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Vuelta 2015, Stages 11-13: Suffering Sprinters, 2nd-4th Sep

Twas a bit cruel to dangle Stage 12 and 13 as a chance for the sprinters against the breakaway, but make them survive Stage 11 first. But anyway with all the injuries, more likely days for the breaks

Stage 11, Wednesday September 2: Andorra la Vella – Cortals d’Encamp, 138km

















Stage 12, Thursday September 3: Escaldes- Engordany – Lleida, 173km






Stage 13, Friday September 4: Calatayud – Tarazona, 178km



Nolte

for a shortish day, that is a lot of classified climbs 1 special, 4 cat 1 and 1 cat 2
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
for a shortish day, that is a lot of classified climbs 1 special, 4 cat 1 and 1 cat 2


I came across this earlier - it's one of those rare profiles where you can do this and it doesn't change much Laughing

Bartali

I thought that was something from the Tour down under ....
gerry12ie

I thought it was Boogie's Map My Ride...
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Should be a great stage in any case, whether the break makes it or the favourites duke it out.


It could also go the way of them all being cautious because of fear of cracking prematurely and still 10 days to go. I think one thing that may encourage attacking is some will probably be on a bad day after the rest and the big drop in temperatures.
mr shifter

2nd Sept 15, Stage 11 :-CN Live 14:02:26 CEST
Froome seems nervous, shouting and swearing at the TV motorbike that went a little too close to him.
gerry12ie

Not for the first time this year, I wouldn't mind a pint of whatever Ruben Plaza is having...
mazda

Froome looks to be getting dropped.

Maybe the motorbike or bollard that he hit has done some damage.
mazda

Froome 2 mins down.
gerry12ie

The dawg has had his day by the sound of it...
mazda

Has Valverde / J-Rod group dropped Quintana ?
mazda

Nope, did he come back with Aru.
Chaves also there.
Dumoulin finally losing time.
mazda

Possibly another Tinkoff rider hit by a motorbike.
mazda

Dumoulin group is back up with the GC group.
Fontfroide

This race is still a good one.

But there is a little sameness about a breakaway slightly ahead, the favourites (minus one or two tragic failures) reaching the last hill together.  I guess the subtleties of the various climbs are part of the story.  This last few k should be really quite good indeed.  Should.  Classic!  Over and out for a few minutes.
Fontfroide

Aru first to roll the dice.  Could he win a few points?  Oh wait, many k to go!
mazda

Valverde looks to be out of it.
Even Quintana.

Moeno, J-Rod and Aru ahead.
Fontfroide

I am recognising this as a classic.  Tragedy, stellar efforts, uncertainty, terrific.
mazda

Quintana "drops" Valverde.

Valverde and Chaves sitting on Dumoulin.
mazda

Aru trying to get to Landa.
A bit deja-vu.
mazda

Dumoulin has caught Quintana (not for the first time this race).
Fontfroide

I think that whoever wears the red jersey in Madrid, Dumoulin has already won the hearts and minds forever in this Vuelta.  I remember reading about him a few, maybe only two, years ago.  I love it when the young guys come through.   Aru, Quintana ...

He says, as a certified old guy.
Bartali

Interesting!!  What happened to Froome?  Has he fallen ... sorry lat to the game today.
mazda

Don't think Landa will be caught.
But the time bonuses may dictate otherwise.

I think Nieve is between the Katusha riders and Dumoulin.
He, Chaves and Rosa have dropped Valverde.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Interesting!!  What happened to Froome?  Has he fallen ... sorry lat to the game today.


Apparently a crash, injured shoulder and he has been dropped.  Thomas riding with him.
Bartali

This Boswell is doing well.
mazda

Bartali wrote:
Interesting!!  What happened to Froome?  Has he fallen ... sorry lat to the game today.

He did fall/crash, but we haven't seen it yet. His shoulder looks hurt.
Was giving quite a lot of verbals to a motorbike.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Interesting!!  What happened to Froome?  Has he fallen ... sorry lat to the game today.


Apparently a crash, injured shoulder and he has been dropped.  Thomas riding with him.


Not good Sad  That's a shame.
mazda

I like this slow-motion climb.
Like the one they went up in Austria in the TdS.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Was giving quite a lot of verbals to a motorbike.
I though I heard that a Tinkoff rider was taken out.  Froome too?
Fontfroide

Could Astana let Landa win?

Boswell?

My commentators think this stage is a bit lacking in excitement, but I find it an art form.
mazda

Fontfroide wrote:
I think that whoever wears the red jersey in Madrid, Dumoulin has already won the hearts and minds forever in this Vuelta.  I remember reading about him a few, maybe only two, years ago.

The next Indurain ?
mazda

Is Aru #2 on the road yet ?
Landa is barely losing time to him.
Katusha duo at 45".
Dumoulin group at another 45".
Still haven't seen Nieve yet - not enough camerabikes left because the racers keep taking them out.
gerry12ie

mazda wrote:
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Still haven't seen Nieve yet - not enough camerabikes left because the racers keep taking them out.


Laughing  Laughing
mazda

Landa
Aru 1'21"
Boswell 1'38"
Moreno 1'56"
J-Rod 1'59"
Chaves + Dumoulin 2'59"
Fontfroide

What a fascinating stage?  I can study the time gaps with great interest.  And then notice that it is not over yet.  Or is that it?
Bartali

Roche????
Bartali

Fair play to Froome for not getting in the car.
Boogerd_Fan

Paulinho was the Tinkoff rider who got hit...

I'm getting a bit scared.. that JRod might finally have the right formula... he needs a bit more time on Dumoulin and to somehow overthrow Aru.. but still plenty of summit finishes at the weekend to manage that before the 39km ITT.
Bartali

J-rod will need about 5 minutes on Dumoulin won't he? Smile
mazda

mazda wrote:
Landa
Aru 1'21"
Boswell 1'38"
Moreno 1'56"
J-Rod 1'59"
Chaves + Dumoulin 2'59"


As you all probably already know, I missed out Nieve and Majka, between 10 and 20 seconds after Moreno.
So they were there after all !
mazda

Not sure any criticism of J-Rod, however indirect, for the stage design or lack of win is deserved. The stage had the effect he probably hoped it would and I enjoyed it.
Only the "fresh" Aru outclimbed him and most of the other contenders lost big time.
Bartali

mazda wrote:
Not sure any criticism of J-Rod, however indirect, for the stage design or lack of win is deserved.
Agreed - good stage that shook things up a lot.
gerry12ie

Not my cup of tea really, that stage.  More often than not (for me) these mega stages turn out more meh than mega, and today wasn't really all that.  They need to really work Dumoulin over because he is a real threat now.  I wouldn't consider Quintana to be totally out of it either, although the bookies tend to be right about these things...


gerry12ie

Talk is that Landa was told to back off and wait for Aru but he refused.  That presumably won't do anything positive to the mood in the Astana camp...
Bartali

Having sat through countless TdF processions, I wouldn't call a stage that changes the GC as much as this a meh stage.  Might not be the stage of the year, but with the race split apart at the foot of the last climb, Aru, and Dumoulin having to chase onto the lead group early on, 4 riders falling out of the top 10 and everyone other than J-Rod and Valverde changing positions, I'm struggling to think what might better it this year ....

1 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 43:12:19
2 Joaquim Rodriguez (Spa) Team Katusha 0:00:27
3 Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Giant-Alpecin 0:00:30
4 Rafal Majka (Pol) Tinkoff-Saxo 0:01:28
5 Esteban Chaves (Col) Orica GreenEdge 0:01:29
6 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:52
7 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Team Katusha 0:01:54
8 Mikel Nieve (Spa) Team Sky 0:01:58
9 Nairo Quintana (Col) Movistar Team 0:03:07
10 Louis Meintjes (RSA) MTN - Qhubeka 0:04:15

1 Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Giant-Alpecin 38:34:56
2 Joaquim Rodriguez (Spa) Team Katusha 0:00:57
3 Esteban Chaves (Col) Orica GreenEdge 0:00:59
4 Nicolas Roche (Irl) Team Sky 0:01:07
5 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:01:13
6 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:17
7 Nairo Quintana (Col) Movistar Team
8 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 0:01:18
9 Rafal Majka (Pol) Tinkoff-Saxo 0:01:47
10 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale 0:01:52
gerry12ie

I suppose meh is a bit harsh but we basically had 130k of relentless climbing that ended up being fairly one dimensional.  No real changes of pace, no stinging attacks, and ultimately no real surprises - except for Dumoulin hanging in.  These blockbuster climbs tend to negate everything and just make it a big slog.  

It was good, but for me it didn't live up to its billing - but give me a monument any day.  I fully expect other's mileage to vary... Wink
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
No real changes of pace, no stinging attacks, and ultimately no real surprises - except for Dumoulin hanging in.  These blockbuster climbs tend to negate everything and just make it


Each to their own Gerry .... but didn't Aru changed the pace dramatically on the last climb (twice)?  Wasn't it a surprise that Quintana and Valverde shipped a lot of time and Sky virtually exited the race?  That said, a monument should be better as it has a real finale that just isn't there in the second week of a GT. But to be fair, yesterday was far less predictable than the much lauded Alp d'Huez stage in the Tour - that was simply an anticipated attack on the last climb from Quintana which was clearly doomed to failure if Froome rode his own race.  Any drama there was entirely media made IMO.

Soon be Lombardia Wink
Biosphere

Froome out with fractured foot

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...ks-reveal-a-fracture-in-his-foot/
mazda

Bartali wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
No real changes of pace, no stinging attacks, and ultimately no real surprises - except for Dumoulin hanging in.  These blockbuster climbs tend to negate everything and just make it


Each to their own Gerry .... but didn't Aru changed the pace dramatically on the last climb (twice)?  Wasn't it a surprise that Quintana and Valverde shipped a lot of time and Sky virtually exited the race?  

Agreed.
Why do attacks have to be "stinging" ?  Isn't that the hoped for conclusion of the modern riding style (superteam riding at improbably high pace) which we have come to dislike ?

For me the major factor is how far out from the line things begin to disintegrate (in this case the penultimate Cat 2).

Most of the riders were too tired to even wheelsuck properly (except Chaves on Dumoulin which is totally permitted since Tom was Red Jersey) and didn't just congregate in one following group.

Far more entertaining than the usual thing we see - but then again I like watching the lap times in F1 as much as the racing.

re: Sky.
Nieve was also part of the Dumoulin / Aru group that was initially dropped by Katusha/Movistar. He put in a strong change of pace to bring the two groups back together, so otherwise might have had the energy to stay with Aru to the end.
Slapshot 3

So Landa ignored the team orders to wait for Aru yesterday.... how long till he tests positive from an unknown contamination of an Astana food supplement......
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
Froome out with fractured foot

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...ks-reveal-a-fracture-in-his-foot/


Kudos to Froome for finishing the stage.  Gutsy performance!!
Bartali

Slapshot 3 wrote:
So Landa ignored the team orders to wait for Aru yesterday.... how long till he tests positive from an unknown contamination of an Astana food supplement......


Did he?  Or did he just take the ear piece out just in case.

With a stage win and the red jersey I image it is all smiles in the Astana camp at the moment despite the shit storm the media is trying to create ... just my take on it.  And a happy Landa that will now dig deep for Aru for the rest of the race ...
gerry12ie

http://www.ciclismoafondo.es/comp...o-parar-ayudar-Aru-Andorra-Astana

Allegedly translates as something like...

Did you take off your earpiece?
No, but I was about to because Martinelli wanted me to stop and I didn't want to stop.

He asked you to stop?
Yes.

When?
When Fabio was already alone. I thought it was stupid. There was a 1.30 minute gap, I could win the stage and I did not think it was fair to me.

So what was your answer?
That I wasn't going to stop. He promised me that Fabio would let me win the stage... but I just didn't stop.
mazda

He does have a point.
Landa was going (slightly) slower than Aru.
If he had waited it is difficult to see how they could have satisfied both objectives - gain extra time for Aru and allow Landa to win.
He would have had to sit behind just to keep up.
mazda

5 riders out front.
None of them even briefly caught my attention as possible winners (even though Lindeman already has a stage).

Maxime Bouet (Etixx-Quick Step)
Miguel Ángel Rubiano (Colombia)
Jaco Venter (MTN-Qhubeka)
Bert Jan Lindeman (LottoNL-Jumbo)
Alexis Gougeard (Ag2r-La Mondiale).
Boogerd_Fan

Nairo is done... check this:
https://www.facebook.com/CyclingTips/videos/1025111264195892/

hope link works.. :/
Bartali

Woooo ... what's going on there? Posted 3 hours ago .... must be old.  not today.
gerry12ie

gerry12ie wrote:
 I wouldn't consider Quintana to be totally out of it either



Hope he's OK, that's some fairly heavy breathing going on there...
gerry12ie

It is old - two years ago
Nolte

They grinded out the sprint
kathy

I am managing to watch this race, but through Eurosport feed to TV via internet (very slow internet, so I can't comment during the race).  Kirby is driving me mad, but otherwise OK.  Looking forward to next Monday when we will be going to the Ermita de Alba finsih, although the weather here has been absolutely foul all week.
levi

Kathy is there a finish in avila there
is  a few letters missing on the board.
you are doing a grand job .
Avlia is one of my favourite  places in spain
Biosphere

My expectations of a potential sprint finish would appear to be some way off!

mazda wrote:
Apparently this is the road with 500m to go !
mazda

Looks like it is the day for a big break of strong riders.
Not sure of the actual gap yet, as such.
mazda

Olivera (LAM) has a small lead over the 23 other riders in the breakaway, eked out over a long downhill.
Peloton is at 4' with 20km to go.
mazda

Oliviera wins by a minute.
Peloton at 4'48".
gerry12ie

Ta Mazda
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
My expectations of a potential sprint finish would appear to be some way off!
mazda wrote:
Apparently this is the road with 500m to go !
Sorry, but did anyone see this road today.
Sorry mazda but I didn't see it, so just asking. ??

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