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Biosphere

Vuelta 2015, Stages 14-16: An Asturian Trio, 5th - 7th Sep

Three more days of MTFs. Going to be some tired legs.

Stage 14, Saturday September 5: Vitoria – Alto Campoo. Fuente del Chivo, 215km






Stage 15, Sunday September 6: Comillas – Sotres. Cabrales, 175.8km






Stage 16, Monday September 7: Luarca – Ermita de Alba. Quiros, 185km




Bartali

Looking forward to these three days ... Smile
Biosphere

FPs are awaiting Smile

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra229424.php#229424
gerry12ie

I will do my best to keep in touch with this, but this weekend we have for our delectation (in no particular order):

Cycling
International Football
England v Ireland Rugby
England v Australia ODI
US Open Tennis
Dublin v Mayo Gaelic Football Semi Final
Horse Racing at Ascot, Kempton and Haydock
F1
and the main event - Kilkenny v Galway in the Hurling Final

One of those weekends Very Happy  Very Happy

I don't feel so bad about passing on the Electric Picnic now... Wink
Biosphere

You forgot riding on your own bike Smile

I go off now so hopefully back to see the end live.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
You forgot riding on your own bike Smile
He has just come back from his 40Km ride. ??  Wink
gerry12ie

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
You forgot riding on your own bike Smile
He has just come back from his 40Km ride. ??  Wink


Sadly no, he is clearing all the shit out of the attic...  Sad
Nolte

Peloton dawdling along
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
You forgot riding on your own bike Smile
He has just come back from his 40Km ride. ??  Wink


Sadly no, he is clearing all the shit out of the attic...  Sad


Well my legs are rather jellyish after 1500m of climbing. Doesn't look like I've missed much racing when the red jersey group is still 40 or so riders strong.
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
You forgot riding on your own bike Smile
He has just come back from his 40Km ride. ??  Wink


Sadly no, he is clearing all the shit out of the attic...  Sad


Well my legs are rather jellyish after 1500m of climbing. Doesn't look like I've missed much racing when the red jersey group is still 40 or so riders strong.


I think smaller groups contested some of the sprint stages than in the red jersey goup
Fontfroide

Glad I didn't miss the Foire des Associations just to watch the peloton ride up in a clump.  So no one will get many points today.  But I am sure someone will attack a little bit.  I thought there might be more action.  Good work for the break!
Biosphere

Hope De Marchi remembered to zip up his jersey so the team sponsors get their moment of publicity Wink
HuwB

Got home in time to watch the late show of the stage.
Very interesting finish.
I hear that quite a few things have been going on besides what happened in Andorra.

I have a few nice shoots from my little point and shoot, which I'll try and post later.

We had Becky's dad with us on this trip, but I won't upset any of the Sky detractors with tales of we inevitably got to meet and talk with.

Instead, I'll try and post another photo of BENNATI for Bart. Wink  Laughing
Biosphere

Break of the day has gone

Quote:
47km completed and we finally have our break:

Blel Kadri (AG2R - La Mondiale), Ricardo Vilela (Caja Rural - Seguros RGA), Dominique Rollin (Cofidis), Brayan Ramirez (Colombia), Nikolas Maes (Etixx - Quick Step), Natnael Berhane (MTN - Qhubeka), Pierre Rolland (Europcar), Maarten Tjallingii (Lotto NL - Jumbo), Haimar Zubeldia (Trek Factory).

They have 2'25 over the Movistar led peloton.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Instead, I'll try and post another photo of BENNATI for Bart. Wink  Laughing
Smile Smile
HuwB

Lets have a go for Bennati then..............

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HuwB

Try again, after a bit of tinkering..............


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Hurrah!



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The Invisible Man caught on camera!


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The man we saw for our passes.



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A few race shots later.
Biosphere

So Thomas got a retro pair of Oakleys off Ebay then.
Bartali

Great photos Huw!!!
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
So Thomas got a retro pair of Oakleys off Ebay then.




I think someone might have put them on eBay at the time at 10 times the rrp Wink

Anyway great pictures, thanks for posting
HuwB

We had a nice chat at the Sky hotel the day before.
(Taking Becky's dad has it's advantages. Also had a couple of conversations with the bald bloke in the huge camper van)
Should have asked him whether they were the originals, but we had assumed they were since his tweet.

https://twitter.com/GeraintThomas86/status/629999286718230528
Biosphere

Quintana goes with 10k to go Smile
Nolte

Did quintana have a gear or chain problem with 1k, it seemed he lost momentum at that point
Biosphere

Hard to know with Quintana. I wondered if he just found the gradient too steep at the switch back and popped momentarily.

Rodriguez just 1' off red!
HuwB

I have no idea who is going to podium, let alone come out on top, as yet.
Not a great stage and a finish that we have seen so many times before.
Hard to see past Purito in red, this time tomorrow, though.
Boogerd_Fan

It is setting up quite nicely for the ITT... and a 4-horse race.

I wouldn't mind it being a 2-horse race, with Aru & JRod equally crap at TTing it would be a nice spectacle to see which one could pull out a decent ride.
HuwB

Right some shots from THAT stage:

The look of things to come?


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At the start and saw this guy on the other side of the road, so I couldn't
not take a shot:


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A casual start:


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The final climb:


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Winners and losers:


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Pain.

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The quality is a bit naf, because I've had to cut the pixels down to upload and they are off an ordinary point and shoot job.
gerry12ie

Nice snaps Huw, ta
gerry12ie

Today went very much as expected really, so not much to say - except Movistar clearly fancied Quintana for a bonus, why else would they burn all their matches so early?  Aru's style looks nearly as odd as Froome's at times...
Bartali

Dumoulin pulling back 30 seconds in the last km was a surprise ... the climbers need to hurt him a lot tomorrow to stay in the hunt IMO.  Aru looks cooked. Purito doing what Purito does best.
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
Dumoulin pulling back 30 seconds in the last km was a surprise ... the climbers need to hurt him a lot tomorrow to stay in the hunt IMO.  Aru looks cooked. Purito doing what Purito does best.


That 1' 20 gap either was a mistake or we need to see a video of that effort from dumoulin
Boogerd_Fan

it was a mistake, one moment it was 50s, next up to 1,20... then back down to 50s at the line.
Bartali

Makes sense ....
mazda

Tomorrow finishes with two very steep climbs.
The final one is 11% for 7 km.
Hard not to see the little men taking more time.
We may be reminding ourselves of Majka's TT form if he stays close enough to J-Rod.
HuwB

Today's many climbs:

Alto de Aristébano, 3ª (km 14,6): 535 m – 14,6 km – 3,4 %
Alto de Forcayao, np (km 29): 490 m – 4,5 km – 6 %
Alto de Piedratecha, 2ª (km 43,1): 815 m – 10,6 km – 4,9 %
Alto de Cabruñana, 3ª (km 85,6): 360 m – 4,8 km – 6,6 %
Alto del Tenebredo, 2ª (km 119,9): 500 m – 3,5 km – 9,4 %
Alto del Cordal, 2ª (km 150): 790 m – 8,5 km – 5,8 %
Alto de la Cobertoria, 1ª (km 166,5): 1.155 m – 9,8 km – 8,7 %
Ermita del Alba, Esp (Meta): 1.185 m – 6,8 km -11,1 %

I forecast another 1 mile attack. Embarassed
mazda

Majka took 1 minute 16 sec out of Aru in the flat ITT in the Giro last year.
You'd have to assume that even a red jersey clad J-Rod has the potential to lose a bit more.
So anything similar to yesterday's result and the three of them will be very equally placed IMO.
All may depend on how far out Dumoulin is dropped today. He doesn't appear to have any team mates remotely capable of helping him.

Of course the ITT is not the final decisive stage.
mazda

10 riders getting on for 15 minutes clear as the peloton takes it easy early on.
Schleck snr is Trek's representative today and Rolland is there again.
HuwB

Over 18 minutes now and an average race speed of less than 29kph.
It's going to be a late, late..................late finish.

Edit, make that 21 minutes! Shocked
HuwB

The main GC boys still trail by 19 minutes and won't be finishing for another 2 and a bit hours.
mazda

Tinkoff applying pressure on the Cordal.
Boogerd_Fan

Q: Are tinkoff drilling it to make TD uncomfortable, or are they afraid of their podium spot by the break @ 20mins.

Bit of both, but i don't know whether the glass is half full or half empty.
mazda

Gap just 11 minutes.
I expect the decent climbers in the break to speed up at some point.
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Q: Are tinkoff drilling it to make TD uncomfortable, or are they afraid of their podium spot by the break @ 20mins.

Bit of both, but i don't know whether the glass is half full or half empty.

To try and get Majka the Red jersey I suppose.
He'll be looking for a minimum of a minute over TDu, and not to lose time to Aru. Astana have shown reluctance to do anything so far today but we know they have the firepower.
mazda

Here we go.
The two climbs together contain over 11km at an average of 11%.
Nothing like it in the TdF.
Boogerd_Fan

I am just wondering how schleck will screw this up ??! Very Happy
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I am just wondering how schleck will screw this up ??! Very Happy


Glad he didn't.  Been a long time!

Another tough day for our FPs.  Those pesky breakaways.
Bartali

All over bar the shouting then .... unless J-Rod pulls one of those specials out of the bag on Wednesday.  Aru struggling in the second week again.
gerry12ie

Aru looked like he might ship nearer two minutes than two seconds with 5k to go, if Rodriguez had gone earlier I wonder what might have happened.  They all looked bushed though, and I wonder how much Dumoulin has left on the mountains.  Thing is there isn't anyone in the top 10 that can get even close to him in a test.  

Can anyone pull a Fuente De in the remainder of the stages, presuming Dumoulin has a healthy lead after the test?

Frank Schleck eh?  Kind of nice...
Nolte

Yes but it seems a problem Joaquin Rodriquez that he is a waiter until he can see the red kite

I felt looking at, aru was on a bad day but then again, he did only lose 2 seconds to Rodriquez so it can't have been that bad a day.

But Rosa and landa were not going at a hard pace I feel, seeing that there was no great fall in the gap to schleck
HuwB

Just finished watching the stage.
Chapeau, this man and his new gynecologist:


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Middle finger to the rest.
Astana for running a two man train up 20% gradients.
Purito, I hope, will never win a GT.
Pathetic today. Looked around inside 2kms out, saw Dumoulin slipping back and did nothing.
All he was interested in was that 1 second over Aru, who at least gained credit for fighting him all the way to the line.

As a result, Tom Dumoulin clearly now in the pounds seats for the overall.
Surprising in the extreme, yet the silence around here is deafening
He's lucky his name isn't Geraint Thomas, I suppose.
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
All over bar the shouting then .... unless J-Rod pulls one of those specials out of the bag on Wednesday.


Isn't it more a case of whether he can pull out a special bag?
gerry12ie

Well we get 9 weeks of Grand Tour racing every year, and in recent years there is usually no more than one or two stages out of the 9 weeks that someone actually puts it on the line to try and win - and usually their names are Contador, Froome or Nibali.  Thats an awful lot of dead time remaining and most of the mountain stages in this race bear that out.  We could probably script what was going to happen each day well in advance, and provided we didn't predict anything daring or exciting by the GC men we would have been right.

Dumoulin is only where he is because the GC contenders insist in giving him a TTT around Spain.  I haven't seen all the stages but I don't recall any contender trying to break up the mindless rhythm of Astana and Movistar. Regarding Dumoulin's improvement, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this stage - but I do know he'll never need a support team in any GT if the main contenders drag him around the way they have for the last two weeks...
mazda

All rather feeble.
A case of too many chefs and not enough ambition.
I did think that Astana were pacing to prevent people attacking Aru.

Dumoulin hasn't cracked, deviated from his plan the once.
Not entirely sure how he keeps up on all those steep gradients.
Then again he's the same height and weight as Froome.
Slapshot 3

truth be known I haven't watched much of it at all other than the Cumbre de Sol stage he won.

TD was touted as a GT man in the future similar to G Thomas but only if the route was right. I'd never have expected him to perform like this here, then again, I'd never expected the level of performance we saw in Thomas in the early part of the Tour.

If the route or conditions bring a strong rider to the fore then that's what the game is all about, what is different to my knowledge is that TD has never been linked to doping or supported a rider deemed as "dodgy" so far in his career... I stand to be corrected.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
All rather feeble.
A case of too many chefs and not enough ambition.
I did think that Astana were pacing to prevent people attacking Aru.


Yes, the riders seem a bit too cautious while both movistar and astana are riding tempo rather than hard to hurt others while the other teams don't seem to have come prepared with support riders.

I think it is the "I don't want to risk it by attacking".

2 of the last 3 days saw breaks get good leads rather than GC men riding for stage success
gerry12ie

I would suggest that if any two of Contador, Froome, or Nibali were in the race we would have stopped talking about Dumoulin a week ago.  I thought he sounded confident to the point of arrogance when interviewed after the stage today, although that might be just a Dutch thing... Wink
mazda

gerry12ie wrote:
I thought he sounded confident to the point of arrogance when interviewed after the stage today, although that might be just a Dutch thing... Wink

I don't think you can blame him.
He can't believe what has happened the past three days.
He must have feared Aru going away again, or a rejuvenated Quintana blowing the race apart.
I don't think J-Rod has any hope and Aru will need an astonishing performance.
Maybe the penultimate stage will surprise us once the gaps from the ITT are known.
kathy

Whatever you lot think about it, I had a great day at the summit today.  I don't think blaming Purito fo 'not doing anything' is quite fair, I could barely stand upright at our vantage point 200m from the finish (think it was supposed to be 17%, although it seemed to be as steep as the part that was said to be over 20%).  They had done 6 climbs before the Ermita de Alba as well!  The Ermita de Alba is one pig of a climb - I hope they use it again!  Of the non-pro cyclists we saw coming up, about 50% were walking their bikes by the time they got to the top.

Might post some photos tomorrow - I don't know if they're any good yet.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Surprising in the extreme, yet the silence around here is deafening. He's lucky his name isn't Geraint Thomas, I suppose.

FWIW - I have had to stop myself posting on that subject a number of times.  I'm trying to be +ve because I though you lot were bored of me griping.  But since you raise the point then yes I do find the concept of big ITT men climbing and  dropping the likes of Valverde etc 'unbelievable'.  I don't know much about this guy but when you look at the top 10 or so driving in the last 5km he's - let's say - stands out!
Boogerd_Fan

I wonder if Purito is looking at Avila on the cobbles and thinking - i can get 30s here if i really go for it?

If he is 90s behind Dumoulin after Wednesday it's all a bit fruitless, but i reviewed the remaining stages - there is still plenty of time to ambush Giant-Alpecin, assuming they have the Jersey after the time trial.
ventoux

I may be getting a bit old, and the memory is going a bit, but I'm sure the GT mountain stages didn't always come down to a fight between the contenders over the final couple of kilometers, regardless of how many mountains they covered in the day...... I find it a bit odd therefore that Kirby keeps telling me what a fantastic race it's been.....

Incidentally, I'm watching from California (many thanks to whoever invented VPN!) and was talking to an American guy today; he asked if I'd been to Le Tour this year (he knows I go most years). I replied that I hadn't, and he said "I guess the tour isn't so poular now that Lance isn't in it".... when I'd finished spluttering, I managed to say "only in the US....". He told me that all he knew was that a British Guy he'd never heard of had won it..... plus ca change.... 😎
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I wonder if Purito is looking at Avila on the cobbles and thinking - i can get 30s here if i really go for it?

If he is 90s behind Dumoulin after Wednesday it's all a bit fruitless, but i reviewed the remaining stages - there is still plenty of time to ambush Giant-Alpecin, assuming they have the Jersey after the time trial.


Funny, I was looking at Avila on the cobbles and thinking the opposite. Wink
Bartali

ventoux wrote:
I find it a bit odd therefore that Kirby keeps telling me what a fantastic race it's been.....


I find him increasingly nauseating.  He clearly has a thing for Dumoulin as he's waxed lyrical about him since day one.  Also ... just how forgiving of Schleck was he yesterday.  "I know he's had his [dope] problems but its great to see him winning again".  FFS.  Italians and eastern bloc =evil.  Northern Europeans = nice.  Beggars belief.
mazda

Ever thought we are looking at this the wrong way ?
Maybe it's as much a surprise that Tom can TT so well.
Ok, he's not a Contador, but neither is he a LLS, Sagan or Cancellara.
He's bang in the middle really.

And we know he can climb.
3rd in TdS.
Won the Aia ITT in Pais Vasco (?).
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
ventoux wrote:
I find it a bit odd therefore that Kirby keeps telling me what a fantastic race it's been.....


I find him increasingly nauseating.  He clearly has a thing for Dumoulin as he's waxed lyrical about him since day one.  Also ... just how forgiving of Schleck was he yesterday.  "I know he's had his [dope] problems but its great to see him winning again".  FFS.  Italians and eastern bloc =evil.  Northern Europeans = nice.  Beggars belief.


I have been listening to Kirby too, and I don't like him much at all.  

But I do insist that we will never find a guy with that role in cycling commentary who is not boring or tedious or repetitive or who talks nonsense.  I still claim that his job is impossible.  There are many minutes, even hours of each race where there really is nothing going on.  Football, basketball, rugby, handball, ice hockey, even track and field have constant action and much more happening.  Especially in recent years where the tendency to ride in a group up the last hill and then attack with three k left.  I mean what do you say about a peloton of thirty riders just cruising up a hill?  What do you say to fill up an hour or two of space where the peloton is riding along in a group with a break out front who is going to get caught for sure.  Admittedly there are races where there is a lot happening (good classics), and admittedly some of the guys do a better job.  Certainly the "colour commentators", "the experts" can be really good, but they only have to speak when they have something to say.

Does ANYONE know of a "filling up the space" cycling commentator who is not annoying?  In any language?
gerry12ie

I am sure there are Belgians that complain about Wuyts in a similar way to us moaning about Kirby, but I doubt it.  I don't have Dutch (who honestly does?) but he sounds like an awful lot more than an air-filler to me - the guy just sounds authoritative in a way that Kirby doesn't.

It says a lot when people would rather listen to commentary in a language they don't understand than listen to Kirby...

http://pelotonmagazine.com/pages/...de-peloton-the-voice-of-flanders/
mazda

Well as several of you know, I am more forgiving of Kirby, no doubt a small part of that because you lot all criticise him so much Wink
I'd happily chat with him if I ever got the chance.
gerry12ie

mazda wrote:
Well as several of you know, I am more forgiving of Kirby, no doubt a small part of that because you lot all criticise him so much Wink
I'd happily chat with him if I ever got the chance.


Mazda, I prefer your excellent ticker feed to Kirby Very Happy
Bartali

He's a air head ... that's what annoys me.  Take yesterday for example.  Why so forgiving of Schleck?  If there is a reason then explain it.  that might fill some time up with interesting views / debate ... but the constant (say) Ulissi is bad, but schlock is good mantra is simply vacuous.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Ever thought we are looking at this the wrong way ?
Maybe it's as much a surprise that Tom can TT so well.
Ok, he's not a Contador, but neither is he a LLS, Sagan or Cancellara.
He's bang in the middle really.

And we know he can climb.
3rd in TdS.
Won the Aia ITT in Pais Vasco (?).


Maybe .... perhaps that's why he can do both well?
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
He's a air head ... that's what annoys me.  Take yesterday for example.  Why so forgiving of Schleck?  If there is a reason then explain it.  that might fill some time up with interesting views / debate ... but the constant (say) Ulissi is bad, but schlock is good mantra is simply vacuous.



The airhead bit doesn't bother me in a way it adds some humour.

But i cannot stand his blatant agenda.
He loves the SKY guys, and clearly sees the rest as the enemy.
gerry12ie

On a personal note, he insists on making ludicrous, outspoken comments on architecture when he clearly knows considerably less than fuck all about the subject...
Bartali

I agree with both of you .... maybe not just Sky guys, but he does have a pecking order of those he likes (English speakers) and those he doesn't (Italians and Eastern Europeans).
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
I agree with both of you .... maybe not just Sky guys, but he does have a pecking order of those he likes (English speakers) and those he doesn't (Italians and Eastern Europeans).


A discussion which has no end or resolution, but on this particular point.  If you listen to the French commentators, Thierry Adam (the air head with stunningly false, incessant enthusiasm about what a great race something is) and Laurent Jalabert (the slightly wiser expert who hates anyone English and especially Sky) you have the same problem.  I think their job description is that they must report positively on anyone who speaks their language and must not say the race is boring or that they are desperate for an attack by anyone.

I remember listening to the Polish commentary on, probably, the Tour of Poland.  Best visual feed on my computer.  Even if they were doing nothing at the time, we got loads of mentions of the Polish riders.  My guess is that the Australians, Russians, Dutch, Spanish, Belgians and the Italians do the same thing.  It is part of the job.  Focus positively on the home guys and how great the race is.  why would a commentator say a race was boring and people should go out and cut the grass for half an hour.

As for actually not liking the things the blah blah guys talk about, that is personal taste.  Some people just LOVED Duffield and his descriptions of meals he ate.  And as we know, some of us like Kirby.  Myself, I agree with those who would be happy to talk with him for hours.  And he does understand Kelly's English, plus some other languages.  THAT is a positive.
HuwB

Lotto Jumbo are going to work for Tom Dumoulin, if he takes the red jersey, tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/CafeRoubaix/status/641264129093836800

Must be OK for Dutchies, but not for Aussies.
Bartali

No its not alright.  If that's official then they should be struck from the race.  Simple as that.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
No its not alright.  If that's official then they should be struck from the race.  Simple as that.


I am sure Robert Millar would agree with you.
gerry12ie

Agree, it's not alright.  Well it's not alright to announce it - although it's been perfectly okay for los amigos to work over the opposition in the last couple of years.  Unofficially perfectly okay that is...
Bartali

Isn't that a fallacy ... los amigos working over the opposition.  I can't really remember any occasion where the spanish teams have pulled together for anyone.

Hagler v Hearns? Great fight.
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
Isn't that a fallacy ... los amigos working over the opposition.  I can't really remember any occasion where the spanish teams have pulled together for anyone.

Hagler v Hearns? Great fight.


I think Contador, Valverde and Rodriguez have 'unofficially' worked Froome over a couple of times at La Vuelta recently, no?  Maybe my imagination...

Hagler v Hearns - probably the most perfect, beautifully destructive 8 minutes of man-to-man athletic competition there has been.  The sight of Hearns carried from the ring by his handler like a broken Bambi was properly wretched.  In case you hadn't seen it the marvellous documentary on Leonard, Hagler, Hearns and Duran is a must see.  True golden greats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tu3bxJOmm4
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
 . . . But I do insist that we will never find a guy with that role in cycling commentary who is not boring or tedious or repetitive or who talks nonsense.  I still claim that his job is impossible.  There are many minutes, even hours of each race where there really is nothing going on . . .


I find Eurosport Germany to be OK. As are the Swiss National TV people. Their strategy for filling the dead time is to talk about cycling in general, what's happening in other races, anecdotes and so on. Certainly less prone to waffling about what's on the screen at any given instant if there's nothing that merits commentary. For example, it was during the Vuelta 2013 that they explained about the Sky Team Car having a "mechanical" on Huez resulting in Froome's hunger knock as they couldn't feed him. The drinks cooler in the luggage space tipped over. The melted ice leaked out. Got into the electrics. The car broke down.

That type of stuff might be of little interest to many, but I enjoy it more that the Paul Sherwen approach of pretending to be the most knowledgeable man in France as he reads from the preprepared script ASO have given him.
kathy

Watched the rerun of Stage 16 on ES today - I believe Flecha when he says the slope was nearer 30% than 20.

Here is Aru about 150m from the finish - this slope was supposed to be 17%, but it was impossible to stand comfortably at the side without wedging yourself against something!

sorry, but JC absolutely refuses to let me upload this photo Crying or Very sad  Confused
Biosphere

Email me the photo Kathy. I'll get it sorted.
kathy

I'll just have one more go, Bio - if it doesn't work I'll mail it to you.






I resized the file, which was far too big - definition is lost of course!
Boogerd_Fan

A regular on Bratislava races comes from the Asturias region, and he uses the hill as training when at home. He said it looked different on TV (less steep!!!!)
SlowRower

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
He said it looked different on TV (less steep!!!!)


Don't they all? Hills also tend to look less steep than I think they are when other people ride up them.
HuwB

Looks as if the GC boys might have a spot of rain to contend with.....
Bartali

Here we go ....
Fontfroide

Yep, looking forward to see who does what.  Bodnar, eh?  Beat Kirienka by  a decent margin.  

Allez LL.

Rain?  That would be a pity, besides being a little dangerous.
HuwB

1' 11" behind Dumoulin for Purito at the first check.
Bye bye jersey...........

Aru has an outside chance of hanging on.
HuwB

At the end of this ITT, Dumoulin is going to be so far out of sight, you couldn't spot him with binoculars.
Bartali

yup ... three seconds Wink
HuwB

Bartali wrote:
yup ... three seconds Wink


A miraculous recovery by Aru.
Lost virtually zero time in the last third.
I hadn't calculated for that.
Keeps the race alive.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:

Keeps the race alive.


Love him or hate him ... thank god for that!
HuwB

We now have the dubious delight of watching a new team by the name of Giant Jumbo. Shocked
Fontfroide

Not sure if you all noticed, but somehow, at the end of Grand Tour, there are two French guys in the top seven in a medium length time trial.  How did that happen?

Indeed, looks like the suspense will continue for a bit.  I keep thinking that one of those guys a minute or two back will decide that glory is better than fifth place, and make some kind of successful attack to surprise us even more.  I suppose it is unlikely.  I should be happy with watching Aru and Dumoulin duke it out.

But surely, looking at the profiles, there are places to make an attack, for one reason or another.  Two Movistars?  Two Katushas?  Louis M in an accidental alliance with Chaves?  Who is going to chase?  Lotto Jumbo?  Probably Astana.

One thing for sure is that Aru and Dumoulin cannot just ride side by side to the finish.  Just not possible.
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:


I find Eurosport Germany to be OK. As are the Swiss National TV people. Their strategy for filling the dead time is to talk about cycling in general, what's happening in other races, anecdotes and so on. Certainly less prone to waffling about what's on the screen at any given instant if there's nothing that merits commentary. For example, it was during the Vuelta 2013 that they explained about the Sky Team Car having a "mechanical" on Huez resulting in Froome's hunger knock as they couldn't feed him. The drinks cooler in the luggage space tipped over. The melted ice leaked out. Got into the electrics. The car broke down.

That type of stuff might be of little interest to many, but I enjoy it more that the Paul Sherwen approach of pretending to be the most knowledgeable man in France as he reads from the preprepared script ASO have given him.


So which ex-cyclist does each show use for the Kelly/Jalabert role?

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