getting stuffed by Martin.

52.7kmh for Martin for 66 minutes. Equate to sub 46 minutes for a "25". Those boys are seriously fast!

1993 RTTC 25 mile Competition Record
Chris Boardman MBE  North Wirral Velo .....45mins 57 secs.
SlowRower

mr shifter wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Similar result to 2011, with Wiggo edging Cancellara in the latter stages but getting stuffed by Martin.

52.7kmh for Martin for 66 minutes. Equate to sub 46 minutes for a "25". Those boys are seriously fast!

1993 RTTC 25 mile Competition Record
Chris Boardman MBE  North Wirral Velo .....45mins 57 secs.


He was pretty handy that Boardman chap!
gerry12ie

Junior Women

1 Amalie Dideriksen (Denmark) 2:32:23
2 Anastasiia Iakovenko (Russian Federation)  
3 Olena Demydova (Ukraine) 0:00:03
4 Jessenia Meneses Gonzalez (Colombia) 0:00:18
5 Milda Jankauskaite (Lithuania) 0:00:34
6 Tereza Medvedova (Slovakia)
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Junior Women

1 Amalie Dideriksen (Denmark) 2:32:23
2 Anastasiia Iakovenko (Russian Federation)  
3 Olena Demydova (Ukraine) 0:00:03
4 Jessenia Meneses Gonzalez (Colombia) 0:00:18
5 Milda Jankauskaite (Lithuania) 0:00:34
6 Tereza Medvedova (Slovakia)


Yowza! a jammy 2nd place fp. Smile

RAI have their priorities sorted.
Only just announcing the UCI result over the U 23 race.

This is one tough course.
Boogerd_Fan

6th place FP heaven!!! WTH.. never even heard of her before Very Happy
gerry12ie

I just had a look at the betting for the main event and Cancellara is a firm favourite at 7/2, ahead of Sagan at 9/2.  The rest of the likely contenders are more or less in order down the betting and while I thought about Dan at 33/1 I plumped for Rui Costa at 40/1 for my main bet with a side order of Slagter at 250/1.  

I'm probably not done yet and it might be foolish to ignore the claims of the rider with arguably the best form but Nico is only 50/1 so I might scout around for 66's or bigger for him.  It's about time he bought me a new bike...
Boogerd_Fan

both Sagan and Fab are not guaranteed of getting over that set of climbs 10x in my opinion. Hope so, but it will be tough.
Fontfroide

French seem to be doing well, although watching in Italian is not my preferred language.  And there is never anything about how many ks to the end on the screen.
Fontfroide

Looks an impeccable road surface.  Should be a good race on Sunday and on Saturday.
Fontfroide

Hope that the French big guns. Le GAc and Le Cuisinier are ready to pop up and win.  Those French guys have been in front for many k.  Having never heard of them I figure they must be a diversion for the big guys.
Fontfroide

I like the course, the last hill seems like it might be quite decisive, look like a steep short one, a the end of a million ks.  Really pretty houses and gardens.  Can't wait until tomorrow for the gals and Sunday as well.
Fontfroide

As for Sunday I just looked over the teams and it made me want to go back to national teams for every race.  Absolutely astounding how strong each national team is, how nearly every rider is seriously good.  There must be 7-10 strong teams in this race.  Really strong, with two or three guys who could win on each team.  Sorry if I am saying something we all know, but this really is The Worlds.  Makes the teams in the Tour or the Giro look like B teams.

I was impressed with the Colombian team.  And the …..  

Another load of words everyone knows, but I really was stunned.
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:
Hope that the French big guns. Le GAc and Le Cuisinier are ready to pop up and win.  Those French guys have been in front for many k.  Having never heard of them I figure they must be a diversion for the big guys.

Impressive win by Matej Mohovic who rode the French favourite off his wheel.
Quote:

2012....Matej Mohoric of Slovenia won the Junior men’s world road race title with a perfect-timed attack over the top of the Cauberg.

He has dominated junior racing this year and had the strength and speed to attack with one kilometre to go and hold off the chasing peloton.  
Beasley

Going back to the elite men's ITT, having a kilo ramp @ 1/13 in the first 8km really added something to the event. A poisoned carrot, if you will, that Fab Can had a big ol' bite out of.

Kudos to Wiggins. He didn't win, but ride a negative split takes a lot of confidence/discipline especially when positive splitting (riding the first half faster than the second; using adrenaline to make hay whilst the sun shines) seems to be en vogue at the moment in TT circles.
mr shifter

Memories of a certain Hugh Porter the four time World Professional Pursuit Champion over Five Thousand Meters
He usually started slow but then pounded the other guys into the ground.

However he would never have won anything on these tiny wooden tracks they use today.
He would have suffered like Jens Lehman in the 1992 Olympic Pursuit Final when Boardman caught him.
Nolte

prediction for hte mens race - matt brammeier in the early break seeing as he's now looking for work.
Fontfroide

mr shifter wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Hope that the French big guns. Le GAc and Le Cuisinier are ready to pop up and win.  Those French guys have been in front for many k.  Having never heard of them I figure they must be a diversion for the big guys.

Impressive win by Matej Mohovic who rode the French favourite off his wheel.



Just looked at the final results.  Strictly speaking, as far as I know, the actual big favourites for the French were Le Gac, Le Cuisinier and Gougeard.  These two other guys who are around, were workers, including Alaphillippe and Chevrier, who the Slovene rode off his wheel and the other guy who was ever present Gougeard.  No idea why the two big stars did not finsh, probably just to mess up my FP and the FP of whoever picked Le Gac.  But if they had such depth that the second string guys could challenge, even if they failed, there is a big future ahead of French racing, especially given the slightly older young guys they have, the ones who have shone throughout the year in this or that Tour.  I am amazed.  But disappointed my pick didn't even finish.
gerry12ie

Does anyone know if the Juniors is on stream anywhere?  Seems to be plenty of options for the Women's race later on but not for the Juniors that I can see...
Biosphere

Junior result. Poel attacked on the final climb and had 12 seconds over the top

1 Mathieu van der Poel (Netherlands) 3:33:14
2 Mads Pedersen (Denmark) 0:00:03
3 Iltjan Nika (Albania)
4 Logan Owen (USA)
5 Lorenzo Rota (Italy)
6 Lucas Eriksson (Sweden)
7 Scott Davies (Great Britain)
8 Artem Nych (Russia)
9 Sergey Shemyakin (Kazakhstan)
10 Benjamin Brkic (Austria)

My strategy of picking a random Italian didn't get the randomness right Wink
mr shifter

Nice work Bio, much appreciated.  Smile
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:
 Strictly speaking, as far as I know, the actual big favourites for the French were Le Gac, Le Cuisinier and Gougeard.  These two other guys who are around, were workers, including Alaphillippe and Chevrier,

Sorry FF, Led astray by the commentator.  Embarassed
gerry12ie

Well van der Poel is living up to his reputation for sure.   Twice World Junior Cyclocross champion (last year by a huge margin), undefeated in 'cross last year, and now World Junior road champ and surely Cyclocross U23 champ come February next.  Son of Adri and grandson of Poulidor - no pressure son!!
Biosphere

Elite women have just about 3 laps left. US working hard.
Biosphere

The lack of security on bike trucks surprises me. Short of a flashing neon sign that says expensive bikes here, it couldn't be much more obvious that there's a precious cargo.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...-bikes-at-the-world-championships
Bartali

This young italian is very alert ... she might have been caught, but she was right on top o that counter attack ...
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
The lack of security on bike trucks surprises me. Short of a flashing neon sign that says expensive bikes here, it couldn't be much more obvious that there's a precious cargo.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...-bikes-at-the-world-championships


Insurance job ....
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
The lack of security on bike trucks surprises me. Short of a flashing neon sign that says expensive bikes here, it couldn't be much more obvious that there's a precious cargo.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...-bikes-at-the-world-championships


Makarov gave them to Cookson Wink
Biosphere

So are the Italians finally going to get a result? Final lap starting.
Biosphere

Vos, Johansson and Ratto for 1, 2 and 3
gerry12ie

Simply the best.  Ever.

Dutch Gold today today Boogie Very Happy
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
So are the Italians finally going to get a result? Final lap starting.


A bit harsh with two out of the last three (now four) wins.  Shocked
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
So are the Italians finally going to get a result? Final lap starting.


A bit harsh with two out of the last three (now four) wins.  Shocked


I meant in the context of this week and a home world championships. Being a bit cheeky I think Cancellara is the closest they've come to medal this week off the top of my head Wink I know they're saving the best for last, but there will surely be an article in the Gazzetta bemoaning the weakness of Italian cycling.

Minor digression: I remember two years ago I had an Italian language lesson on the upcoming Monday, and my Italian teacher was talking about a radio discussion she heard where it was being bemoaned about the Italians winning nothing and the 'crisis' and asking me what I thought. I was saying "but Bronzini won gold in the elite and she's the defending champion" and teacher was saying "WTF, the was no coverage or mention" and I was saying "what's the Italian for sexism?" Wink
gerry12ie

I think the Italians and Belgians try to outdo each other with the frequency and severity of their almost continual crises.  Although the current Belgian one is as serious as any they have had in a while...
Fontfroide

So thunderstorms tomorrow, now and again.  I hope those weather guys are wrong.  With a dry surface, I was hungering to see the descenders on the last laps.  Looks like even I would enjoy that descent, although I would probably brake a lot.  Still if it rains, the descender most able to tuck his brains in his pocket will probably win.

I look through the list to see who can descend fast and there could be half a dozen of the best descenders on earth left at the end.  Wow.

Mind you, then they have that little steep bit just a few k from the end. Having watched two races now, I wonder if anyone has any complaints whatsoever about the parcours, except the thunderstorms.

Got a simple question.  Is there any top rider on earth that is not there?  What a field!  The list of possible winners must be ten long, and outsiders another ten long.  

But maybe I sound this excited before all the big races.  Which I am.

We could have a competition as to who will be in the last group before the last long climb.  Name seven.
Boogerd_Fan

BINGO!!!! x2
HuwB

Just caught up.
Would have been not just a really good race, but an exciting one as well, if Vos wasn't around.
So predictable that Vos would pull the trigger on the final ramp and that would be that.
I sometimes wonder if her ridiculous level of domination isn't actual a hindrance to the development of the sport.

None of the above is meant as a criticism, or sour grapes etc,  just an observation.

It's a bit like watching a great game of rugby or whatever, but having already been told the score.............if that makes sense.
gerry12ie

I think the Italians played their cards wrong tbh, although really it came down to Vosphobia which is very similar to Cancellaraphobia - you know what they are going to do and when they are going to do it, you just can't really stop them...

Van der Breggen did a hell of a job though on the last three laps, it's a bit easier to win with help like that.
Fontfroide

I suppose if Sagan attacks on the last steep bit and wins, it will have the same flavour.  But if old man Fabian manages to win, it will not.  In fact, I don't think there is any obvious winner tomorrow.  Not like Vos and hte rest.

At least I hope not.  I am hoping there will be five or six over the last hill about ten seconds ahead of the rest, and then a dramatic finish.  With someone coming up fast at the end and either nipping it or losing by a fraction.
Fontfroide

I am also hoping that at then end theres is a complicated mix of real teams and national teams with confusing identities helping and not helping each other in complicated ways.
Biosphere

What Belgian crisis? They went one better than the Italian medal in the elite ITT Wink

I'm probably guilty of over optimism or poor judgement, but I didn't think it was a foregone conclusion at the start of the last lap when the Italians still had 3 riders in play. That said, it was clearly a team effort from the Dutch too and has been pointed out van der Breggen gave everything. I do think for events where riders are riding for a flag rather than a contract, there should be maybe some consideration given to the notion of a secondary team prize of some sort.

It seems from the races so far that not much of an advantage is needed at the top of the final climb to still be clear at the finish. Cancellara would fancy his chances of winning that ITT.
Boogerd_Fan

Absolutely anything can happen tomorrow.

They've even mounted a huge screen at the time trial circuit where i'll be racing tomorrow, so we can still watch Sagan how he fares.

In that respect... a nation expects. I'm so curious whether he will deliver. The big question mark for me, is not how well he'll cover moves in the last 2-3 laps... anyone seeing footage of Canada GP's will know that's a gimme. The Q for me is can the Slovak team protect him until then? It is so thin.. it's wafer thin.
gerry12ie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Absolutely anything can happen tomorrow.



It seems that way alright and I think FF has good reason to be excited.  The course may not be stiff enough to get rid of the most stubborn fast men unless it is raced at manic pace, which of course it will Very Happy.  The final pass of via Salviati might not be long enough to make huge difference and a small lead over the top might not be enough to stay clear until the end.  Or it might. Very Happy   If it rains and they are racing towards the finish then that final hairpin might prove treacherous too.  Or not.  

The bookies suggest it should be between Cancellara and Sagan and they are right more often than wrong, but there really are so many more in contention.  It looks mouthwatering to be honest.
HuwB

Just underway and the weather is absolutely foul.
Biosphere

In Ireland. Access to Sky Sports etc. Do I have viewing options before BBC1 this afternoon?

Internet streaming not really an option due to living in Clare sticks. The pub was excited yesterday though Smile
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
In Ireland. Access to Sky Sports etc. Do I have viewing options before BBC1 this afternoon?

Internet streaming not really an option due to living in Clare sticks. The pub was excited yesterday though Smile


The pub might be even better today seeing as it surely didn't close last night and probably won't shut until Thursday.  One of the best finals ever - Banner abu!

That's the parochial stuff out of the way but I think you are stuck with the magnetism of the BBC team later on.  I have a RAI stream but if that isn't an option then Jonathan Edwards it is...

Speaking of streams, a couple of friends picked up the ukash ransom virus from streaming links recently - a particularly nasty blackmail variant backed up by a 'police' message - and I noticed this message on the steephill site this morning:

Quote:
Warning: Any unrestricted live video links (in bold) in the table below that we suspect or have been reported to contain MS Windows malicious/malware popups (you do not need "Flash HD") are now denoted with 'm' as in "live videom (english)". Please ensure your Windows computer is virus protected before using "live videom" links as they are beyond our control.





Only one link that isn't infected... Crying or Very sad
Biosphere

Thanks Gerry. I've now installed Hola for chrome and running with a French proxy on the UCI live channel. Running surprisingly well actually.

Does mean our French posters can watch a certainly clean stream without the proxy faffing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_YbtPUgXY

and for those that need a proxy

https://hola.org/
Biosphere

On the 2nd lap now. Has already fragmented due to Italian pressing.
HuwB

Bad crash has put paid to Dan Martin and Cadel Evans.
No sightings of Peter Sagan, either.
Bunch down to 70 blokes.

Oh and Wiggins swanned around on the back for a bit, then climbed off.
Great team man. Rolling Eyes
TNG

Pretty sure Sagan is sitting just behind Cancellara in the main bunch.
Biosphere

Horner gone too. Cancellara has lost Elmiger and Zaugg.
HuwB

Samu, Baklandts, Henao, Atapuma all in the crash.
Talansky, Phinney, Kwiakowski all join Evans in climbing off.
TNG

Froome now a long way back - 40secs or so.

Beeb commentary team have finally spotted Sagan in the main bunch.
Nolte

so the irish interest is completely gone
Nolte

apparently according to christ boardman if you are lapped in your final lap, you can keep going.

is that possible to be lapped in your final lap as anyone doing the lapping would be finished as they'd be a lap ahead.
Nolte

peloton includes vanotti, nibbali, ullysses, luis leon sachez gil, voeckleur, van aversmaet, cancellara, gilbert,degenkolb, fuglsang, joaquim rodruiqz, stybar, martens, boassen hagen, uran, rui faria da costa, valverde, moreno, mollma, weening, slagter, machado, pozzato
Fontfroide

Haven't tuned in yet, want to catch a few winks, but it looks like a bummer.  Too many good riders are out, weather is awful.  Bummer.  There will still be a champion, but not quite the race I dreamed of.  I looked at a couple of forecasters and it looks like a chance of the last laps maybe without rain.  Maybe.
HuwB

Nolte wrote:
so the irish interest is completely gone


A lone Welshman left.

Would have thought all this rain would have suited our lads.

FF: Not sure why the negativity. It's been a war out there.
The thunder has begun.
Beasley

The Italians have done a lot of work, but has it been in vain? Time will tell, but the Germans and Belgians are still there in number.

Lots of going back to the cars. Some recalculating going on, I expect.
gerry12ie

Froome looked underdressed and miserable.  If he is easily affected by bad Italian weather why not dress for it?
Bartali

So the whole of GB have got off .... despicable!  Rolling Eyes
Beasley

... but then what do you expect when the Azzurri are extraterrestrial!

ps. Basso isn't in the team car, is he? Wink

The home straight is practically waterlogged. I doubt anyone wants to sprint on that.
Bartali

Beasley wrote:
... but then what do you expect when the Azzurri are extraterrestrial!


... seemingly no more so than the Brits!
Beasley

On the contrary, today the Brits were very much terrestrial!

I was going to say that I'm surprised EBH is still up there, but he did medal last year on a hilly course. Maybe this is his terrain?
Bartali

I don't see how the Italians are any different to the Belgiums, French, Spanish, Swiss etc ... seems to be just the Brits that can't hack it in the rain.  Frankly I think it is disrespectful to the race and other riders who weren't invited to take up nine(?) places and then all pull out.
Bartali

Good move by Visconti ...
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
I don't see how the Italians are any different to the Belgiums, French, Spanish, Swiss etc ... seems to be just the Brits that can't hack it in the rain.  Frankly I think it is disrespectful to the race and other riders who weren't invited to take up nine(?) places and then all pull out.


I agree.  Froome was interviewed on the beeb and was blandly diplomatic although he did say he wanted to race but looked around and saw he had no team mates left around him...

Meeow?
Fontfroide

No real pessimism Huw, but I did hope it would be good weather, enough to see great descents, and of course a few more heroes on the road.   Crashes or just wimps pulling out. Sounds like the Americans are nearly gone, the Brits totally gone.  How can Brits not be able to ride in the rain, Both thomas and Froome said almost nothing at all.  Brits not riding in the rain???

I guess I should have been watching all afternoon and I would know more.  Not sure whether to watch the Brits or the French commentating.

Anyway still a lot of guys left, but one does want everyone to have a go and for teams to be able to work together.
Beasley

Most British riders cut their teeth in time trials on open roads. Not advisable in the wet when you're sharing a narrow piece of tarmac with two tonnes of steel, buzzing alone at 30mph minimum.

Visconti joins the leader.
gerry12ie

Italians wiped out in two crashes - all on Visconti now
Bartali

ARSE!!! Sad
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
ARSE!!! Sad


That would be Nibali's arse, I take it. Wink

All the Italian eggs are in Visconti's basket now.
Beasley

Valverde, Contador, J-Rod ... the Spanish are well armed going into the final two laps. Been under the radar so far.
Fontfroide

Seems the French are still there.  How can the French be there and not the Brits?  Gotta be a story to be told.
Bartali

Nibali .... class!

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