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smarauder68

Winter Olympic Complaints

Do we have to watch an entire Curling match in its entirety? If ever a sport begged for editing, its Curling.

Don't we have 1 or 2 too many cross country races? Apart from the group starts, the sport's drama is often lost due to staggered starts.

Ski Jumping has become entirely too safe. I miss the good ol' days when we were guarenteed at least 1 or 2 good crashes per session...maybe they can bring in a Bahamian contingent for 2014 or grant a special wild card invitation to Prince Phillip of Monaco.

I hate the Hockey with the pros...I preferred ameteurs from USA and Canada trying to beat the Russian and Czechs.

Figure Skating should eliminate half its field after the short program to share more TV time with other sports.  Only the top 10 should skate the "free" program.  If you sucked in the short program, what makes u think we wanna see 4.5 minutes more of you?

Speed skating seems kinda sterile inside....I'd rather see it outdoors, ala Eric Heiden from Lake Placid.

Anybody else have more to add to this growing list?
berck

Events that can be shown 'live' should be. Only the Eastern and Central time zones get live events. There is no reason the other time zones can't be shown live events when they come up. Just push back the tape delay stuff.
cadence

I'd like to only see events Americans are expected to Medal in and like Berck I don't want to see the results in Yahoo before I watch them on TV.
happa gal

berck wrote:
Events that can be shown 'live' should be. Only the Eastern and Central time zones get live events. There is no reason the other time zones can't be shown live events when they come up. Just push back the tape delay stuff.


Not having live coverage is simply driving me nuts. Thankfully I have access to a Eurosport feed. No excuse for us west coast viewers not to have live coverage....we are in the same freakin' time zone!!

...and what was up with NBC putting on the USA-CAN hockey game on MSNBC and not their main NBC channel? I guess I should be happy that I least was able to watch that game live!!
cardinal guzman

UK - I hate the way you can't record a 'red button' event.

Other than that no complaints. Colin Bryce is excellent commentating on the sliders and the people there look like they're having a ball, competitors and fans alike - absolute sucess imo, well done over there in the colonies!
cadence

cardinal guzman wrote:
well done over there in the colonies!


Exactly the reason we threw the British out, we knew we could improve on everything.  Cool
Mrs John Murphy

We can add history and politics to sport on the list of subject you know fuck all about.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
We can add history and politics to sport on the list of subject you know fuck all about.


You should thank me; it allows you to maintain your feeling of superiority over others.  Something you seem to be a fuck all expert at.  Smile
Mrs John Murphy

It isn't that much of an achievement to be superior to you. A functioning brain does the trick.

If you want to wum then that's fine but don't complain when people call you a twat.
maffy

cardinal guzman wrote:
UK - I hate the way you can't record a 'red button' event.


you can, on some not sky tellyboxen
CapeRoadie

Cyclocross should be a Winter Olympic sport.

Curling is like bocci on ice; save it for ESPN 2 on Sundays at 3 a.m.

I want to know more about all the athletes outside of the U.S.  I know, I know, what do I expect from NBC?  A miracle on ice?

Tell Al Trautwig he should try to get a job at OLN since it doesn't exist anymore.

More Nordic skiing!

Make the Iranians compete directly against the Israelis (when they are in the same sports) or ban them.

Tell McDonald's that eating their food won't actually allow you to "Eat like an Olympian" but instead as a future Olympian Cardiology Patient.

Give Best Hair and Best Teeth Awards to Davis and White in Ice Dancing--that was fucking spectacular!
Fontfroide

What is it about team ski jumping that has to do with a team?

Just a bunch of individuals jumping one after the other, again.
Mrs John Murphy

You could say the same about the relay - a bunch of people running one after the other.

The problem with the Winter Olympics are there are far more sports which have subjective judging than in the summer games. There are also far more new sports introduced post-1990 which lack credibility. There are also sports which are simply not competitive enough - ie hockey.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
What is it about team ski jumping that has to do with a team?

Just a bunch of individuals jumping one after the other, again.


It all boils down to whether to be conservative or not. If you go for a massive first jump but cock it up then you've let the team down. If you do this in the individual event then you've only affected yourself, so it's much less of a tactical dilemma.

There's also the issue of whether to pick a solid but unspectacular performer instead of someone who might range between the sublime and the ridiculous.

I guess, though, that these nuances only count for much if you like ski-jumping in a big way to start with. Smile
bianchigirl

Marauder, good to 'see' you - and your comment on the skating made me laugh (though would rob me of getting quite so lashed in my 'predict a fall' drinking game)

I would love to see less of the 'they speak English, we must support them' bollox that infects all sports coverage in the UK (hate all the 'Bode this, Bode that' when all others are referred to by surname - it's the 'Lance syndrome' again).

Having just read 'Lords of the Rings', however,I'm all for restoring the People's Olympiads and getting rid of the bloated and corrupt behemoth that is the IOC and all its satellites altogether - it makes me laugh the way the BBC keep trumpeting the Coubertin line when clearly the modern games bears about as much resemblance to that ideal as Evan Lysacek does to a graceful and elegant skater Wink
SlowRower

Bianchigirl (or should that be "Bianchi" or just "Girl"? Smile)

To be fair to the commentators, in skiing circles, Bode Miller is just "Bode". The "Miller" bit is superfluous, given how striking his first name is.

All the other Americans get referred to with forenames and surnames IIRC.

I don't think it's about speaking English, either. Axel Lund Svyndal speaks fluent English - with a slight American accent if truth be told. (As do many of the other racers - too much MTV). There's something particularly satisfying about saying all three of his names!

When he was racing, Herman Maier was usually referred to as "The Hermanator" by the commentators, reflecting his popular nickname.

If I was going to criticise Bode Miller, it would be for talking to Svyndal about his gumshield and cracking jokes whilst the Swedish guy was awaiting a helicoper after crashing our of the Super G.
HuwB

bianchigirl wrote:
Marauder, good to 'see' you - and your comment on the skating made me laugh (though would rob me of getting quite so lashed in my 'predict a fall' drinking game)



+1
Had I not noticed him doing a "Sooty", I would have thought he'd died and go to FP heaven. Wink

I'd like to see syncronised snowman building added. Rolling Eyes
The WO literally leaves me cold, although, I like Cape's idea of including CC. That would be interesting.
Plus, here in the UK, we get compulsory blonde barbies, infesting every live sporting event.
I'd make 'em sit exams in sporting knowledge, first.
Mrs John Murphy

HuwB wrote:

+1
Had I not noticed him doing a "Sooty"


Is that a euphemism for 'having a very public mental breakdown'?

SM has been around although the US fanboy/wum mantel has been passed on to Cadence. Mrs SM is obviously keeping him on a short leash and so he doesn't have much time to post Wink
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
HuwB wrote:

+1
Had I not noticed him doing a "Sooty"


Is that a euphemism for 'having a very public mental breakdown'?

SM has been around although the US fanboy/wum mantel has been passed on to Cadence. Mrs SM is obviously keeping him on a short leash and so he doesn't have much time to post Wink

My first post was mocking the xenophobic mentality you attribute to me.  My second post was mocking the insult directed toward my country by referring to it as a colony aka Jeremy Clarkson.   My third post was in response to your personal attack…and I’m the WUM…. Shocked

Bode was obliterated by the press during and after his last Olympic performance, if he’s getting some positive press now then it’s only balancing itself out.  

This is perhaps “the” most competitive Hockey has been, so not sure where that one came from?  For the record I’m rooting for Slovakia, xenophobia be dammed.
Mrs John Murphy

Yes, that post and the other 375 'I love Lance and Roid' posts.

I can't believe that you actually believe what you post because no one can be that stupid, so you must be wumming. Or at least that is my hope.

Hockey is uncompetitive:

Mens:

Russia: 8
Latvia: 2

Norway: 0
Canada: 8

Norway: 1
USA: 6

Slovakia: 6
Latvia: 0

Germany: 0
Finland: 5

Belarus: 1
Finland: 5

records:

4 NOR 0 - 0 - 1 - 2 5 19
4      LAT 0 - 0 - 0 - 3 4 19


Womens:

Slovakia: 0
Canada: 18

China: 1
USA: 12

Canada: 10
Switzerland: 1

Sweden: 1
Canada: 13

Russia: 0
USA: 13

China: 0
Switzerland: 6

Sweden: 1
USA: 9

Finland: 0
Canada: 5

Records:

1 CAN 3 - 0 - 0 - 0 41 2
1 USA 3 - 0 - 0 - 0 31 1

Sorry but the hockey is a joke at the group stages and women's hockey is even more of a joke.
thunderthighs

have not watched anything.. ciao
Ralphnorman

I found this out the other day. Largest winning margin in a game of Women's Ice Hockey:
Slovakia 82 - Bulgaria 0

Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
bianchigirl

Was the puck ever out of the net?
Mrs John Murphy

SM since you are back posting are you going to enter the FP competition named after you and your famous crystal balls?
smarauder68

Men's Hockey is alot more competitive than it was during the cold war era....You can make a case for any of 7 nations to win it.

Favorites for Gold as of now:

Canada
Russia
Sweden
USA
Czech Rep
Finland
Slovakia...

USA beating Canada means they only have to beat Switzerland and Czech Rep to get into the Gold Medal game agains Russia or Canada.  I don't think the Swedes and Finns are nearly as strong as they were in 2006.

I favor a USA, Canada Gold Medal Game....with Canada winning.
Ralphnorman

Canada haven't had much chemistry and Russia haven't been their high scoring selves. Sweden have very quietly (compared to the other favourites) been playing very well. 100% win record in pool play, 2 SO's (both by Lundqvist) and goal scoring by their forwards. Yes, they have played against weaker opposition (Finland excepted) but you can only beat whoever is in front of you, something Canada have struggled with despite their immense talent and depth.
I'd put Sweden at the top of the pile.
berck

So, are you saying USA and Sweden for the Gold Ralph? I can see that, especially if Canada doesn't start putting it together.
Ralphnorman

Yea, Sweden vs USA for the gold, Finland vs Canada for the bronze.
Slapshot 3

I'd suggest right now that Russia are in gold medal position for one reason, their team has more cohesion than any other so far.

Canada are completely out of sorts, they have a string of great players but a few who shouldn't actually be there and it's those few that are letting them down.

I also think the Babcock element is letting them down and at that level the coaching makes a huge difference in the way a team of superstars is motivated, I don't particularly like Mike Babcock, I think there are better Canadian coaches, unfortunately with Stevie Y in charge it's nigh on impossible for so disparate a bunch to buy into the Detroit system, that's exactly what it looks like.

I haven't looked but assuming Canada make the quarters they have to face Russia, that will be the telling game for me.
cadence

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Yes, that post and the other 375 'I love Lance and Roid' posts.

I can't believe that you actually believe what you post because no one can be that stupid, so you must be wumming. Or at least that is my hope.

Hockey is uncompetitive:


Sorry but the hockey is a joke at the group stages and women's hockey is even more of a joke.


I can be that stupid, ask my family.

Name a sport in the winter Olympics where the same countries do-not for the most part dominate or at least remain very competitive every competition.
Mrs John Murphy

No, the issue is competitiveness. Hockey is not competitive. A look at the results tells you that. The womens hockey should not be included until it is competitive. Blow outs make for boring viewing other than for the fanboys - so I can see why it appeals to you.

As for one country not dominating a sport...

Biathlon - 8 gold medals to 6 different countries, 10 countries winning medals.

X-Country Skiing -  8 gold medals to 5 countries, 10 countries winning medals.

Speed Skating - 8 gold medals to 5 different countries and 10 winning medals.
Slapshot 3

Backing MJM - womens hockey at an international level is a joke and the IIHF see it the same way, however the IOC push to have them there.

Following the US win at the last games Canada ramped up their womens programme to ensure they wouldn't lose again, the US did the same to ensure they remained hugely competitive. However, they are really the only two nations which invest massivley in their hockey programmes for women that's why the competition at olympic and worlds is so poor.

IHUK have a ladies team but the girls themselves pay for everything, there is no investment so the struggle year by year, then again mens hockey isn't much better off!!

Whennie moment.... took the Scotland U16's to Sweden a few years ago, there were 22, 17+2 players, me as head coach/kit manager, my assistant and the team manager in the party, our association paid our flights and accomodation, food was provided by the hosts. I asked for money to buy some tracksuits for the boys and some money to put some spare kit together. We got nothing, we tried SportScotland they nearly laughed at us, in the end we had to raise the money to do anything we wanted. Boys had to buy their own shirts, it was a joke.
bianchigirl

Events to keep women engaged in the second week of the games - figure skating, anything featuring women like, um, women's ice hockey - as decreed by the almighty dollar of NBC.
Sooty

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
HuwB wrote:

+1
Had I not noticed him doing a "Sooty"


Is that a euphemism for 'having a very public mental breakdown'?


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  

At least I'm not an immature 34 year old still living with his Mum like you eh MJM?   Laughing  Shocked  Laughing
Mrs John Murphy

Cast a line, hook the fish and reel it in.

I think you're confusing me for you again, except you chopped off 30 years from your age. Or maybe you're confusing me with one of my wum ID's?

You ought to ask the doctor to up your meds. All this lurking can't be good for your health.
Sooty

Careful sonny, careful...  think it through....
Mrs John Murphy

Go for it baby.
Sooty

Laughing  Laughing  Laughing   No, I like the feeling of power.  Actually I'm going to bed now young lad, I'm up at 4am tomorrow - long business drive.  Ho hum, it's a man's world.
Mrs John Murphy

All mouth and no trousers as ever. But then since you've got nothing to actually put out there it's not surprising. I suppose you like the imagined feeling of power owing to your complete lack of it in real life. But so far you've guessed and guessed wrong. Still I'll give you a clue - my age is between 1-99. Guess again and I'll tell you if you are getting any closer.

Normally, people with delusions imagine their own lives to be different, not other peoples. Good to see that you are breaking new ground with your mental degeneration
Spoo

Anyway on the plus side, snowboard cross and ski cross had me strangely enthralled for a couple of hours.

I really wanted to watch the hockey....after watching a lot of NHL as a kid... but can't stay up late enough to watch it.

Speed Skating in the long-form strikes me as amazingly dull, I'm sure in the flesh you can really feel the speed but on TV the languid skating style really masks the speed and effort they must be putting in. The short form seems good fun though (am I betraying a very short attention span here Smile )

One final thing...Curling its on all the time on the UK coverage and I've watched a bit of it but still don't know the scoring (an Steve Cram and that Rhona lady seem to take it for granted that we all know it).

To score do you simply have to keep the stones within the big green circle? Is there any grading of the scoring depending on the closer to the centre you get? Ignorant question I know but I'm sure my enjoyment of it will go up exponentially once I know whats happening!! Smile
The Lemondheads

Spoo wrote:
To score do you simply have to keep the stones within the big green circle? Is there any grading of the scoring depending on the closer to the centre you get? Ignorant question I know but I'm sure my enjoyment of it will go up exponentially once I know whats happening!! Smile


Stones in the big green circle count. From then it's judged on who's closest to the middle. If you have just the nearest stone to the middle, 1 point; if you have the two nearest stones then 2 points usw.
Ralphnorman

You get points based on who's stone is closed to the centre of the circle. So if Scotland were playing Canada, if 2 of Scotlands stones were closer to the centre than the closest Canadian stone, then Scotland would score 2. If Canada had 4 stones closer to the centre than Scotlands closest stone then they would score 4.
Spoo

Seems simple enough and I kind of thought as much just wasn't sure whether the blue and green circles were there for scoring or simply measuring.

Also is it really big in Scotland? Both the british mens and womens teams appear to be full of scots as well as Rhona (made famous the last time people watched curling Smile )
bianchigirl

Interesting piece about gender perceptions and the Olympics - the fact that women aren't allowed to ski jump for 'medical reasons' is so terribly Victorian don't you think?

http://globalcomment.com/2010/van...nder-lindsay-vonn-to-johnny-weir/
SlowRower

Depends on the medical reasons, I guess.

My suspicion is that no-one would be able to define the relevant medical reasons or provide any evidence to demonstrate that women are at a greater risk from ski-jumping than men. Anyone designed for child birth must surely be able to deal with a bit oif ski-jumping!

I wonder if it's more to do with there being a minimum weight limit for the blokes. "Fat doesn't fly" as the ski-jumping saying goes, so maybe the fear is that some mere slip of a lass would out-jump the existing "Heroes of Telemark". (Sorry...Smile)
Mrs John Murphy

Perhaps as with minimum age restrictions in gymnastics, the concern would be about anorexia/bulimia, both of which are common in ski jumping and among jockeys. Although it seems unlikely that the authorities would actually be that logical.
berck

bianchigirl wrote:
Interesting piece about gender perceptions and the Olympics - the fact that women aren't allowed to ski jump for 'medical reasons' is so terribly Victorian don't you think?

http://globalcomment.com/2010/van...nder-lindsay-vonn-to-johnny-weir/


Nice article about women's ski jumping here

I noticed this little quote by Dick Pound at the end...

"If in the meantime you're making all kinds of allegations about the IOC and how it's discriminating on the basis of gender," he warned, "the IOC may say, 'Oh yeah, I remember them. They're the ones that embarrassed us and caused us a lot of trouble of trouble in Vancouver, maybe they should wait another four years or eight years.'"
Mrs John Murphy

The way its quoted it is hard to work out if that is a threat from Pound or he is paraphrasing the attitude of the IOC committee.

The arguments from the IOC are piss poor, but then are we really shocked?
Sooty

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
All mouth and no trousers as ever. But then since you've got nothing to actually put out there it's not surprising. I suppose you like the imagined feeling of power owing to your complete lack of it in real life. But so far you've guessed and guessed wrong. Still I'll give you a clue - my age is between 1-99. Guess again and I'll tell you if you are getting any closer.

Normally, people with delusions imagine their own lives to be different, not other peoples. Good to see that you are breaking new ground with your mental degeneration


Sadly part of your delusional behaviour is an obsession with the idea that nobody else is as clever as you.  That is clearly visible all over the forum - there are very few posters on here who haven't been told in explicit terms how they couldn't possibly match up to your incredible intellect.  Get over yourself you mummy's boy - a good education is hardly unique.  And in your case it has been seriously compromised by a whole mess of psychological issues.  What really ails you my child?  Your continued pathetic attempts to impress the gallery by drawing upon your excellent but narrow education are no more relevant to the discussion of cycling than if I sought to impress by boring on about Piero della Francesca.  

And a lesson for you - your closely guarded anonymity on Just Cycling is somewhat at odds with your all too transparent identity on the wider internet.  You've made a complete fool of yourself.

I won't call your bluff because you know full well I won't compromise your id on here - rule number one of forum etiquette.  So bluster away young man - but the reality is that your time may well be drawing to a close.  Something you've yet to learn in life is that what is right, and what is true, does eventually prevail.
CapeRoadie

bianchigirl wrote:
Interesting piece about gender perceptions and the Olympics - the fact that women aren't allowed to ski jump for 'medical reasons' is so terribly Victorian don't you think?

http://globalcomment.com/2010/van...nder-lindsay-vonn-to-johnny-weir/


They used to use the same bullshit reasoning to keep women out of the marathon when in fact women are better suited for marathon than men.
Ralphnorman

There goes my prediction for Sweden winning IH gold. They lost 4-3 to Slovakia. Canada thrashed the Russians 7-3.
Mrs John Murphy

LOL Sooty.  Most people would have given up and moved on. You're the Wile E. Coyote of the forum. The reason why you won't put anything out there is because whatever you do you end up looking even more disturbed than normal. You are mistaking not talking about myself all the time for a secret identity. And of course there is plenty of 'real' information about me on the net. Hardly a shock.

But lets look at your choices:

You can't post anything because you don't have anything. You're reduced to running around talking about your 'power' and guessing about my identity like Gollum from Lord of the Rings. Highly ironic that a Frodo fanboy should be Gollum, a lonely freak wandering earth ranting. Everyone knows that you're a bullshit artist and a liar. Not good for you.

You've got my real information and you post it - fine - doesn't worry me, but it means that you've been stalking me, which to say the least is general mark of madmen and psychopaths - again - doesn't really reflect well on your carefully crafted 'I'm a jolly old english buffer I am' act.

You post the wrong person's information - so not only have you been stalking but you can't even do that right.

Any which way, you end up looking worse than when you've started.

Anyway, perhaps you ought to take a visit to the doc and ask him to up your meds. Perhaps a lie down in a darkened room would help you.

Nevermind old man, perhaps one of your wum ID's can do a better job next time.
Sooty

That was quite an effort from you there young man.  All bullshit and bluster once again though!  

By the way - you're out of the loop.
Mrs John Murphy

Better to be out of the loop than to be escaped from the mental hospital like you.

Like TT, you've run your mouth and you've been called on it. Bullshit and bluster - is that your family motto? seems to be the maxim you live your life to.

Whatever you do you'll end up looking stupid. Don't post and you're a bullshitter, post and you are a stalker and a psychopath. Either way I don't care.

Move on old man, you'll feel a lot better when you do.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Move on old man, you'll feel a lot better when you do.


It's not going to be long before you get out your lightsabre and tell Obi-Wan Sooty that his powers grow weak and that you are now the master.
Mrs John Murphy

Does that make you Luke SlowRower?

I thought you only whipped out your lightsabre when Lance was in view?
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Does that make you Luke SlowRower?

I thought you only whipped out your lightsabre when Lance was in view?


Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Very good indeed.

Presumably Lance would be - cue drumroll - Han Solo
Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Does that make you Luke SlowRower?

I thought you only whipped out your lightsabre when Lance was in view?


Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Very good indeed.

Presumably Lance would be - cue drumroll - Han Solo


Bruyneel as Jabba?
Spoo

Biosphere wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Does that make you Luke SlowRower?

I thought you only whipped out your lightsabre when Lance was in view?


Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Very good indeed.

Presumably Lance would be - cue drumroll - Han Solo


Bruyneel as Jabba?


I'd have had Pat McQuaid down as Jabba and Bruyneel as the evil emporer.
Superbagneres

[Insert gag about C3EPO here]
Mrs John Murphy

Bottle is Boba Fett?

Does this make Dertie - Princess Leia?
SlowRower

We're still short of a Yoda and a Chewbacca.

Pantani was not unlike Yoda facially and Hamilton certainly had the hair to be considered as Chewy if not the height or moral fibre.
Mrs John Murphy


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