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ullrichfan

Wiggins out of TDF!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-ruled-out-of-tour-de-france

Froome's to lose.
HuwB

2010 re-visited.
Down to Earth with a bang, after last year boldly going, where no Englishman had gone before.
Can't help that feel that underlying it all is the Tour leadership situation.
 The beach beckons, as designated reserve team leader, not fit for Wiggo's purpose, maybe?
Bartali

Agreed.  I think he's enjoyed himself too much over the winter and realised he was never going to be fully ready for the Giro so started thinking about the Tour.  But ... in the meantime Froome has been a good boy and stuck by the proven 2012 game plan.  Its a no brainer for Sky ... its all money at the end of the day.

Shame really.  Not a huge Wiggins fan, but much prefer him to Froome.
Boogerd_Fan

So all the eggs are in the Froome basket... I think he'll do well to podium.

The new Q will be, which one of Froome or Wiggo will leave in 2014 to lead a different team at Tour?
Slapshot 3

As Bart said, not a huge Wiggins fan but can't stand Froome, just something I don't like about him, not sure what it is but just can't take to him at all. Likewise I don't think he'll have a stroll at the tour either, there's a Spanish Armada to beat not just Berto, when the chips are down I think they will ride for each other as well as teams.
Fontfroide

However good they are at riding bikes, if they were being interviewed, Bradley would be funny and subtle.  Froome and EBH are boring and straightforward.  they just don't seem to have any depth.

However, I will be dead sad to see Bradley out of the Tour, as a result of having blown the Giro and crashed as well.  It will still be fascinating without him.  I do feel feel sorry for him having such a totally useless year.  Maybe he will ride the Vuelta and do well in the World Champs.
gerry12ie

Robert Millar has a spotters badge for Bartali...

Quote:
According to some sources close to the Wiggins camp, it seems that the dicky left knee story might not be exactly the whole truth behind the imposition of July holidays for last year's TdF champion. The can't train reason might have been valid if he hadn't been doing four-hour rides, trying to hit the required numbers. As anyone who has experienced that kind of pain will tell you can't ride even 30 minutes under any kind of effort with a knee injury so four hours, really?


Bartali wrote:
He'll be 'unfit' to ride ... rest assured!  Froome hasn't put a foot wrong and they won't jeopardise that.  Bottle aside (which shouldn't be so easily dismissed) for whatever reasons Wiggins just hasn't prepared well enough this year.  To much celebrity perhaps - and I don't begrudge him that - but while Froome has been on the A programme, Wiggins hasn't.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/...ymoon-is-over-for-sky-and-wiggins

I like Millar's blog, and its always encouraging to see a spot of indulgence in conspiricay theories (Froome's contract negotiation).  I like his proposal that no sprinting in the hoods should be added to 'The Rules' - a particular bugbear of mine...
Beasley

RM makes a good point re. Sutton's redeployment. By all accounts, the man is like a father to Brad.
Slapshot 3

gerry12ie wrote:
Robert Millar has a spotters badge for Bartali...

Quote:
According to some sources close to the Wiggins camp, it seems that the dicky left knee story might not be exactly the whole truth behind the imposition of July holidays for last year's TdF champion. The can't train reason might have been valid if he hadn't been doing four-hour rides, trying to hit the required numbers. As anyone who has experienced that kind of pain will tell you can't ride even 30 minutes under any kind of effort with a knee injury so four hours, really?


Bartali wrote:
He'll be 'unfit' to ride ... rest assured!  Froome hasn't put a foot wrong and they won't jeopardise that.  Bottle aside (which shouldn't be so easily dismissed) for whatever reasons Wiggins just hasn't prepared well enough this year.  To much celebrity perhaps - and I don't begrudge him that - but while Froome has been on the A programme, Wiggins hasn't.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/...ymoon-is-over-for-sky-and-wiggins

I like Millar's blog, and its always encouraging to see a spot of indulgence in conspiricay theories (Froome's contract negotiation).  I like his proposal that no sprinting in the hoods should be added to 'The Rules' - a particular bugbear of mine...


Question is...... Is Bartali really Robert Miller in disguise???

It's a good blog, Robert is too easily dismissed as a bit wacko but he's on the money about the sport more often that he is wrong, that's a good score for a cycling pundit!!
pantanifan

In the absence of smarauder, I thought I'd check the betting odds for this year's Tour, and it seems the bookmakers think it's going to be a straight fight between Froome and Contador   www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/cycling/tour-de-france

Anyone have any ideas for a good outside bet?
Biosphere

pantanifan wrote:
Anyone have any ideas for a good outside bet?


Quintana?
gerry12ie

The bookies cant see outside of their Froome/Contador fixation so there is actually good value generally, but especially at Movistar:

Porte - 20/1
Quinatana - 22/1
TVG - 40/1
Valverde - 40/1
Hesjedal - 80/1
Costa - 250/1

All look attractive in some way...
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
The bookies cant see outside of their Froome/Contador fixation ...


Well isn't it as much the punters? Bookies odds reflect where the money is going to at least an extent.

Are you saying that Porte is 3rd favourite at 20/1? Good value indeed Shocked
pantanifan

What about Uran at 226/1?
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
The bookies cant see outside of their Froome/Contador fixation ...


Well isn't it as much the punters? Bookies odds reflect where the money is going to at least an extent.

Are you saying that Porte is 3rd favourite at 20/1? Good value indeed Shocked


Great value, but Sky don't do Plan B terribly well - although that's more a case of not having to...

Bookies won't give up on Andy though, as short as 40/1 - yet Mollema is 250/1.  I know where my money would be in a match bet  Wink
HuwB

I'm surprised that Quintana's odds are half that of his team leader.
Presumably, this is down to him beating Porte at Pais Vaco.
We all knew about his climbing potential, but that ITT was quite a revelation.
To me, he's quite the enigma and by all logic, too young.
(not to mention he hasn't turned a pedal in anger since April)
gerry12ie

Yes, Movi have had a few TTs that were out of the blue this season, esp Quintana and Amador and I note Piti is riding the TT at the nationals.  Quintana is the big unknown in this years equation for sure.  Contador might find himself sidelined a little in a straight scrap between Sky and Movistar...
Boogerd_Fan

Uran's odds are so bad probably because he's not even made the final 9... Smile
pantanifan

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Uran's odds are so bad probably because he's not even made the final 9... Smile


Embarassed  

I guess that really does make him an outsider!
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
. . . Bookies won't give up on Andy though, as short as 40/1 - yet Mollema is 250/1. . . .


Is that the bookies or the loyal fanbase that can't give him up Wink

If he can get his head and legs in the right place (a big if I know), then not having big brother there might play to his advantage if he can instead have someone with a bit of nous and professional distance pulling his strings.
mazda

pantanifan wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Uran's odds are so bad probably because he's not even made the final 9... Smile


Embarassed  

I guess that really does make him an outsider!


lol
Some outsiders are moreoutside than others.

I thought 225/1 might be the default price for "no interest".
However, if Mollema and Costa are both at 250/1 then clearly there is something else going on.
Maybe people have had money on Uran from earlier in the year, expecting him to be there.
Biosphere

Apologies for dragging this thread on topic Wink

Quick turnaround from targeting the double to never riding Tour again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...s-never-ride-tour-de-france-again
MAILLOT JAUNE

Thanks Bio, I was getting bored of all the betting stuff. Maybe a separate thread should be started.
Bartali

.... retirement looms.  

I don't think I've ever heard/read a riegning TdF champion say that the ToB was something he really wanted to win.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
.... retirement looms.  

I don't think I've ever heard/read a riegning TdF champion say that the ToB was something he really wanted to win.


Then again, there has never been a reigning TdF champion who was British.   Wink

Which does not change my mind about the second rate nature of the ToB.  I figure he will ride next year, but that the big time tours might just be missed out.  However, I also think it is likely that he might retire, as you suggest.  But after the classics.
Bartali

Good point about the ToB!

Personally I can't see him being too successful in the classics.  He has (had) a big engine, but IMO he isn't gritty or explosive enough for the Ardennes or Lombardy; he can't sprint well enough for San Remo; and he'd almost certainly fall of in Roubaix and Flanders.

One week Tours maybe the way to go ...
Slapshot 3

Crass attempt at the classics and one weekers next year, all out tilt at the hour in 2015, Rio 2016 retitre!
mr shifter

Well that's sorted the rest of his career then.

He has surprised you before and I think he has a lot more balls to surprise you again.
I await developments and perhaps he might turn out for Wigan.

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