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Boogerd_Fan

What would you do?

Guys, i just got back from my first crash in 3 years cycling... the last one had me in hospital, this time, i was the avenger...

On a dangerous t-junction crossing in the town centre, cars & bikes get 4 seconds from when lights are amber (changing to red) to make it across a pedestrian crossing 20m along the adjoinging street... including turning left, riding over 2 tramlines, and 3 lanes of adjacent traffic. After those 4 seconds, the crossing goes green, and people walk across.

I went on amber, knowing i'd have to be quick before the adjacent traffic was going to start driving.. but i forgot that cars turning right, are allowed already to go, so imagine that me vs. a car trying to both get into the same lane driving off the main road into the adjoining road in the T junction.

So i stuck left (remember this is Continental), allowing space for the car to continue by, before i'd slink in behind him, before any other cars turned right too.

Next thing i know a woman is in front of my front wheel as i'm hitting 25kmph accelerating away from the tramlines, and even with a last minute swerve, i shoulder barge her in the face, her sunglasses getting thrown 20m away, and she herself being thrown down backwards to the ground with a CLUNK!

It doesnt help matters that 20-30 other people are crossing this pedestrian crossing, nor that i didnt see it was on green. So 1 girl races to aid this woman, i pick up all the crap in the road (sunglasses, me, my bike) and take it off the highway... she calls her husband...

Its at this time, I realise, I should've just f***ing pegged it, the bike lane was another 50m up the road, and i could've used it to cross the river and be out of there like lance armstrong.

However, I stayed, saw the husband pull up and get arsy, he called an ambulance for his whacked wife, and also the cops... to deal with me. Of course, today being an uneventful day, and my first day on the bike for a week, I was just loving my luck, of all things, that i had not taken with me to work today, was my foreigners ID card.

So i had to eat humble pie to the husband, and ask for his mobile (i also ran out of credit!) so i could call my girl and ask her to GET HELP DAMN FAST! My slovak is still basic, and i didn't want to have to explain to police this situation in my limited vocab / english.

Her step-father raced there with all my credentials... and we were taken into the police van for statements. I was given a breathalizer... and also had a printed receipt to "prove" i am clean for drugs & alcohol!
Laughing

Next issue was that the witness who helped her up, claimed that my traffic lights had been red, they in effect must've been by the time i crossed through the pedestians line of crossing... however when i powered through the adjacent lights 4 seconds prior to the crash, they'd been on a late amber... going red any second now,style, omg, push push, you can make it!

Concentrating so hard on the oncoming vehicle, i didn't bother to look up at the pedestrian lights, and as i rode through the first line of people, shea actually was like the 5th or 6th person in the first row, and probably didn't see me or my ropey decision to cross on amber until it was too late.

I've sprained my wrist trying to swerve out of her path... but judging from the nosebleed, and purple face, she definitely came off the worse.

Naturally the blood and seeing his wife in shock on the side of the road got the husband fired up. He was taking shots of everything, from the UK barcode of my Giant Ocr2, to the shit on the underside of the downtube.
I think he may even be trying to get evidence that i was in a high gear, judging from one of the photograph angles. But what does that prove?

I'd rather hit a pedestrian than run my own luck against the large family-sized carrier that was about to hit me instead, however, i wonder if i've drawn the short straw on how this is going to pan out. Will be interesting to see how my rights to live in Slovakia get affected by becoming a criminal (at least in the eyes of the victims!)

She got whisked off to hospital in an ambulance, due the swelling on the back of her head, is that my fault, that she was so imbalanced she got thrown headfirst to the tarmac?

I know a lot of other riders who'd have kept going regardless, and i remember my own incident, where in a state of shock, i embarassingly accepted the offer to get a lift to hospital with the offending driver, while the witnesses stole my bike!!!! So my urge to just jump on bike and ride away from this one was high... i wonder why i didn't bother legging it?

Anyway, now my guardian over here (i'm 26 but hey, he's not family yet) has been to the scene, even counting the sequence of the traffic lights... i'm just sitting here waiting for the cops to show up or make a call that i'm wanted at the station.

Interesting story, but bloody hell, why me!? Laughing

For the record, i was in my boogie jersey too. At least they all know not to mess with Cyclo-wannabies anymore!!!
forza_petacchi

If it was here, I'd tell the ped to f*** off and ride away.

Not actually. But I would get away. FAST. Because 99% of the time they'd sue.
Boogerd_Fan

That is what i am currently sitting here waiting for, the nasty phone call that this is gonna end up with me in the shit.
forza_petacchi

However, if I car ever hits me, I will sue them too...... Very Happy

I'm not really clear on how this exactly happened....were you in a bike lane? Are there separate lights for pedestrians?

Oh and by the way, you should say that just because the light was red when she walked into you, that doesn't mean it was so when you started to cross, and (at least here) you're supposed to finish crossing once you've started.
Boogerd_Fan

I was in the traffic lane... no bike lane... but i have to go through this T-junction to cross from a bike lane that runs parallel to the danube, to the bike lane crossing to my side of the river.

There is a separate lane for what i was trying to do, which was turn left on the main road... this is where i got the orange and braced myself...

After turning left, there is immediately the crossing, where she says that the my lane was already red, and that the crossing was on green. Incidentally from the front row of pedestrians waiting to cross, it is impossible to see the traffic that told me amber. So her claim it was already red, is a lie. She couldn't have seen or known that, but assumed it, cos she had green.

We timed the moment of Amber->Red on my lane, and the green of the crossing... and i had 4 seconds to cross the tram lanes, 3 lanes of traffic, and ride through the crossing, before the people arrived...

If she moved as soon as the crossing hit green, i'd imagine that this is why she was sticking out from the other people, thus in my way, by the time i rode over her ass.
cardinal guzman

Hey BF,

here in Britain, as long as the lights are not red as you cross the line to enter a junction, then you are legally in the right, no matter how long it takes you to turn the corner. From there, it depends what the rules are regarding care and attention/jaywalking - you may be able to sue her already bruised butt Wink
Bartali

Sounds like a mess BF - stranger in a strange country and all that! Still, as the Cardinal says, maybe you should sue her!

That said, at least she doesn't appear to be seriously hurt and thankfully you weren't hit by the car - or the husband! Hope it all work out well.
Ralphnorman

hope you and her are both alright BF, but I think that you are in the right.....don't know what the regulations are over there, but I agree with CG......maybe you knocked all the sense out of her Wink
Boogerd_Fan

CNN Breaking News:

She's broken her nose on my shoulder, which probably means Hubby is after my blood now Laughing
Ralphnorman

we'll hop on the 1st plane over there and give him what for if he is eh? Wink
chasm

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
CNN Breaking News:

She's broken her nose on my shoulder, which probably means Hubby is after my blood now Laughing


She's broken her nose on your shoulder as opposed to you've broken her nose on your shoulder?

I'm hardly in a position to judge, because I wasn't there, but from your description it seems pretty difficult to conclude that this was all her fault. It sounds as if you were concentrating on the car and didn't consider that pedestrians would be setting off across the road. Understandable as this might be, it isn't what you could call a watertight defence.

Be that as it may, of course you were right to stick around. Imagine what we'd have been saying in these forums if the car had hit you and driven off, irrespective of whose fault it was.
cardinal guzman

chasm wrote:

I'm hardly in a position to judge, because I wasn't there, but from your description it seems pretty difficult to conclude that this was all her fault. It sounds as if you were concentrating on the car and didn't consider that pedestrians would be setting off across the road. Understandable as this might be, it isn't what you could call a watertight defence.


Hi Chasm,

we're all responsible for our own safety, so I suppose it would be churlish to put sole blame on the pedestrian, but whether on foot, my bike or in my car, when traffic lights change, I make sure there is nothing in my way before I set off, as directed by the highway code, which defines the law in this case (at least in Britain). The pedestrian should have thought once, thought twice, thought bike!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4690164.stm
Boogerd_Fan

I'm certainly not saying i'm in the right for how i acted, but i don't believe i'm the only person at fault. Accidents can and probably will happen.

As you concluded Chasm, i was fully concentrated on the car, first thing i knew about the people was when i bumped into one of them. Sad

Also, she was wearing sunglasses, those big fashionable types.. they're lethal to the bridge of your nose, if you get hit by anything moving quickly. I'm guessing the impact of me, hammering the shades into her nose, caused the breakage... so yeah, my fault Wink but it would've been great had she not been there either Rolling Eyes


further update:
when they called about the broken nose; they were calm and not angry. Maybe they'll let sleeping dogs lie Smile My girl is back too, so finally i have someone to translate this from English into proper slovak Laughing
Ralphnorman

sounds like an accident IMO......an apology would be reasonable but I don't know how bad the Slovak police/public are....
CapeRoadie

I'd say you did the right thing by staying and not fleeing the scene of the accident (which definitely is a crime where I live). It was an accident. I might call a lawyer/solicitor just to make sure you are clear about YOUR rights. Also, it's always a good idea to be apologetic and caring if that's how you feel. I think that means a lot to people. You did the right thing, and you can rest easy because you did so. I wouldn't sweat it. It could have been a lot worse. Accidents happen.
berck

You need to find out what the laws are in your locale. What is legal/illegal in Britain or the States doesn't necessarily apply. CR's advice is good.

Hopefully nothing legal will be an issue, but its unfortunately that your bike was taken. At least now, maybe you can get a Parlee Wink
forza_petacchi

Yeah, how did that happen?
Boogerd_Fan

hehe my bike was taken in 2004.. this time around I made sure no-one aint touching it but me!!!

I've got a good lawyer friend (doesn't everyone) who can give me the nitty gritty if necessary. But the lady was released from hospital already, it's likely she'll take some time off work while her head resembles a turnip, as would anybody... and i may become liable for missed-salary. In Slovakia, we are allowed 5 days paid in full for sick leave, after that its unpaid leave. But that depends if they pursue it.

Damages to her person will be covered by the compulsory medical insurance over here. So i won't pay any medical costs, more that I am responsible for the damage to herself over the next 2 weeks, while she's got a sorehead and if this affects any of her plans...

I can definitely feel lucky that the back of her head was OK. I've located the 'knock' where her nose met me, and its actually just above the ear on my left side, so skull vs. nose, skull won. The second impact, when she got tangled in my bike and fell over back of head first, was looking worse than her nose at the roadside, so maybe they won't be so vicious with chasing my ass now they know that is only minor bumps & scratches.
berck

Oops, I guess I confused the prior incident with this one.

Hopefully things will all work out fine.
sheeponabike

Re: What would you do?

Boogerd_Fan wrote:

She got whisked off to hospital in an ambulance, due the swelling on the back of her head, is that my fault, that she was so imbalanced she got thrown headfirst to the tarmac?

Shocked Shocked
I know we're all bikers and we've got to stick together, but Jesus.....
Boogerd_Fan

My consultation with legal friend didn't go so well. If the lady remains out of work longer than the alotted week, she has to file a paper with the police basically giving the reason of her absense as ME! I'd be taken to court, probably fined & asked to pay damages/compensation to her salary for the time she missed.
forza_petacchi

Well, its better to know that than to be caught out by it. By the way, that's a terrible law, because in this country, people would intentionally miss work so they could get compensated.
cardinal guzman

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
My consultation with legal friend didn't go so well. If the lady remains out of work longer than the alotted week, she has to file a paper with the police basically giving the reason of her absense as ME! I'd be taken to court, probably fined & asked to pay damages/compensation to her salary for the time she missed.


Crying or Very sad That's bollocks. (as in not right rather than not true!) So if I want a week off work boating on the Danube, I just need to step out in front of a cyclist?
Boogerd_Fan

I don't pretend to have any idea what my rights are in this issue, but I also think its a bit strange, she can put her feet up for 2 weeks, and then claim that i have to pay her salary for the second week as the cause of her injuries.

I'm guessing it would need to be fully supported by doctors signature etc.

Also it assumes that in court, I am adjudged full blame of the accident. Can't really argue with that as I hit her as she was crossing under a green light... although our defence looks to hinge around 2 factors...

That when i left my berth to turn into the sideroad, i had amber light, we've timed how long it takes for the pedestrian crossing to be green - after the first light first turns AMBER. It is 4 seconds. By that time, that first light is red, and the greenman is flashing on the second lights. Those 4 seconds are where I crossed 2 tramlines, 3 traffic lanes and into the side road... trying to miss the family carrier doing the same movement mirror-like to me from the opposite lane. A car would take possibly 1 or 2 seconds to drive this distance around the corner, so that is probably why just catching the amber on the light, was not such a good idea as by the time i reached the pedestrian crossing, it was too late.

The witness wrote that i went through the first traffic lights on red, when we have already investigated and proved to the police that the witness is lying. The traffic lights in question, are actually outside of the line of sight - even when turned to face them, you couldn't see their color from the witnesses viewpoint.

The second point is that there were 20-30 people at that crossing, and i rode past a fair number of them, who HAD seen me, and stopped walking. Only she had carried on further - or reacted quicker to their being a green man thus walked farther (it could've only just have been activated in those 4 seconds it took me to get there!). Something along the lines of neglect for safety and bam! When actually people around her had gotten clear.

I have a great sense of guilt and don't mind admitting i was definitely in the wrong. But i'd like to think that I am not going to be fined or charged for my mistake. After all it was an accident based on some freaky timing. With hindsight i'd love to not have decided to carry on riding through an orange light... but I knew the oncoming traffic had 30m to drive before reaching my position, so thought i could slip through up the side road. Other people crossing reacted to my being there by stopping or getting out of the way, and its probably that she was unsighted on the far side of the crossing, that she didnt see me coming until it was too late for her to do the same thing.

Kind of strange situation, but i'm going to keep in touch with the husband (english speaker!) to try and prove i'm sincere and guilty for causing any harm to his wife. I hope the sincerity shows i'm not some bastard and that they don't try to use any of their rights to screw me over.

The police will receive a report of her injuries and the time she was on sick leave because of them. They won't receive this until she has recovered and deemed fit to work by a doctor. based on that i'll probably receive a record that will be on my name for 3 years, and a small fine for dangerous riding/driving?

Dammit!
cardinal guzman

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Kind of strange situation, but i'm going to keep in touch with the husband (english speaker!) to try and prove i'm sincere and guilty for causing any harm to his wife.



!!!!!!! very laudable, but make sure you do not incriminate yourself - by saying things like you are guilty. You may feel guilty, but she stepped in front of you and you weren't travelling slow enough to do anything about it.
Boogerd_Fan

Yep, i had a bit of freak out, typing that post haha Smile

new update from her: she can't breathe properly and she is going to hospital to clear bleeding from the nose.. in an operation they couldnt perform yesterday due to the swelling.
Talk about milking it. I guess that means i've got to be prepared she'll be off work longer than a week Sad
CapeRoadie

I feel bad for you, Boogerd-Fan. Is your legal friend highly experienced/trained in these matters? If not, I might consider hiring a legal non-friend who is. You need to understand your rights fully. Does the woman have any role in the accident? If she is truly partly to blame, then that needs to be said, and proved. It's "he said vs. she said", is it not? You seem to be missing details of the legal situation. Anyway, I think it's good that you stay in touch with the husband to show your concern. I think that is good. It was an accident. You are doing the right thing. Good luck!
CapeRoadie

By the way, if she has any pre-existing medical conditions that play a role in her current health status, those cannot be blamed on the present accident.
chasm

Re: What would you do?

sheeponabike wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:

She got whisked off to hospital in an ambulance, due the swelling on the back of her head, is that my fault, that she was so imbalanced she got thrown headfirst to the tarmac?

Shocked Shocked
I know we're all bikers and we've got to stick together, but Jesus.....


Indeed. I suggest we consider how this looks from the injured pedestrian's point of view. I'm standing at a junction waiting for the lights to change so I can cross the road. The light goes green and I, and a bunch of others, start to walk. Next thing I know a cyclist "accelerating to 25 mph" crashes into me, breaking my nose with his head and throwing me backwards so that I hit the back of my head on the ground.

Now, while I'm recovering from this impact I'm told that other pedestrians caught sight of the oncoming cyclist and stopped walking, so it must be my fault that this accident happened. I don't think I'm going to be too sympathetic to this viewpoint. I'm going to say that the cause of the accident is the cyclist going on amber, and going like a bat out of hell to make it across the road before the lights changed, while giving no attention to the fact that people might be crossing the road because they have right of way. I think if it comes to court, I'm going to win.

Sorry, Boogerd. I just think that if we're going to criticize drivers for paying no attention to cyclists and thereby endangering them, we have to apply the same standards to ourselves when it comes to pedestrians. How does your situation differ from that of the Mondeo driver who ran into Bartali and said "I didn't see you"?
Boogerd_Fan

Chasm, i agree with you completely... that why this completely sucks!!!! Wink

As a previous victim of crashes, i can't say that she is to blame for the impact at all. But i do want to prove that in some freaky 4 second window of time that there was possible for me to have some right to be where i was too. I cannot escape the blame for hitting the pedestrian on a 'green light' for them to walk infront of me, but i do want to at least show i had followed the rules too.
forza_petacchi

As a New Yorker, I believe you should ALWAYS check both ways (unless its a one-way street) before crossing. ALWAYS. You never know when some stupid cabbie or bike messenger is going to come and hit you, and then get away before you can get their information. That's why I really have no sympathy for this person.
chasm

forza_petacchi wrote:
As a New Yorker, I believe you should ALWAYS check both ways (unless its a one-way street) before crossing. ALWAYS. You never know when some stupid cabbie or bike messenger is going to come and hit you, and then get away before you can get their information. That's why I really have no sympathy for this person.


LOL!! Typical New Yorker. It's her fault because she didn't make sure that no "stupid cabbie or bike messenger" had any opportunity to hit her.
Ralphnorman

I'm gonna get slagged for this but...typical woman...does stupid things at stupid times.....
forza_petacchi

chasm wrote:
forza_petacchi wrote:
As a New Yorker, I believe you should ALWAYS check both ways (unless its a one-way street) before crossing. ALWAYS. You never know when some stupid cabbie or bike messenger is going to come and hit you, and then get away before you can get their information. That's why I really have no sympathy for this person.


LOL!! Typical New Yorker. It's her fault because she didn't make sure that no "stupid cabbie or bike messenger" had any opportunity to hit her.

Sorry, but that's one of the things about living in cities. YOU HAVE TO BE ATTENTIVE AT ALL TIMES. Its how you don't get killed, mugged, etc. She needs to realize that this was at least 40% her fault. You can NEVER say that all of the fault is on one person.
cyclingtv

the best way through this.. is to see this from BF's view.. she walked into the side of BF's bike..
so in fact she probably left the curb early.. BF needs to forget all about his first statement..
'I turned when the light was yellow.. having 4 seconds to complete the turn'.. sounds too defensive..
what BF needed to 'believe'(and say).. that when he made his turn the light was green..
who cares what color it was by the time.. she walked into his bike.. sounds more righteous..
what can you to do now.. if required.. stop talking to everyone... then get a lawyer..
and correct all his statements to the required 'facts'.. that see him clear of this mess..

threaten to sue her for damages.. for you and your bike.. whether there were any or not.. think offensive..
if she hadn't stepped onto roadway unattentively into your bike.. no accident.. her fault 100%..
nice guys will get screwed every time.. if you let the leeches of the world get to you.. so don't..
no need the act like you.. did anything wrong.. stick to the belief and knowledge.. it was her fault..
CapeRoadie

Wow, cyclingtv. Lawyer?

Boogerd_Fan, just know your rights and take it from there. You'll be alright.
cyclingtv

CapeRoadie wrote:
Wow, cyclingtv. Lawyer?

Boogerd_Fan, just know your rights and take it from there. You'll be alright.
ha ha.. no.. retired banker.. not a low as a lawyer.. but close.. so strictly as a business call..
this was an accident.. not a personal interaction in any way.. BF need not make it personal..

if BF knew he was at fault.. he would have fessed up by now... but I don't think he is..
but he sure is running scared.. that needs to stop.. if he believes he did nothing wrong..
forza_petacchi

By the way, if she sues you, sue her back. Immediately.
chasm

Ralphnorman wrote:
I'm gonna get slagged for this but...typical woman...does stupid things at stupid times.....


Unlike stupid adolescent boys who, on the evidence one of them provides in this forum, says stupid things at all times.
Boogerd_Fan

forza_petacchi wrote:
By the way, if she sues you, sue her back. Immediately.


w0rd.. my bike got scratched!

btw... apparently i can't really duck out of the police fine; as that is going to be written up in a closed hearing based on the police report. We've already arranged a meeting with the cop for next Saturday to write up a better english version of events, and to go over my side of events with an interpreter.

We've been told its a very very very low percentage of victims who are still unsatisfied with the offender paying just a fine, and go for the lawsuit too. However, considering all her medical expenses will be covered by the compulsory medical insurance, the only thing she can sue me for is reshaping her face and wrecking her life for the next few weeks. The problem with dragging it out like this; is that it would require a separate court case to the accident, and many people don't feel like bothering. fingers crossed there!

I can escape the fine by declaring it will be too much for me to pay. Then i'll be given community service; which by the time i get the verdict, will probably mean freezing my arse off at 4-6am clearing snow in January lol.
berck

chasm wrote:

LOL!! Typical New Yorker. It's her fault because she didn't make sure that no "stupid cabbie or bike messenger" had any opportunity to hit her.


I believe that here in California she would actually be at fault or at least 50% at fault. The reason is that you have to give way to traffic that enters the intersection legally, regardless if you have a green light or a signal to proceed. Traffic must be allowed to clear the intersection that entered it legally. Now, if the traffic entered the intersection illegally, then the pedestrian would still be at fault for the cause of the accident, but less than 50%. The reason is that they didn't look before proceeding. Although given the right to proceed is only after you've determined that its also safe to proceed.

This may not mean much where BF is located. Its all dependent upon local laws.
cyclingtv

+1.. well spoken..
Biosphere

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, it might be best to stop discussing your defence strategy in an open forum.

I know it's pretty unlikely that the injured party will come across it here, but you never know . . .
Beasley

Whatever you do, get advice from a legal non-friend before you do anything rash.

Your friend will have your best intentions at heart, but someone more impartial/detached may see things a different way.
kellyrocheearly

berck wrote:
chasm wrote:

LOL!! Typical New Yorker. It's her fault because she didn't make sure that no "stupid cabbie or bike messenger" had any opportunity to hit her.


I believe that here in California she would actually be at fault or at least 50% at fault. The reason is that you have to give way to traffic that enters the intersection legally, regardless if you have a green light or a signal to proceed. Traffic must be allowed to clear the intersection that entered it legally. Now, if the traffic entered the intersection illegally, then the pedestrian would still be at fault for the cause of the accident, but less than 50%. The reason is that they didn't look before proceeding. Although given the right to proceed is only after you've determined that its also safe to proceed.

This may not mean much where BF is located. Its all dependent upon local laws.


different in Massachusetts, here you MUST let the pedestrian cross before going ahead no matter if the light is red, yellow or green
grrr

In the UK the pedestrian has right of way if they are crossing a street that a car/cyclist is turning into:
http://camdencyclists.org.uk/info/tforum/pedestrianpriority
Boogerd_Fan

Good article there grrr, cheers - i don't think i hold the attitude of the driver "get outta my way!"... i know my crime, rather than showing complete ignorance.

On a further update, the police informed me that the victim has 21 days to file her injuries report. A document that will undoubtedly decide my fate, as it will prove/disprove the lady was put into a serious condition by the accident.

I will face a fine for negligence - but this will be small - compared to if the lady does not submit her form, and the police can investigate the issue further to find out why not. Especially if there is a complication with her recovery that oversteps that 21 day mark. Then the injuries will be judged critical, and i can expect a heavier fine, and more issues regarding the below "extras"

On a separate issue, the victim can attempt to sue me for any other damages, medical repair & etc is covered, so we're talking here missed salary, missed vacation (if any), and other errr expenses, of having to sit at home and be inactive for xx days. In that respect, i'm quite lucky she broke her nose, rather than leg, or even more fortunate, hadn't received some worse injuries.

Missed Salary - is based on the number of days she can claim off work for accidents without actually losing 100% pay. The theory being she can ask me to pay any days she was out of work, where she receives less than 100%.

Missed Vacation - is in case she was flying to Turkey that afternoon to sit in the sun for two weeks, that of course, would be a shit issue on my part Smile

There is probably some other things that a "opportunist" would look to get me to pay for too. I hope that the family involved know that it was an accident and that i'm no idiot, and that they don't try to punish my mistake to the high heavens.

How many of those type of honest people are left in this world though?

So thursday is D-Day.
Bartali

Well for what its worth, I'm keeping a running log of all the additional expense that I have had to incur due to my injuries. BUT ... I am not taking liberties. Taxi's rather than tubes at rush hour, but I don't use taxis all the time, for example. (in fact not at all anymore because I am now stable enough on my feet)
grrr

I think that most people are honest, Boogie. I'm sure she's aware that it was an accident and that a claim against an individual is not something to be made lightly.

If she doesn't then make sure you ride into Bartali next time!
Boogerd_Fan

lol Smile

He's a sitting duck at the minute too!


One of the things about my situation that is kind of creepy/un-nerving, is that usually we're the ones on the receiving end... so we all know quite well, what she will be going through right now.

As Bartali is doing, i'd be looking to make sure any inconvenience is rightfully attributed and settled. My role in my accident aside, i also want to see that she respectfully recovers, and gets what she is entitled to from my mistake. (disclaimer: but no more than that! hehe i'm a poor man!)

Fortunately, at the time, the lady & husband seemed quite normal about this. Whether this will have changed over 2-3 weeks, when they have had to visit the hospital XX times and lost sleep over the way her nose is repairing etc. I'll have to wait and find out!
CapeRoadie

There are many honest people left in the world, Boogerd_Fan.
Ralphnorman

good luck BF, but i'm sure that she will be reasonable
Boogerd_Fan

Coppers were in touch yesterday. Unfortunately they called me directly and spoke too quickly to:
a) get understood
b) get passed on to someone who could understand

Result = I know i need to do something, but not what

Typical. Smile

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