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Mrs John Murphy

Wikileaks

Anyone else been enjoying the latest round of whistleblowing. As far as I can tell there is nothing so far that we didn't already know but more that it has confirmed what many have long suspected.
gerry12ie

Not too much new news there, just the confirmation of American foreign policy/paranoia.  Strangely timely given Palin's new allies are throwing shapes.  Berlusconi and Putin are strange bedfellows though...
cadence

gerry12ie wrote:
Not too much new news there, just the  Strangely timely given Palin's new allies are throwing shapes..


I have no idea what that mean, but if it means Palin is an idiot I agree... Wink
gerry12ie

cadence wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Not too much new news there, just the  Strangely timely given Palin's new allies are throwing shapes..


I have no idea what that mean, but if it means Palin is an idiot I agree... Wink


Full force idiot http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/r...24/sarah-palin-north-korea-allies
Mrs John Murphy

Well the Republicans are now calling for the execution of Bradley Manning (the guy who leaked the info) and the 'rape' charges against the founder of Wikileaks have led to him being put on the 'most wanted list'.

The funny thing is that it is basically diplomatic gossip and stuff. You can go into the National Archives in London and read exactly the same sort of things being said about politicians 50 years ago. I came across one document from a British diplomat saying that he didn't care if the Soviets murdered another politician because the politician concerned was an annoying senile old man.
fede40

gerry12ie wrote:
Not too much new news there, just the confirmation of American foreign policy/paranoia.  Strangely timely given Palin's new allies are throwing shapes.  Berlusconi and Putin are strange bedfellows though...


nothing we didn't know about in italy really.

funny thing is that he keeps telling italians that he saved them from communists... not quite sure he knows Putins' career...

he's also very envious of the Kazakh prime minister who, apparently, has 92% consensus. now, for those who don't know, Berlusconi only cares about what surveys say of him and his favourite quote is that he's the most loved prime minister in the western world (by his own people).
Mrs John Murphy

Well it looks like the 'authorities' are all pulling as one. First Amazon - note to self boycott Amazon, then Pay Pal, and now the Swiss of all people have found a reason to close down his bank account.

We've a 'rape' case which looks more and more like a fit-up.

So much for free speech...
gerry12ie

http://www.ellsberg.net/archive/open-letter-to-amazon - Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers in the 70's

MJM - Try the Book Depository its often cheaper and not as afraid of a DDoS.  Amazon are denying pressure from the US government yet Senator Lieberman is claiming that pressure from his office is responsible for Amazon's 'rethink'.  Cowards.
gerry12ie

There are some things Wikileaks can't do - for everything else there is Operation Payback!

http://twitter.com/anon_operation

Mastercard website down all day as hackers 'take revenge'!
Mrs John Murphy

My guess is that the US has decided to 'make an example of wikileaks' to everyone else.

ie if you cross us we can fix charges, we can lean on private companies, no matter where you are in the world we can and will fuck with you.

Although operation payback is good, the problem is that it is very much a gnat biting an elephant.

Twitter are hypocrites - you can use it as a tool against governments, but only certain governments.
paperman

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
My guess is that the US has decided to 'make an example of wikileaks' to everyone else.

ie if you cross us we can fix charges, we can lean on private companies, no matter where you are in the world we can and will fuck with you.

Although operation payback is good, the problem is that it is very much a gnat biting an elephant.

Twitter are hypocrites - you can use it as a tool against governments, but only certain governments.


So the US is very much like wikileaks telling us all something we already know.
SlowRower

It's telling that the information released by Wikileaks is of much less interest than the ongoing legal wranglings involving Mr Assange.

I've not paid too much attention to the divulged information, but did note the perhaps surprising revelations that

i) China would be happy for Korea to be united under the control of the South

ii) Far from the USA being on the brink of unilaterally neuking (sp?) Iran, some other Middle East states have enquired as to the possibility of the USA neuking Iran on their behalf, and been rejected. (I read this in Guardian, so assume it's true, although it seems self-defeating at best in terms of long term strategy!)

I'm more interested in knowing when Jemina Khan became an expert in the Swedish legal system, so she could pronounce with such certainty that Mr Assange is innocent in respect of the allegations made against him.
thunderthighs

nothng came of it...so
Mrs John Murphy

Well it seems that wikileaks and the information that has come out has helped to bring down two governments in North Africa.

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