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Vuelta'13, Stg.6-10: An Andalusian Weekend, Aug 29th-Sep 2nd

Another 5 day segment. Having lingered in Galicia, it's now a two day dash to the South favouring the sprinters, followed by 3 days in Andalusia and some proper mountains before the first rest day and a big transfer back to the North.

Stage 6
Unipublic wrote:
The sixth stage arrives in Extremadura with a final spin around the monumental city of Cáceres.  Its inhabitants will once again be able to enjoy the arrival of the Vuelta a España after 7 years of absence.  This stage will most likely be a very fast one.  The departure from Guijuelo and the route to Cáceres will invite the peloton to reach very high speeds and the sprinter teams will do their best to prevent any breakaways.







Stage 7
Unipublic wrote:
Little by little, we edge a bit closer to the stages that will determine who the riders to occupy the final podium will be.  The Vuelta bids farewell to Extremadura, departing Almendralejo and once again heads to Andalusian soil.  Mairena de Aljarafe will be the setting for the arrival of the seventh stage, marking the end to a 195-kilometre journey.  The stage is flat and therefore expected to be quick and end with a sprint to the finish line.  In this occasion, the peloton will allow spectators to enjoy the many wonders of Seville.  The race will take a spin around Seville before facing the final challenge and heading to Mairena de Aljarafe.






Stage 8
Unipublic wrote:
The first of three Andalusian days brings with it the first serious attacks amongst the favourites and the first differences amongst the higher spots in the general classification will most probably be made obvious at this point.  The Alto de Peñas Blancas is an unprecedented location in the Vuelta a España.  This 170-kilometre journey will begin at Jerez de la Frontera and will take us to the province of Malaga.  The stage will be tough from the ride through Estepona right up until the finish line.







Stage 9
Unipublic wrote:
Once again, we head to one of the most explosive finishes in the Vuelta a España’s memory.  Valdepeñas de Jaén has one of the toughest ramps in the world of cycling.  Its inclination of almost 30% is more than enough to ensure an epic day of racing for the aficionados.  The stage will be tough and, after the previous day’s efforts, there could well be some differences at the finish line.  A bad day at Valdepeñas de Jaén can affect the remainder of the race.  Leaders will pay particular attention to the final movements in order to fight for the prestige of winning a stage.






Stage 10
Unipublic wrote:
This is the first mountain stage of this year’s Vuelta.  The arrival in Alto Hazallanas, in Granada, may well become of the great discoveries of the Spanish tour.  It’s difficulty, it’s spectacular nature, and the race’s very own progress may make it something truly unforgettable.  The peloton will face this unprecedented climb immediately after having endured the Monachil climb, making this stage highly complicated for all concerned. The difficulty faced in the final part of this stage will make it one of the Vuelta’s truly determining days.




Biosphere

So Tony Martin is gone on a solo time trial effort (complete with skin suit) from the start of the stage!
Boogerd_Fan

lol 175km ITT...
gerry12ie

Colour drains from Wiggo's face... Wink
berck

I don't think he will take the stage. Shame, it's cool to see a rider do this. Just wish they could finish it off. We'll see, but I'm not holding out much hope in it.
berck

Yep, he had lost a minute over the past 10km. With 26km to go, I just don't see it. He only has a minute and a half lead. He'll get caught 10km before the finish.
berck

Hmm, Martin is being stubborn. Increased his 10 second lead to 15 seconds with 10km to go. Good for him! Smile
gerry12ie

Oh no!!!  What a brilliant ride and to lose it only in the last 50 metres.  Chapeau, chapeau, chapeau Tony Martin.

Undone by Cancellara's charge?
HuwB

That chase was organised chaos.
Only one sprint train and it came of the rails.
Shambles of a sprint.
Martin undone by Cancellara and the line being 5 metres too far away.
Oh and I wonder where Tanya bought her crystal ball?

Morkov just said he's never done a "bunch sprint" before. Shocked
berck

Great ride by Martin. Too bad the finish line wasn't a few meters closer.
Biosphere

Just just caught up with today. I find it hard to warm to Martin because of his very high suspicion score on that leaked list a few years ago, but even I would probably have smiled a bit had he pulled it off. German Eurosport was getting very excited in the last few km, and they particularly noted that it was his "great ITT rival" Cancellara that was the one that ultimately pulled him back.

I wonder if there is a bit of needle there and for all Cancellara's talk about being focussed on the road WCs for the future, if he wouldn't like another ITT title too.
Bartali

Watching it now ... good lad for having a go at a super long ITT
Nolte

what a shame that martin misses out by a few meters.

that was a  great finish Smile
shame if anyone had him as a fp, they wouldn't have scored points.
tanya

HuwB wrote:
That chase was organised chaos.
Only one sprint train and it came of the rails.
Shambles of a sprint.
Martin undone by Cancellara and the line being 5 metres too far away.
Oh and I wonder where Tanya bought her crystal ball?

Morkov just said he's never done a "bunch sprint" before. Shocked


I read the Danish sites, where MM said how disappointed he was after missing stage 5 sprint. Very Happy

Hard to enjoy his win though, as I was so hoping Tony to pull it off, gutted he was caught so close to line...
Fontfroide

I agree with Tanya, Martin should have won in a Hollywood feel good world, which I like to see now and again.  On the other hand, no one will forget his ride for a few years to come.  Absolutely incredible to watch him ride.  Astounding.

I like this Vuelta already.
berck

Stybar takes it today.
gerry12ie

Another brain freeze from the sprinters teams to let Gilbert and a cyclocross  champion away in the last 5k on technical finish.  Stybie just shaded it and got the just desserts for OPQS after yesterday's disappointment.

Speaking of cyclocross... anyone heading to Hoogerheide in February for the Worlds?  Looks to be a small step across the border from Antwerp Very Happy

http://www.wkhoogerheide2014.com/hoogerheideen/goto.aspx?tabid=29
Boogerd_Fan

Fontfroide wrote:
I agree with Tanya, Martin should have won in a Hollywood feel good world, which I like to see now and again.  On the other hand, no one will forget his ride for a few years to come.  Absolutely incredible to watch him ride.  Astounding.

I like this Vuelta already.


Only Kevin Costner could ride like that and win after 175km  Laughing  Laughing
tanya

berck wrote:
Stybar takes it today.


He is clearly on great form now, and I really like his personality, but not sure I like his wheelsucking, he tends to do that a lot? Or am I wrong?
Biosphere

tanya wrote:
berck wrote:
Stybar takes it today.


He is clearly on great form now, and I really like his personality, but not sure I like his wheelsucking, he tends to do that a lot? Or am I wrong?


Another late catch up for me. I thought that in the last few kms, but then Gilbert said he had worked as much as him and was a worthy winner. He even went so far as to say he didn't need to pull since tactically he had Meersman behind. I would have expected a bit more fire from a WC chasing his first victory of the season . . . ?
gerry12ie

I'm not sure what Stybar did to get the wheelsucker tag but I had a frank discussion on an Irish forum after PR when someone idiotically suggested that his crash was deserved for wheelsucking.  He followed Stannard at Eneco alright but he was going for the big prize and if Stannard was happy to work then fine.  Same today, if Gilbert wants to play at World Champ training for Firenze then happy days.

This is breakthrough season and he has made a very difficult transition look quite easy.  I'm looking forward to his performances next spring...
Biosphere

Any Irish forum chatter on the state of D. Martin? He was taken to hospital after the stage.

Three big and hopefully entertaining days coming up:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a...rn-mountain-stages-to-be-decisive
Nolte

http://www.stickybottle.com/races...ge-7-unclear-if-he-will-continue/

unclear per sticky bottle. that was posted 3 hours ago.
gerry12ie






That man ain't riding no bike in the morning!
tanya

gerry12ie wrote:
I'm not sure what Stybar did to get the wheelsucker tag but I had a frank discussion on an Irish forum after PR when someone idiotically suggested that his crash was deserved for wheelsucking.  He followed Stannard at Eneco alright but he was going for the big prize and if Stannard was happy to work then fine.  Same today, if Gilbert wants to play at World Champ training for Firenze then happy days.

This is breakthrough season and he has made a very difficult transition look quite easy.  I'm looking forward to his performances next spring...


Oh, I totally agree with most here, he's made an excellent transition and will be one of the favorites in the classics next year! And he really seems like a very nice lad.

I think the wheelsucker tag comes from the cross, he started winning there like that. Nothing wrong in it, per se,  of course.

I do wonder what has happened to the -11 Gilbert?!


I cannot even imagine how sore Dan Martin must feel this morning, damn. :/
HuwB

Know I'm very late to this, but noticed a lot of Stybar wheelsucker stuff on the adolescent's forum.
In the ENECO, it was obvious that Stannard was happy to take a little help and second place.
Yesterday, OK, he might not have done 50% of the work, but he certainly wasn't wheel sucking. How many 2 ups split the work exactly down the middle?
Unfair criticism.

Amazed at Dan "The Mummy" Martin. When he got up, there wasn't a scrape to be seen. Though, why he was looking at his left side is beyond me:

Definitely be lucky to get through the next 2 days.

Crosswinds forecast for today's coastal run that precedes the final climb.
Slapshot 3

Dan Martin is out, symptoms of concussion apparently
bianchigirl

He was tweeting angrily about lack of compassion from the commisaires - been a lot of that lately - sport needs safety before profit
Boogerd_Fan

Having just experienced a similar spill... after 2 weeks i still don't have top speed and the scabs are driving me insane. Martin hit his head too... good plan to leave the race, even if his scrapes are manageable.
Bartali

bianchigirl wrote:
He was tweeting angrily about lack of compassion from the commisaires - been a lot of that lately - sport needs safety before profit


I'm not sure what the issue was in this case, but generally I think the DSs should be taking the flack not the commissionaires?  The Commissionaires are there to strictly enforce the rules ... the DSs should be pulling the rider if there is any sign of danger.  I'm thinking about things like letting Horner ride on with concussion in the 2011(?) TdF. Shocking.  Equally, if a rider is bonking or dry and they are in the no feed zone then they should slow down or stop.
berck

Final climb, are the fireworks going to go off? Wink
Biosphere

Kreuziger gone. Radioshack driving it along and setting the pace.
HuwB

Papi Horner's blood is up! LOL.
Basso sighting. Smile
Roche still there.....
berck

Is Anton leading the leaders?

EDIT:
Sorry, no video links. Relying on web updates. Sad
Biosphere

Anton is being caught. Basso has added a turbo to his diesel.

Edit: Moreno turns on the power a bit late top catch Koenig.
berck

Biosphere wrote:
Anton is being caught. Basso had added a turbo to his diesel.


Does he refer to his turbo as "P E D"? Wink
gerry12ie

Roche in red?
HuwB

Blimey, Konig is turning out to the a fantasy team bargain.
As to the rest, wtf was that?
The phony war continues, with the Spanish quickies content to pinch a few seconds.....................as usual.

Red Roche it does appear. Shocked
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
Roche in red?


i think so

he had a 23 second gap on moreno and 40 seconds on the king in the standings so he should be.
berck

SO Konig, Moreno and then Roche top three?
gerry12ie

berck wrote:
SO Konig, Moreno and then Roche top three?


Yep, looks like Roche in red now
HuwB

I thought Nibali looked a bit uncomfortable earlier on the climb.
Certainly suffered at the finish.
gerry12ie

Kreuziger looks like he wants to head home
Nolte

cqranking has the points for leader down as roche

konig at 0, moreno at 2 and roche at 6.

therefore roche leads konig by 14 and moreno by 11 by my calculations (assuming time bonuses)

i could easily be wrong and eurosports goes to tennis before we can see the overall Sad
Biosphere

Nibali slipping back. Roche leading the GC after this many stages is not something I ever thought I would see.  Pinot is back!
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Nibali slipping back. Roche leading the GC after this many stages is not something I ever thought I would see.  Pinot is back!


Flat+Big climb=Pinot
Flat+Big climb+descent=Pinot? Wink

Roman's candle went out.
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
Nibali slipping back. Roche leading the GC after this many stages is not something I ever thought I would see.  Pinot is back!


no descending on that stage though Very Happy
berck

Looks like Bio and I scored the big points today! Smile
berck

Wow, Horner is still second
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
cqranking has the points for leader down as roche

konig at 0, moreno at 2 and roche at 6.

therefore roche leads konig by 14 and moreno by 11 by my calculations (assuming time bonuses)

i could easily be wrong and eurosports goes to tennis before we can see the overall Sad

1 Nicolas Roche (Irl) Team Saxo-Tinkoff 31:39:30
2 Christopher Horner (USA) RadioShack Leopard 0:00:17
3 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Katusha
4 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:00:18
5 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team NetApp-Endura 0:00:29
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
I thought Nibali looked a bit uncomfortable earlier on the climb.
Certainly suffered at the finish.


He looked like he was suffering with the heat.  He was looking for water at the bottom of the climb and missed two bidons.  Then we saw him pouring it over his head ... and drinking drinking drinking.  I'm not concerned.  He'll be back.  Nice to see Basso turning the screw again ....
kathy

Good stage today.  I thought Valverde would have done a bit more, and was disappointed Anton didn't get it!
tanya

Danish tv said Nibali dropped his chain with 1 km to go, not sure if that happened though. He didn't look too good today, but not many did.

Great win for König, was indeed a good stage. Great to see Roche in red, too.
Boogerd_Fan

Wow Mollema & Kreuziger totally destroyed in 1 stage Sad
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
Nolte wrote:
cqranking has the points for leader down as roche

konig at 0, moreno at 2 and roche at 6.

therefore roche leads konig by 14 and moreno by 11 by my calculations (assuming time bonuses)

i could easily be wrong and eurosports goes to tennis before we can see the overall Sad

1 Nicolas Roche (Irl) Team Saxo-Tinkoff 31:39:30
2 Christopher Horner (USA) RadioShack Leopard 0:00:17
3 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Katusha
4 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:00:18
5 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team NetApp-Endura 0:00:29


i know where i went wrong. i didn't know the bonus seconds available
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Wow Mollema & Kreuziger totally destroyed in 1 stage Sad


It was a tough Tour. With a tough Vuelta, I'm beginning to think that doing well in both this year is difficult. Moreno's ongoing pinching of bonus seconds may be seen in a different light depending on what kind of legs Rodriguez ultimately has.
bianchigirl

Would have loved to see Antonio take one last win for the carrots
Nolte

Bartali wrote:
bianchigirl wrote:
He was tweeting angrily about lack of compassion from the commisaires - been a lot of that lately - sport needs safety before profit


I'm not sure what the issue was in this case, but generally I think the DSs should be taking the flack not the commissionaires?  The Commissionaires are there to strictly enforce the rules ... the DSs should be pulling the rider if there is any sign of danger.  I'm thinking about things like letting Horner ride on with concussion in the 2011(?) TdF. Shocking.  Equally, if a rider is bonking or dry and they are in the no feed zone then they should slow down or stop.


i think martins issue with the commisaires was the 20 second penalty he got for drafting. now what also would go along with the 20 second penalty would be a donation to the uci.
HuwB

Good, fast race in Plouay. Siesta slow day in Spain. (until the wall)
Bartali

Nolte wrote:
Bartali wrote:
bianchigirl wrote:
He was tweeting angrily about lack of compassion from the commisaires - been a lot of that lately - sport needs safety before profit


I'm not sure what the issue was in this case, but generally I think the DSs should be taking the flack not the commissionaires?  The Commissionaires are there to strictly enforce the rules ... the DSs should be pulling the rider if there is any sign of danger.  I'm thinking about things like letting Horner ride on with concussion in the 2011(?) TdF. Shocking.  Equally, if a rider is bonking or dry and they are in the no feed zone then they should slow down or stop.


i think martins issue with the commisaires was the 20 second penalty he got for drafting. now what also would go along with the 20 second penalty would be a donation to the uci.


I have a lot of sympathy if only because the commissioners are so inconsistent ... but at the end of the day he shouldn't be drafting no matter how bashed up he is.
Bartali

Basso goes loooong
Bartali

That was an ugly finish.
gerry12ie

Still the phoney war goes on as far as the GC goes.  Another change of leadership, and again by a solitary second.  Kudos to Moreno who got what he came for, and to Roche for digging in...
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Still the phoney war goes on as far as the GC goes.  Another change of leadership, and again by a solitary second.  Kudos to Moreno who got what he came for, and to Roche for digging in...


Just caught up. Thanks for writing my thoughts. Smile  Wink
Fontfroide

Just out of curiosity, as i noticed (I picked him for my teams) Betancur finishing 16 minutes down today, and have not seen anything of him the whole race, does anyone have any idea what is the problem?  He seemed such a good young rider.  As did Barguil too, who is doing quite well really.

So what happened to Carlos while he was home training?  Any news?
gerry12ie

Fontfroide wrote:
Just out of curiosity, as i noticed (I picked him for my teams) Betancur finishing 16 minutes down today, and have not seen anything of him the whole race, does anyone have any idea what is the problem?  He seemed such a good young rider.  As did Barguil too, who is doing quite well really.

So what happened to Carlos while he was home training?  Any news?


Well whatever it was, it was different to what happened Quintana when he went home... Wink
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Still the phoney war goes on as far as the GC goes.  Another change of leadership, and again by a solitary second.  Kudos to Moreno who got what he came for, and to Roche for digging in...


Just caught up. Thanks for writing my thoughts. Smile  Wink


You two are going too have to unpack a bit what is meant by phony war? It will be clearer after tomorrow, but you don't think Moreno has serious GC aspirations or you think he will be steam rollered in the final week by those that have? At this point in the 2011 Giro would we have said Hesjedal was involved in s phony GC war?
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
So what happened to Carlos while he was home training?  Any news?


Knock on the door  Wink

I want to know who the 40ish% of genii are that resisted the lure of a 1 point Betancur in Noel's game are Embarassed
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Still the phoney war goes on as far as the GC goes.  Another change of leadership, and again by a solitary second.  Kudos to Moreno who got what he came for, and to Roche for digging in...


Just caught up. Thanks for writing my thoughts. Smile  Wink


You two are going too have to unpack a bit what is meant by phony war? It will be clearer after tomorrow, but you don't think Moreno has serious GC aspirations or you think he will be steam rollered in the final week by those that have? At this point in the 2011 Giro would we have said Hesjedal was involved in s phony GC war?


True, I may be wrong, but I reckon he's been given a free hand until the first rest day. Second half of the race is for his boss.

Very tough day tomorrow, that's for sure, so phony war (more or less) to end.
Don't know how to "grab" these profiles, so you'll have to click.
The well known one (Monachil):

The less well known one  (as far as the red "E"):


Some telling gradients to tackle Some old dude Wink video previewing the climbs.
http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/video...lta-2013-alto-hazallanas/2009458/

Don't think Mr Pinot will fancy the bit in between.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:


. . .  but I reckon he's been given a free hand until the first rest day. Second half of the race is for his boss.

Very tough day tomorrow, that's for sure, so phony war (more or less) to end.
Don't know how to "grab" these profiles, so you'll have to click.


He's saying what you're saying when the question I'm asking is being asked by the press. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you're right either, but until at least this evening, it's a much more open question than I would have thought a week ago.

For clicky link pic things appearing in your post, highlight the URL when editing, and then click on the Img button instead of the more usual font and colour buttons etc.
HuwB

Incident packed start.
Pretty big crash in the neutralized zone, results in Bart de Clerq, Guillame Boivin and Alberto Losada and the latest, Barry Markus, to abandon.
Haimar Zubeldia also involved apparently.

Meanwhile Leo Konig is sick and has been yo-yoing off the bunch.
After 34kms he's lost contact and going backwards.
HuwB

The drama continues.
Andrew Fenn and Thomas De Gendt booted off the race!
Holding onto cars.
Bartali

Seems extreme ... isn't it usually a minor fine and a hanfful of seconds?
gerry12ie

Jeez that sounds harsh!  I suppose it saves Thomas hauling 15 stone up the climb though...
kathy

Great news on TDP!  Fernando Alonso has taken over the licence of Euskaltel!
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
Great news on TDP!  Fernando Alonso has taken over the licence of Euskaltel!


Indeed. FF posted this on the main bit of the forum.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...ises-to-run-transparent-team.aspx

That's a steep ramp they're hitting at the moment!
Biosphere

I was just about to post that if Pinot couldn't manage that descent then he's finished at this level until he sorts his head, and then the camera helpfully picked him out at the tail of the group along with König.
Fontfroide

Guess Henao is pretty much done now, thought he might have something left.  Thought I would encourage him by picking him.
HuwB

Moreno dropping, so it looks like the call was correct.
The Italians seem in charge, atm.
berck

Go Anton!
HuwB

Valverde gone! Honer still there, ffs.
berck

Impressive that Horner is sticking around.
Fontfroide

Allez Thibaut.
Bartali

ARGH ..... I wish I could be viewing this live instead of this ES ticker feed .....

Come on my Italian friends!!!!
HuwB

Horner has half a minute.
Bet the rest of them can't wait to be 42.
Bartali

I wish Horner would get some narrower bars and sit down on the bloody saddle ... he looks like a girl! Wink
Beasley

4km to go with a 28s advantage.

Basso driving the pace ... Bruyneel's boys are really doing the business! Laughing
Bartali

Oh heck .... Horner is in the lead. ES will be going nuts!!
berck

Bartali wrote:
ARGH ..... I wish I could be viewing this live instead of this ES ticker feed .....


I feel the same way because I have the same limitations... Sad
HuwB

Nibali fires the afterburners.
Fontfroide

Thibaut is almost half the age of Horner.  Astounding.  And he is still there with the big guys.  Who would have guessed.
berck

He's got 48 seconds to make up on Horner with 2km to go...
mazda

How do they let Horner go each time ?
That's a pretty nifty gap to open up.
berck

Looks like the 'girlie man' is going to do it... Wink
gerry12ie

Damn! Holiday over back in work, pah.  Sounds like the phoney war is over though... Wink
Bartali

Amazing!!!
Bartali

berck wrote:
Looks like the 'girlie man' is going to do it... Wink
Embarassed  Embarassed
berck

I've under estimated Horner. I actually thought of picking him for today yesterday, but I didn't think he would have it in him to do it again.

Being 42 and all. Wink
mazda

Nibali back in red ?
Beasley

Interestingly, Horner held his lead on the road over the final couple of kilos.

Now has a decent lead in the GC, too.

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