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HuwB

Vuelta 2016: Stages 11-14, To the Border, Aug 31st-Sept 3rd

Stage 11;-





Stage 12:-



Mountain passes & hills Los Corrales de Buelna / Bilbao 193.2KM

   Km 49.0 - Pto. de las Alisas PM10 kilometre-long climb at 6% - category 1

   Km 89.4 - Alto La Escrita6.4 kilometre-long climb at 4.5% - category 3

   Km 151.0 - Alto El Vivero4.2 kilometre-long climb at 8.5% - category 2

   Km 180.3 - Alto El Vivero4.2 kilometre-long climb at 8.5% - category 2




Stage 13:-



Mountain passes & hills Bilbao / Urdax-Dantxarinea 213.4KM

   Km 99.0 - Alto Monte Igueldo.5.3 kilometre-long climb at 6.2% - category 3

   Km 130.5 - Alto de Aritxulegi6.2 kilometre-long climb at 6.5% - category 3

   Km 139.0 - Alto Aguiņa5 kilometre-long climb at 6.2% - category 3

   Km 163.2 - Pto. Lizaieta7.2 kilometre-long climb at 4.7% - category 3



Stage 14:-



Mountain passes & hills Urdax-Dantxarinea / Aubisque - Gourette 196.1KM

   Km 62.9 - Col Inharpu.11.5 kilometre-long climb at 7.1% - category 1

   Km 111.8 - Col du Soudet.24 kilometre-long climb at 5.2% - category 1

   Km 157.7 - Col de Marie-Blanque.9.2 kilometre-long climb at 7.5% - category 1

   Km 196.1 - Meta Aubisque - Gourette.16.5 kilometre-long climb at 7.1% - category H




Biosphere

Thanks, I just came to do those. It's been parent teacher evening and the Mrs. is at work so I was flying solo with my dodgy german and after 2 hours of powerpoint presentations (even 1st year primary has 6 teachers) my cooked brain welcomes the respite Smile

Anyway I digress . . . The internet is pointing out that Froome has won on tomorrow's climb, so there is hope of a fightback, but IMO based on everything we've seen, Quintana has plenty more in the tank and it's wishful thinking.
Biosphere

I'll respond to the power meter discussions here as its probably going to be a topic for today anyway if Froome goes with his recent approach for Vuelta climbs.

In general I'm not a believer in banning new technologies. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but since my job is about that type of stuff I maybe carry a bias.

On the specifics, Movistar are having a go at Froome which seems a bit poor since they are sitting in 1st and 2nd. Mind games or stress? Froome gave far more of a spectacle than they did in July when he was ambushing them for seconds in the opening couple of weeks (and nothing to do with power meters) only for them to not turn up in the final week. Complaints of a boring riding style from two riders I would normally put towards  the wheel sucking / conservative end of the spectrum are kind of drifting into a pot / kettle / blackness scenario.

It must be annoying for them though not knowing if they've really put a minute into Froome or he's coming back at them on the latter stages of the climb.

On the subject of Valverde blowing with 6km to go, but only giving up few seconds, he seemed to then have better legs once he wasn't on the front working for Quintana Wink In that sense making the story of the day at their press conference about Froome's power meter rather than a team leadership one is maybe not such a bad way to go.
Boogerd_Fan

Was Valverde's blowing an intentional strategy? Quintana vs. Bertie 1-on-1... as soon as Froome came past him he was able to latch on and follow to the line.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
On the specifics, Movistar are having a go at Froome which seems a bit poor since they are sitting in 1st and 2nd. Mind games or stress? Froome gave far more of a spectacle than they did in July when he was ambushing them for seconds in the opening couple of weeks (and nothing to do with power meters) only for them to not turn up in the final week. Complaints of a boring riding style from two riders I would normally put towards  the wheel sucking / conservative end of the spectrum are kind of drifting into a pot / kettle / blackness scenario.


I agree with all of this, but I think it is probably the exception that proves the rule.  No complaints with Froome's aggressiveness in the Tour or his tactics here, but bye-and-large I think technology is slowly ruining the sport and I'm confident that anyone with an open mind would feel the same after spending an hour or two looking at 1970s/1980s cycling on YouTube. In fact, I can't think of any +ve contribution the IT revolution has made to the sport. [But will doubtless backtrack on this in about 5 posts time Smile ]
mazda

One +ve contribution - I can watch the cycling on TV / 'puter.

Today, no break after one hour of racing.
I doubt it is all Movistar, but I'm sure they will be eyeing up some bonus seconds.
If Quintana can't drop Froome then you slow down and let Valverde nab the bonus instead.
mazda

Large group gone clear.

Hermans, Bakelants, Rolland having another go.

Hermans is at 6'55" so I suspect that will cap the gap, although Movistar have proved happy to let the Red jersey go before.
mazda

Tinkoff helping, more than helping with the pace setting.

Gap slowly coming down somewhere above 4'
mazda

We are 5km from the final climb.

Break of 23 is still intact.
Tinkoff still leading the pursuit less than a minute behind.
mazda

Nothing to see here.

Hermans on his own barely ahead of a reduced, Movistar led peloton shelling riders out the back.
mazda

Chaves makes a move with 2km to go.

After a while Valverde defaults to defence mode and leads the others after him.
mazda

zzzz
mazda

Q v F.
Will Movistar mess up the bonus seconds ?
mazda

Froome wins ahead of Quintana.
I guess that somehow this climb suits Froome - the brevity ?
HuwB

Well, what a great 500 metres of action that was. Rolling Eyes
So, Froome basically outsprints Quintana on "his" mountain.
Very little movement in the GC after Valverde nicks the final bonus.
mazda

Valverde wins the sprint for third  Shocked
mazda

Konig @6
Contador @6
Yates @13
Scarponi @14
Chaves @19
LaTour @22
mazda

Froome won't mind how this went at all.

I guess we are waiting for the biggie on Saturday.
Contador is just bound to try something.
Boogerd_Fan

a SKY mountain stage.. no real profile, then 1 MTF to race full gas. Easy to predict a Froome victory.

Thu/Fri/Sat much more harder to predict.
mazda

A bit of interest.

Near the top of the Cat 1 a group of 7 has edged clear.
Contains several top 25 riders, all the way up to Kennaugh in 15th.
Lopez of Sky is also there and took the KoM points.

Looks like another typical Sky stage
Wink

Seems like an expensive way to make Movistar do some work.
mazda

Of course Movistar won't fall for that.
They'll go slow, let all the groups that fell back on the Cat. 1 catch up and panic one of the lower GC teams into doing some work.

Escapees now at 2'
HuwB

The very unusual BOTD reeled in by Astana.
Obviously Lulu is going to launch and do his crazy descent.
Kathy beat me to him, today.
mazda

You say obviously, but Tinkoff did naff all yesterday after dragging the peloton along at a high speed for a long distance.
mazda

Says here that Devenyns has a lead of over 30"
mazda

Bennett and Zeits give chase.
Zeits doesn't look good enough.
mazda

Moreno leads another chase.
I think Lulu is in there.
mazda

Frank should be getting a free ride up to Devenyns.
mazda

Not going to make it.
mazda

Orica, as so often, win a reduced sprint.
Keukeleire (sp) with a comfortable gap.
HuwB

So, Keukelaire wins the underwhelming sprint that ends another underwhelming stage.
At least Kirby provided a good laugh, calling Movistar the winners.
mazda

HuwB wrote:
So, Keukelaire wins the underwhelming sprint that ends another underwhelming stage.
At least Kirby provided a good laugh, calling Movistar the winners.


I did that on Monday - I thought Chaves and Yates was a duo of Movistar riders at first glance. But I'm not paid to know the difference.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
So, Keukelaire wins the underwhelming sprint that ends another underwhelming stage.
At least Kirby provided a good laugh, calling Movistar the winners.


I did that on Monday - I thought Chaves and Yates was a duo of Movistar riders at first glance. But I'm not paid to know the difference.


I did think on stage 3 when Ruben Fernandez, valverde, quintana and Chavez had got free that the orica jersey looked extremely similar to the movistar

Maybe we didn't notice it in July as as Adam Yates was in the white jersey :d

Did Kirby try to guess which movistar rider it was?
HuwB

Nolte wrote:
mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
So, Keukelaire wins the underwhelming sprint that ends another underwhelming stage.
At least Kirby provided a good laugh, calling Movistar the winners.


I did that on Monday - I thought Chaves and Yates was a duo of Movistar riders at first glance. But I'm not paid to know the difference.


I did think on stage 3 when Ruben Fernandez, valverde, quintana and Chavez had got free that the orica jersey looked extremely similar to the movistar

Maybe we didn't notice it in July as as Adam Yates was in the white jersey :d

Did Kirby try to guess which movistar rider it was?


No.
The big difference is in the green on the helmets. OBE is much brighter.
Bartali

Have they finished yet???
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
Have they finished yet???


Wasn't that awful?
Saving it all for tomorrow's Queen stage I suppose.
It didn't help that they removed the 2 final climbs from the finish.
Then, they would have had to race.

Just a head's up that the whole stage will be televised live tomorrow, from 11am.
Bartali

A real yawn fest.  I hope tomorrow makes up for it, but I'm not sure it will. fingers crossed ...
Biosphere

Off topic. I just came across this. Painful but could have been far worse when you see the last second of the video.

http://www.steephill.tv/players/7...us/771800797139066880&yr=2016
HuwB

Rolling out in beautiful weather.
A whole day in the Pyrenees. Nice.
All we need now is some actual racing.
HuwB

Huge break has made it, (41) including Dani Moreno and Ruben Fernandez for Movistar.
For their lethargy, Sky win the right to have to pull the bunch all day.
Biosphere

I got in from an airport pick-up and was trying to make sense of the on screen graphics telling me I was looking at the break when it seemed I was looking at the peloton Shocked
Nolte

according to cyclingnews, the break contains

Here we go then. These are the breakaway men:



Ruben Fernandez, Dani Moreno and Jose Joaquin Rojas (Movistar), Deniele Bennati (Tinkoff), David Lopez (Team Sky), Tejay Van Garderen (BMC), George Bennett, Victor Campenaerts and Robert Gesink (Lotto NL Jumbo), Simon Gerrans, Jens Keukeleire and Magnus Cort Nielsen (Orica - BikeExchange), Dario Cataldo (Astana), Kenny Elissonde, Odd Christian Eiking and Alexandre Geniez (FDJ), Haimar Zubeldia and Julien Bernard (Trek - Segafredo), Jan Bakelants and Quentin Jauregui (AG2R - La Mondiale), Alberto Losada and Egor Silin (Katusha), Bart De Clercq and Sander Armée (Lotto Soudal), Gianni Meersman (Etixx - Quick Step), Moreno Moser, Pierre Rolland and Davide Villella (Cannondale - Drapac), Omar Fraile and Jacques Janse van Rensburg (Dimension Data), Mathias Frank and Larry Warbasse (IAM Cycling), Mattia Cattaneo (Lampre - Merida), Romain Hardy and Rudy Molard (Cofidis), Christoph Pfingsten (Bora-Argon 1Cool, Pello Bilbao, Hugh Carthy and Sergio Pardilla (Caja Rural-Seguros RGA), Romain Sicard and Pierrig Quemeneur (Direct Energie).

i count 21 teams, who is the team not there? i think giant-alpecin which must frustrate their director sportiff, a 41 rider group goes and they have no rider in it
mazda

How did Sky get suckered into having to do the pace making ?
Movistar have Rojas as well.
mazda

It's just a track up the side of the hill.  Smile

I hope there are no punctures on the way down.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
It's just a track up the side of the hill.  Smile

I hope there are no punctures on the way down.


It just looked like a normal road to me for cycling Wink
HuwB

Orica BE appear to be leading out their rider that they left in the peloton. Confused
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Orica BE appear to be leading out their rider that they left in the peloton. Confused


Quick look at TV after I got in from bike ride and I concluded that OBE were helping out on the chase to defend Chaves and Yates. I was wrong  Confused
HuwB

Kirby still calling OBE as Movistar. Embarassed

Looks as if the idea is to get Yates up the road using the 4 OBE blokes ahead.
mazda

I think Movistar have too much firepower for Yates to stay away.
He's getting a good rest now, but he'll have to do the climb al on his own.
Fontfroide

Seems to be it is a bit more interesting than the average run up to "the last climb".  Which is such a bear that even there tactics will be intriguing.  I mean not only a break with a pretty decent lead and some fair climbers, but Orica with what appears to be quite a clever move.  Plus everything yet to be seen from the usual GC guys.  Hard to figure out what might happen.  But one thing is for sure, they will drop like flies and be all over the road on Aubisque.  It will hard to keep track after a few ks.
Biosphere

Still don't really see how OBE driving the break was to Yates' advantage. Anyway my main concern is Mrs. is dragging me off socialising momentarily. I will have to catch up later Evil or Very Mad
mazda

Another OBE rider just appeared.
Is that Haig ?
If so it shows that Nielsen and Gerrans aren't making all that much headway.
mazda

Yates on his own for 16km now.
Maybe he is the ultimate bridge for Chaves later on.
mazda

Hardly anyone left.
Valverde has vanished.
BMC duo have gone up the road.
A pity Astana have 2 helpers to set a pace otherwise there would a group of lone riders.
mazda

Quintana goes for it.
He's got an initial gap.
mazda

Froome attacks back.
Contador and Chaves hanging on.
mazda

They are messing about now ...
Fontfroide

We seem to have as many races going on to please anyone.  I am happy anyway.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
They are messing about now ...


"Messing about" riding up Aubisque.  Maybe not quite the right word for what looks like two excellent races going on.  YOu must like Yates' work, hardly messing about, for example.
mazda

Poor Alberto.
mazda

Yates ride has been superb.
Not quite enough gas to take the stage.
mazda

Yates up to third  Very Happy
Nolte

mazda wrote:
Yates ride has been superb.
Not quite enough gas to take the stage.


Yes an excellent ride by yates
mazda

Has Valverde crossed the line yet ?
HuwB

mazda wrote:
Has Valverde crossed the line yet ?


No.

Best GT stage of the year, I wonder?
mazda

Oops, didn't see Chaves shoot up the road to gain 30 seconds as well.

So Chaves 3rd and Yates 4th.
Fontfroide

Plenty to keep up with today.  Who rode the ride of the day?  Gesink.  Yates.  Quintana.  Froome.  Someone we didn't notice who leapt into the top ten?  Hard to keep keep track.  Enough racing to keep me happy for sure.

A little suspicion creeping in that Quintana is not going to get the best of Froome in the race after all.  Would not have said that three days ago.
mazda

And Konig went up the road as well.

Must have been around the time that the "messing about" was taking place  Wink
HuwB

Valverde finished at +10'56".

I recorded the entire stage................only to find I recorded the wrong channel. Embarassed
Boogerd_Fan

Fantastic win for the Condor...

Piti proves he is human after all

Quintana & Froome trade blows, but without doing much damage, except maybe SKY will be tired out from chasing most of the stage.

Good re-confirmation from Konig that he has got it... i'm happy he will go back to Bora next year - he can be team lead without needing many mountain helpers, suiting Sagan.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
mazda wrote:
Has Valverde crossed the line yet ?


No.

Best GT stage of the year, I wonder?


I think so!! (Though Nibali taking the maglia rosa on the last day was quite special for me Wink )
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
mazda wrote:
Has Valverde crossed the line yet ?


No.

Best GT stage of the year, I wonder?


I think so!! (Though Nibali taking the maglia rosa on the last day was quite special for me Wink )


The battle in the French mountains that everybody had hoped for in the Tour,
but with so much more going on.

Valverde is sick apparently.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
mazda wrote:
Has Valverde crossed the line yet ?


No.

Best GT stage of the year, I wonder?


I think so!! (Though Nibali taking the maglia rosa on the last day was quite special for me Wink )


I would agree that between the two it would be hard to pick, or to find a third.  Must think. I guess the stage yesterday was  little thicker, a bit more complex, whereas the Giro stage was more dramatic, it decided something that was pretty much unexpected.  There sure was a lot of mystery about the Vuelta stage, plenty of little races, bit of tragedy, bit of glory for an old racer, proper GT duking it out on the last climb, bit of strategy flying about, what's not to like.

Could there be more to come?  Even after the ITT there might be a little bit of uncertainty, he says, hoping.  A GT decided on the last climb of the last day, always good for the fans.

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