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Biosphere

Vuelta 2016: Stage 1-7, La Vuelta Galicia, Aug 20th - 26th

Figured I might as well just put all of the first week into the same thread as there was no obvious split into smaller chunks and they pretty much stay in Galicia for the week. Avoiding transfers to give everyone a rest after the Olympics?

FPs awaiting here
http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about5400.html

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Biosphere

Today's CET start times

1 Bora-Argon 18 18:26:00
2 Direct Energie 18:30:00
3 Lotto Soudal 18:34:00
4 Astana Pro Team 18:38:00
5 Lampre - Merida 18:42:00
6 Dimension Data 18:46:00
7 IAM Cycling 18:50:00
8 Caja Rural -Seguros RGA 18:54:00
9 FDJ 18:58:00
10 Etixx - Quick Step 19:02:00
11 Team Katusha 19:06:00
12 Cofidis, Solutions Credits 19:10:00
13 Cannondale-Drapac Pro Cycling Team 19:14:00
14 Ag2r La Mondiale 19:18:00
15 Trek - Segafredo 19:22:00
16 Orica-BikeExchange 19:26:00
17 Team Giant Alpecin 19:30:00
18 BMC Racing Team 19:34:00
19 Team Lotto NL -Jumbo 19:38:00
20 Movistar Team 19:42:00
21 Team Sky 19:46:00
22 Tinkoff 19:50:00
HuwB

Orica Bike the current leaders, but it looks as if BMC may well take it.
Sky doing quite good, but Movistar slightly down at the early CP.

Edit: Or not. OBE by less than 1 second still lead after BMC fade.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Orica Bike the current leaders, but it looks as if BMC may well take it.
Sky doing quite good, but Movistar slightly down at the early CP.

Edit: Or not. OBE by less than 1 second still lead after BMC fade.


I go to reply that they missed by fractions and you've done so too Smile
HuwB

Flipping negative splits.
Kennaugh into the leader's jersey as Sky pinch it on the line from and incredibly fast finishing Movistar.
kathy

Was at the start yesterday.  Some photos but can't post them on kindle.  Going to the start again today.  Weather forecast hot!
HuwB

A pretty neutral looking stage, today, but tomorrow it's a finish up the mad Mirador.

Ridiculously steep, was used in 2012 on stage 12, but being used this time as the first uphill finish:-



2012: Stage 12 Results
1  RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA)                  4:24:32
2  CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (SAXO BANK-TINKOFF BANK)    + 0:06
3  VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR)               + 0:13
4  GESINK, Robert (RABOBANK)                             + 0:20
5  FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING)                  + 0:23
6  MORENO FERNANDEZ, Daniel (KATUSHA)                  
7  ANTON HERNANDEZ, Igor (EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI)           + 0:27
8  ROCHE, Nicolas (AG2R LA MONDIALE)                     + 0:31
9  NIEMIEC, Przemyslaw (LAMPRE - ISD)                    + 0:33
10 VERDUGO MARCOTEGUI, Gorka (EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI)       + 0:36
Bartali

TTT ... just a joke as always. notwithstanding the weaker teams being at a disadvantage for the next 20 days, we now have so-called favourites a minute down.
mazda

I undersatand what you are saying, but aren't all the favourites (Sky, Movistar, OBE, Lotto-NL) at the top ?
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
I undersatand what you are saying, but aren't all the favourites (Sky, Movistar, OBE, Lotto-NL) at the top ?


I presume Contador being a minute down on the likes of Froome and Quintana is the specific one Bart has in mind. In general I don't mind the TTTs so much and they are an unofficial feature of many MTFs these days anyway. In this specific case it just means Contador needs to attack more. I can live with that Smile
HuwB

A 2 man break have 4 minutes and change after about 50kms.
Should be live soon.
HuwB

I tell a lie. first live pictures at 112kms to go, but the gap is down to 2 minutes.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
In general I don't mind the TTTs so much and they are an unofficial feature of many MTFs these days anyway.
Agreed .... so why have a TTT to compound the 'problem'?  Oh hum ...
HuwB

God, this really is a Sunday siesta stroll.
Nolte

That was dull and I only watched the last half hour and that was on and off
HuwB

Meersman wins the battle of the third rate sprinters in what can only be described as a mess of a slow sprint.
No team trains=no control.
Biosphere

Decent write up of tomorrow's stage

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/i...e-vuelta-a-espanas-steepest-ever/
HuwB

Today's breakaway are:-
Gatis Smukulis (Katusha), Alexandre Geniez (FDJ), Pieter Serry (Etixx-Quick Step), Simon Pellaud (IAM Cycling), Jérôme Cousin (Cofidis), Rüdiger Selig (Bora-Argon 1Cool and David Arroyo (Caja Rural-Seguros RGA)
Biosphere

Barguil is the first abandon this year. Suggestion he was suffering from sinusitis.
HuwB

Sky giving the breakaway more than a fighting chance once again.
They can't be arsed to chase.
The others are now thinking about it.
Fontfroide

Looks like they think there should be hills immediately … again.  Easy to see why the sprinters stayed home.  

How can Barguil and Teejay be so unready for the race?
HuwB

1 Geniez
2 Fernandez +21
3 Valverde +26
4 Froome +26
5 Chaves +26
6 Quintana +32
7 Anton +32
8 Sanchez +54
9 Contador +54
10 Brambilla +54

Fernandez the new leader.
Contador 1'-20" down on Froome and Valverde after just 3 stages and without injury.
Bartali

No offence intended, but I think Bertie is way past his best.  A great rider in his prime, but notwithstanding the 2015 Giro he has looked a shadow of his former self for the last year.

Quintana again shows why he had to cheat his way to his only GT win.  Handed his arse on a plate by an old man riding his third GT of the year. #wasteofspace
mazda

Ah, warms the heart to see Valverde hoovering up the bonus seconds.

How many of these non-mountain days do we have ?
Tomorrow, stages 8 and 9.
Only two flattish stages that I can see.

No wonder the sprinters are all at the sprinters classic elsewhere yesterday.
I saw that Ewan was given the win after you-know-who was DQed.
Bartali

So Fernandez is a Tour de l'Avenir winner and under 23 ITT champion - this might be interesting.
mazda

Bartali wrote:
No offence intended, but I think Bertie is way past his best.  A great rider in his prime, but notwithstanding the 2015 Giro he has looked a shadow of his former self for the last year.

Quintana again shows why he had to cheat his way to his only GT win.  Handed his arse on a plate by an old man riding his third GT of the year. #wasteofspace


Agreed. Don't think he has another GT in him.

I fear for you, in that Nairo might go on to win this one.
After all he didn't really turn up at the Tour, so he will be fresher than those that did.
Columbian 1-2, or will Froome confound modern wisdom by claiming two consecutive GTs ? I can't see him lasting 3 weeks, the climbing is never ending.
mazda

Bartali wrote:
So Fernandez is a Tour de l'Avenir winner and under 23 ITT champion - this might be interesting.


You think Movistar have it in themselves to not have Fernandez lead one or both of the other two up the longer climbs ?
They have never handled the capability of multiple threats in a useful way.
We can but hope.
Bartali

I think Movistar have lots of weapons at their disposal, but agreed that they have a history of not deploying them as single-mindedly as most teams would.  Filling places 2-10 seems to them a better result than the win! That said ... I don't think Nairo Q has the legs.  He looked good when unmarked in 2013, cheated his way to a Giro win in 2014 and capitalised on an ailing Froome in 2015.  Personally I think his best years are behind him. (What is he really ... about 48?)

I can see Valverde's name all over this were it not for his relatively poor ITT.  Froome's to loose though .... short of falling off they may as well give him the trophy now.
Boogerd_Fan

Bart, that's pretty strong banter vs. Quints... i think he totally screwed his prep this year, and subsequently is flying far under his expected performance. That cant be rectified in a month. He'll be back next year with a different program and hopefully better for it.

In March-May in 1 week stage races he was handing everyone their arses. Including Froome, Bertie.
bianchigirl

If Froome keeps grabbing time early it'll be TdF 2.0 with no oncentive to do anything but sit in the jersey behind 8 teammates - cue hysterics from Carlton Kirby about 'greatest ever' bla bla bla

PS Sincerely hope this doesn't happen and that Contador et al go all in with nothing to lose - problem with the Tour was that no one took the race to Froome, here they just might

Oh and Chavez looked mighty fine and, now am back in France, chapeau Geniez Wink
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bart, that's pretty strong banter vs. Quints.
Probably ... but were it not for attacking a neutralised race along with Roland he would have no GT wins and his TdF strategy to date appears to be wait until the last climb of the last stage ... hardly a great strategist. Sorry, but I think he is massively over-hyped.

I fear what BG fears ... a re-run of the TdF Sad
HuwB

Movistar look a lot stronger than Sky's "C" team and they will do exactly the same and sit on the race.
The rest, frankly, do not look up to doing much about it, as yet.
mazda

I think Froome showed in the TdF he doesn't necessarily want to just win like that anymore. He was the strongest rider and knew it.
For me the proviso that he has ridden, and failed in Tour / Vuelta doubles could go either way.
Either he will fail again, or he might become more conservative if he feels he has a chance to win the double.

Today was interesting as Froome effectively let Movistar go at first, he was over 10 seconds and 10 positions back at 900 - 1000m to go.
Contador was still well ahead of him at that stage.
Something odd happened after Chaves attacked.
He and Quintana seemed to slow down and then Froome was back with the 4 of them.
Nolte

i like chaves but he's not a rider who can gain an advantage attacking and then hold the advantage

whatever might be said about sky's tactics most of the time, one thing is that froome doesn't panic (ok maybe if his bike gets mangled, he does but that was an exceptional situation) and will keep riding within myself, not try to overexert to keep up with an attack but work back to it (actually geraint thomas also was doing this on the final stage in paris-nice where he kept his composure when in trouble and dropped on the last climb before working back).
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Something odd happened after Chaves attacked.
He and Quintana seemed to slow down and then Froome was back with the 4 of them.
That puzzled me too.  Did Quintana and Chaves (and Piti who I think was just off the pace?) just not have it .... but Fernandez did??  Looked to me that they had the right gear selection.  Perhaps just an unwillingness to commit ... which wouldn't surprise me with both Quintana and Chaves.
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
mazda wrote:
Something odd happened after Chaves attacked.
He and Quintana seemed to slow down and then Froome was back with the 4 of them.
That puzzled me too.  Did Quintana and Chaves (and Piti who I think was just off the pace?) just not have it .... but Fernandez did??  Looked to me that they had the right gear selection.  Perhaps just an unwillingness to commit ... which wouldn't surprise me with both Quintana and Chaves.


They weren't far off tracks stands from the slightly dodgy TV coverage. I guess neither of them are fussed and a spell in red lacks novelty / value for them now. Contador's collapse in the final km was surprising.

Nothing of note amongst the big names today.
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Bart, that's pretty strong banter vs. Quints.
Probably ... but were it not for attacking a neutralised race along with Roland he would have no GT wins and his TdF strategy to date appears to be wait until the last climb of the last stage ... hardly a great strategist. Sorry, but I think he is massively over-hyped.

I fear what BG fears ... a re-run of the TdF Sad



Fair do's - i agree his Giro win was a bit tainted with the way he distanced Uran. Also agree based on results his strong GT days (like @ Ventoux in 2013) tend to be in exceptional circumstances.

Maybe it's jus the potential that makes me think he can do a lot more. That's probably also half the frustration with him, cos if he lived up to that level more consistently, he should be a much stronger challenger to Froome anyway.

He has been racing already quite a while (if winning Avenir in 2010) - so maybe some burnout is actually causing a loss of his top edge? That doesn't explain Valverde though, who on same team, with same support, rides like he is the million dollar man.

I believe this year is a blip, and he'll come back to the high level we've seen before - but equally possible is the continued lack of anything like strategy or attacking intent from the Colombian. The latter would be a shame though.
gerry12ie

I'm with Bart re Quintana.  His Giro win was a bit shabby, and although he shaped so well before that and looked like he would win more, I think his race management since has been poor. And while it can't help sharing leadership with Valverde, he just seems too cautious and unable to execute any kind of meaningful plan.

If Froome has the legs, this is his to lose, I'm just not 100% convinced he has - yet...
Fontfroide

I think there is always something dubious about comportment and commitment if  rider vanishes to "be with his family" in a faraway place, as often as Quintana does.  I think this is not cool in the modern day.

I also don't think his career is close to be on the downward slide.  But then I backed EBH a lot, so what do I know.
HuwB

Hard work watching this first week.
Nothing happening for long periods and at 5kph slower than the Tour.
Today has been particularly grim.
mazda

Crash.
Assume they will all get the same time ?
mazda

Meersman wins again.
Some confusion over which Trek rider was second.
Bonifacio, Felline and Didier all mentioned.
HuwB

It was Felline.

Nothing at all happens for 3 hours and then collarbone carnage in the final 3kms.
Vive La Vuelta.
Gaps won't stand, even if it means no red for Piti.
mazda

Interesting, because Froome / Sanchez appeared to be far enough behind Quintana for them to award a gap.
HuwB

Remember that awful crash in Pais Vasco that almost ended Peter Stetina's career?
Well......................................

https://twitter.com/hendriksmj/status/768490299559702528


..................................
HuwB

The carnage captured in slo mo

https://twitter.com/cyclinghubtv/status/768551333955792896
mazda

I make it an average of 54km/h with no breaks allowed to go.

edit - 52, got my division wrong
mazda

We have lift off.
Mendes, Losada, Dider and Zeits among them.
HuwB

That was the best stage we've had................not that it's saying a lot.
Some gutsy rides from the breakaway.

Yates wins, while Flecha questions Movistar's odd tactics.
mazda

You mean sending Moreno on an attack ? It did seem like a lot of work just to entrust it to Moreno from so far out.
I think they expected more of a response to Moreno which would have let them counter attack.
But given that Valverde won the "sprint" then why didn't they just keep going ?
HuwB

Kwiatkowski's horror season continues. Abandons with back problems.
HuwB

Contador has lost his nerve and it's getting him hurt.
Daft move today, mixing it with the sprinters with 500m to go, then breaking too hard too soon coming into the final corner.
Results in a touch of wheels and a mashing on both tarmac and the barriers, as riders pile on top.

https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/769203042017312768

Jonas Van Genechten wins the sprint, with Meersman back in 7th, proving once again that my KOD is back with a vengeance.
My fantasy teams are melting away faster than ice cream in the Sahara, too. Sad

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