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cadence

Well that was easy


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MAILLOT JAUNE

Brilliant!
Bartali

Oh hell .... wait until Mr S sees that!!  Smile
Slapshot 3

erm.....what does he mean, England first...aye right!!
Guiness

I always wonder if kids don't learn this stuff at school anymore? I know in my geography lessons and history lessons all this was hammered into us.
fede40

Now, I finally understand!!!!

Laughing
maffy

Guiness wrote:
I always wonder if kids don't learn this stuff at school anymore? I know in my geography lessons and history lessons all this was hammered into us.


indeed.

some would say that it's a shame that elfinsafety regs have reduced the modern educator's toolkit to a namby-pamby rubber mallet for hardware related knowledge insertion Wink
Nolte

Guiness wrote:
I always wonder if kids don't learn this stuff at school anymore? I know in my geography lessons and history lessons all this was hammered into us.


i'm not british and i knew most of it including the falklands island war

the main information i derived was that there were places called Akrotiri and Dhekelia and a wiki search afterwards shows these are sovereign bases on cyprus Smile
cadence

For some of us Americans its Greek...not English...
kathy

Well, I'm glad I actually knew all that because the guy was talking far too fast Laughing
Severo

I might give this to some of my students. Polish language is underequipped to talk about the different concepts - even the British Embassy wrote something in English and Polish the other day - using UK in English then using Great Britain in Polish (the term for UK - Zjednoczone Królestwo - is almost unheard of in Polish).
Fontfroide

Excellent explanation, although I also didn't know and had never heard of the bases on Cyprus.  I remember trying to get all this straight when I first arrived in England many years ago.  I found out pretty quickly that many English people (as well as others nationals living in the UK) did not actually know all that.  They knew some of it, but their detailed explanations broke down pretty quickly.  I think it was the Crown Dependencies that caused a bit of bother.

For me the most obviously silly thing is all of the British nations getting a national football team.  I guess that comes from the ancient days when Football was invented.  A bit like Israel getting in the Eurovision Song Contest and the European championship, when it is obviously not in Europe.  I like the French and their DOMTOM also.  Mainly good places to take holidays.

I wonder if all countries have so many leftovers, or whether the UK and France top the league for anomalies.  The Spanish and the Portuguese also had some big empires, do they have strange territories too?

As far as the USA goes, if you try to ring the American Virgin Islands as part of your phone deals, you find out they are not part of the USA.
berck

Fontfroide wrote:

As far as the USA goes, if you try to ring the American Virgin Islands as part of your phone deals, you find out they are not part of the USA.


Sure, but the US Virgin Islands are. They are part of the NANP. Its just a long distance phone call, and depending on your plan, it may already be included
Fontfroide

Should have reminded you that my plan is in France, and the Virgin Islands, Alaska and Hawaii do not count as the USA.  Do NOT ask me why.  I know because my brother lives in the Vi and although he knows and I know that "They are classified by the UN as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, and are currently an organized, unincorporated United States territory."  One thing is sure, you have to pay normal rates from FRance and nearly any plan, certainly mine.  USA is normally free on my plan.  Stuff like that always reminds me that everyone's map of the world is different and it is always more complicated than you think.
maffy

Fontfroide wrote:

I wonder if all countries have so many leftovers, or whether the UK and France top the league for anomalies.  The Spanish and the Portuguese also had some big empires, do they have strange territories too?


couple of years back, watching the all-singing all-dancing wonderful volta a portugal, one accidentally went on a wikipedia waste of timequest about the portuguese empire. was surprised about the timeline of goa's final integration into india and the fact they get linked from the (united kingdom) disambiguation page.

can't have been last year, as there were twelvety-seven other races on at the same time as the volta Wink

wasn't there some talk of the vuelta visiting ceuta floating around recently, or did i imagine that?

favourite off season map - facebook's answer to the cia world factbook.


click bigger

tahiti's brightly lit.
kathy

Ceuta and Mellila on the north African coast are SPanish, and there was an area in North-Western Africa known as the Spanish Sahara until recently (lots of trouble there!).

Fontfroide, my Dad was at the base in Akrotiri for a while when he was in the RN.
Fontfroide

Cool map Maffy.  I do like to see those 'empty' areas, there in lies the hope of human kind.
berck

Fontfroide wrote:
Should have reminded you that my plan is in France, and the Virgin Islands, Alaska and Hawaii do not count as the USA.  Do NOT ask me why.  I know because my brother lives in the Vi and although he knows and I know that "They are classified by the UN as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, and are currently an organized, unincorporated United States territory."  One thing is sure, you have to pay normal rates from FRance and nearly any plan, certainly mine.  USA is normally free on my plan.  Stuff like that always reminds me that everyone's map of the world is different and it is always more complicated than you think.


I see they only give you the Continental USA (Only 48 states, and no territories) in your plan.
MAILLOT JAUNE

What's a "plan" ? Am I missing out on something?
berck

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
What's a "plan" ? Am I missing out on something?


FF is talking about long distance service and what he gets for free. I've heard them often referred to as 'plans'. As in service plans.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Thanks berck, but you've lost me now - service plan? Que est que c'est?
Biosphere

Phone calls. Which countries you can phone and for how much. I get unlimited calls to some of Europe for €10 a month.
berck

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Thanks berck, but you've lost me now - service plan? Que est que c'est?


Well, its probably that we use different terms on this side of the pond. Check out the VOIP plans offered by Vonage. I hope that helps.

Bio's on the mark!
MAILLOT JAUNE

Thanks for taking the time to help explain berck. You're talking about " telephone/computer type communication" plans Thought you might have been on about pension plans! D'oh! Rolling Eyes
berck

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to help explain berck. You're talking about " telephone/computer type communication" plans Thought you might have been on about pension plans! D'oh! Rolling Eyes


No problem. I feel the same when I see you guys using terms I don't understand much either.  Embarassed
Biosphere

berck wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to help explain berck. You're talking about " telephone/computer type communication" plans Thought you might have been on about pension plans! D'oh! Rolling Eyes


No problem. I feel the same when I see you guys using terms I don't understand much either.  Embarassed


So which terms are those?

It was an Irishman who noted that England and America were two countries divided by a common language Smile
kathy

I notice that you said 'America' in your last post.  Perhaps Berck and other US citizens would care to comment on this.  I refer to the US or the United States when talking about the country which lots of people refer to as 'America'.  To me, 'America' consists of all the countires of North and South America, not just the US.
berck

Biosphere wrote:

So which terms are those?

It was an Irishman who noted that England and America were two countries divided by a common language Smile


I should say terms and phrases. I often have to read Mr S's posts carefully to understand his meaning at times. When I first saw the terms like WUMing and sockpuppet, I wasn't sure exactly what they meant. It's usually little things that come up here and there.

kathy wrote:
I notice that you said 'America' in your last post.  Perhaps Berck and other US citizens would care to comment on this.  I refer to the US or the United States when talking about the country which lots of people refer to as 'America'.  To me, 'America' consists of all the countires of North and South America, not just the US.


Kathy, America is used liberally here as defining the USA. We don't refer to ourselves as United Statesmen or whatever that weird Spanish word translates too I saw years ago, but Americans. That will never change.

I've spent a lot of time working with Latinos, so I understand how they feel about it, so I tend to use the term US or USA, when referring to the country. I always thought it was funny if someone told me that we should not refer to ourselves as Americans, because we are all Americans from this continent. I'd say that's true, but why does US mean USA and not Mexico then? In Spanish (which I know you know), USA is Estados Unidos de América. Mexico is Estados Unidos Mexicanos
Biosphere

berck wrote:
Biosphere wrote:

So which terms are those?

It was an Irishman who noted that England and America were two countries divided by a common language Smile


I should say terms and phrases. I often have to read Mr S's posts carefully to understand his meaning at times. When I first saw the terms like WUMing and sockpuppet, I wasn't sure exactly what they meant. It's usually little things that come up here and there.

kathy wrote:
I notice that you said 'America' in your last post.  Perhaps Berck and other US citizens would care to comment on this.  I refer to the US or the United States when talking about the country which lots of people refer to as 'America'.  To me, 'America' consists of all the countires of North and South America, not just the US.


Kathy, America is used liberally here as defining the USA. We don't refer to ourselves as United Statesmen or whatever that weird Spanish word translates too I saw years ago, but Americans. That will never change.

I've spent a lot of time working with Latinos, so I understand how they feel about it, so I tend to use the term US or USA, when referring to the country. I always thought it was funny if someone told me that we should not refer to ourselves as Americans, because we are all Americans from this continent. I'd say that's true, but why does US mean USA and not Mexico then? In Spanish (which I know you know), USA is Estados Unidos de América. Mexico is Estados Unidos Mexicanos


Berck

I fairly confident in saying that on occasion Mr. S causes confusion on both sides of the pond. Wink No offence meant Mr. S Smile

Kathy

You make a good point about America. I hadn't even thought about it that way. It is the form the quote originally took though.
kathy

I raised the point because I get annoyed when people say I am English (I'm not - I'm Welsh in case anyone didn't know!).  But I've no objection to being called British, or saying that I'm from the UK.

In Spain, the US is invariably called Estados Unidos ie the equivalent of US rather than USA.  And I've never heard of Mexico being referred to as anything other than México.
MAILLOT JAUNE

kathy wrote:
I'm Welsh in case anyone didn't know!

Don't worry kathy, being Scottish,I know how important these distinctions are, plus your Location is a bit of a giveaway. However, I may not be quite as pleasant if you beat us at rugby at the weekend!!!! C'mon - WE NEED A WIN!!!!!  Wink
Fontfroide

berck wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
What's a "plan" ? Am I missing out on something?


FF is talking about long distance service and what he gets for free. I've heard them often referred to as 'plans'. As in service plans.


In France, many, perhaps the vast majority, have chosen to have a particular deal for phone, internet and TV.  There are only four or five providers of these plans or deals.  They give a vast number of (mostly useless) TV channels, phone calls to anywhere in France, sometimes to mobiles in France (with more or less limited times), phone calls to anywhere fro 102 to 140 countries (in fact nearly all the countries nearly anyone would ever call), and high speed internet connections.  You choose the deal you like, the 'plan' is how I put it.  You get a kind of box, and everything comes and goes through the phone line.  This usually costs a little over 30 euros a month.  I have no idea why France gives such good deals for telecommunications, but it does.  When recently in the UK, for example, I found nothing remotely like this, although I only asked people I knew.
berck

Fontfroide wrote:

In France, many, perhaps the vast majority, have chosen to have a particular deal for phone, internet and TV.  There are only four or five providers of these plans or deals.  They give a vast number of (mostly useless) TV channels, phone calls to anywhere in France, sometimes to mobiles in France (with more or less limited times), phone calls to anywhere fro 102 to 140 countries (in fact nearly all the countries nearly anyone would ever call), and high speed internet connections.  You choose the deal you like, the 'plan' is how I put it.  You get a kind of box, and everything comes and goes through the phone line.  This usually costs a little over 30 euros a month.  I have no idea why France gives such good deals for telecommunications, but it does.  When recently in the UK, for example, I found nothing remotely like this, although I only asked people I knew.


I understand were you're coming from. We have very similar 'plans' here. Unfortunately, our plans cost about two to three times more, depending on the features.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
berck wrote:
MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
What's a "plan" ? Am I missing out on something?


FF is talking about long distance service and what he gets for free. I've heard them often referred to as 'plans'. As in service plans.


In France, many, perhaps the vast majority, have chosen to have a particular deal for phone, internet and TV.  There are only four or five providers of these plans or deals.  They give a vast number of (mostly useless) TV channels, phone calls to anywhere in France, sometimes to mobiles in France (with more or less limited times), phone calls to anywhere fro 102 to 140 countries (in fact nearly all the countries nearly anyone would ever call), and high speed internet connections.  You choose the deal you like, the 'plan' is how I put it.  You get a kind of box, and everything comes and goes through the phone line.  This usually costs a little over 30 euros a month.  I have no idea why France gives such good deals for telecommunications, but it does.  When recently in the UK, for example, I found nothing remotely like this, although I only asked people I knew.


Depends how you define "remotely like", but your friends might be interested in something like this if they were unhappy with their prices after you told them about yours.

http://shop.virginmedia.com/bundl...dband-and-phone/phm-tvmp-bbl.html

The normal price is 33 pounds a month, but you get 10 pounds a month off for 6 months and a 60 pound cashback on top of that. Don't get international calls, although you do get Eurosport, Sky1 and Sky2. Over the course of an 18 month contract the price isn't markedly different to what you pay in France, but like all utilities, you need to move around to keep getting good rates.

Can't imagine BT don't do an equally competitive offer to move to after the 18months Wink

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