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Biosphere

UCI World Championships: Richmond, US - 20th - 27th Sep 2015

McQuaid's final legacy starts next weekend. News and race chat here over the next two weeks.

For now the xTT FPs can be found here.

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra229792.php#229792
Biosphere

And a bit of news . . .

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/g...rld-championships-citing-fatigue/
mr shifter

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About bloody time he took a break.
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mr shifter

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billgull, from FP thread wrote:
billgull PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:06 am    
F/Ps:

Women's TTT = Twenty 16 p/b SHO-AIR

Men's TTT = BMC Racing

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Present plans call for the Mrs. and myself to depart for Richmond on
Friday, 25th Sep. We will stop by Pittsburgh and pick-up the daughter
en route. She has gotten the weekend off from the hospital. We will
arrive in Richmond late Friday evening. We will spectate at the races
on Saturday/Sunday. Then, we will head back to Michigan via Pittsburgh.
I will give a shout-out for "Just Cycling!!!"  Very Happy
Hell of a Journey, Bill, so good luck and happy holiday.
So the stop at Pittsburg suggests travel by car for about 900 miles.
A long day, about equal to London - San Remo, so sleep well, Friday and good Luck Wink
Biosphere

The road race thread is now up and running

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra229826.php#229826
Biosphere

I guess most will have seen this by now . . .

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...fall-in-worlds-ttt-training-ride/
Severo

Where is the TTT on TV? BBC seem to have rights but aren't showing, but because the BBC have rights it's not on the UCI YouTube?
Fontfroide

http://www.fixalen.tv/20150919/vv...ling-55fd01af6803c9.99194128.html

This working for me.
ventoux

Severo wrote:
Where is the TTT on TV? BBC seem to have rights but aren't showing, but because the BBC have rights it's not on the UCI YouTube?


Eurosport have it.....
Severo

I cancelled the Eurosport Player subscription because I'm moving next week to somewhere with rubbish internet.
HuwB

Take your pick. A pile of streams in various languages here:

https://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/

Eurosport, contrary to their schedules, had the women's TTT live.
It's on again, after the men's.

Struggling with all the rugby and these worlds......
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Take your pick. A pile of streams in various languages here:

https://www.procyclinglive.com/livestream/

Eurosport, contrary to their schedules, had the women's TTT live.
It's on again, after the men's.


they originally had highlights of gp de wallonie on the schedule when i checked this morning and then just when i turned on the tv after listening to music and doing puzzles this evening, i saw i missed the womens race
Biosphere

Bad fall for Rogers and Valgren of Saxo. Both got up.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Some of the teams are fielding pretty crack lineups - more dedicated than the TTT you get in the GT.


No need to carry any GC hopefuls and so on.

It's going to come down to seconds between whoever ends up on the podium.
HuwB

BMC made to work all the way to the line by Der Panzerwagon's dirty half dozen.
Bartali

Thought they would loose no.4 on the hill.  He did well to hang on.
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Thought they would loose no.4 on the hill.  He did well to hang on.


I thought so too. The Etix boys nearly had a nasty coming together towards the end when their line was getting ragged.

Tomorrow is the Women's Junior and Men's U23, so FPs needed for those that are outstanding.
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Thought they would loose no.4 on the hill.  He did well to hang on.

The Etix boys nearly had a nasty coming together towards the end when their line was getting ragged.

Yes, I too was expecting BMC's lead to at least drop a few seconds.

The Etixx rider coming back down the line saw a gap and must have thought the last rider was blown, as he moved in the two banged shoulders quite forcefully.
SAP

I live near Richmond and am working as a volunteer in the Accreditation office. Managed to catch part of the Women's  TTT podium ceremony yesterday.


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HuwB

Nice photos.
JC correspondents having a hot streak. Smile

Men's U23 ITT.

Of course my fp rejection re-pick, Mads Wurtz Schmidt is burning up the course and looks odds on to
set a super time. Embarassed
Fontfroide

Yeah, you just wait until Foss rides!!!

Whoever he is.
HuwB

Eurosport's schedule all at sea.
Going to run way beyond their finishing time.
A disappointing lack of spectators roadside.
HuwB

My old KOD hits Scotson. Laughing
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Yeah, you just wait until Foss rides!!!

Whoever he is.


Well according to your pick we're going to be waiting until tomorrow Laughing
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Of course my fp rejection re-pick, Mads Wurtz Schmidt is burning up the course and looks odds on to set a super time. Embarassed


I saw his time and thought it was who you had flirted with, but when I went to check you had deleted him so I wasn't sure.

Now it's raining so Schmidt looking good to close it out.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Of course my fp rejection re-pick, Mads Wurtz Schmidt is burning up the course and looks odds on to set a super time. Embarassed


I saw his time and thought it was who you had flirted with, but when I went to check you had deleted him so I wasn't sure.

Now it's raining so Schmidt looking good to close it out.



The only reason I changed my mind and reverted to Miles "Mechanical" Scotson was because he was placed in the 2nd group off.
Seeding seemed to differ from the info I'd read.

Now it's raining and the times are climbing...................
Biosphere

It looks like a done deal now . . . which is a shame for the last to go.
Nolte

disappointing for the later rider but thats the thing with time trials

come on mcnulty for the juniors tomorrow

nice photos SAP
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Yeah, you just wait until Foss rides!!!

Whoever he is.


Well according to your pick we're going to be waiting until tomorrow Laughing


True enough.  Frankly I got a bit confused with all these categories and thought that Foss was riding yesterday.  Not that I have clue who the guy is, or even care who wins the U23 time trial.  Or is the boys/children's ITT today.  Who knows?
kathy

The TT course to me looks extremely boring.  We gave up watching the U23s last night, fed up of seeing all these wide highways and right- angled bends.  Surely they could have picked a more imaginative course.  I suspect it doesn't show Richmond at its best either!
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
The TT course to me looks extremely boring.  We gave up watching the U23s last night, fed up of seeing all these wide highways and right- angled bends.  Surely they could have picked a more imaginative course.  I suspect it doesn't show Richmond at its best either!


The road race looks like it will be even more linear as it more or less stays within the city grid. Talk of cobbled climbs breaking it up is the one hope, but if it's a city centre, I suspect they're more at the ornamental end than spring classic end of the spectrum. We'll see.
Fontfroide

I think that if none of us got any points in the kiddies ITT for boys, then we should begin the points with 7th and 8th and so forth.   Laughing
mazda

Armstrong in a class of her own in the first group of riders.
She'll potentially have to spend a few hours in the hotseat now.
Biosphere

They're saying on the UCI channel that Armstrong hasn't gone up against an elite international field before, so the expectations were uncertain.

They also discussed helmet technology and there's a bit of a move away from the extended tear drop shape as the riders tend to look down and then the 'tail’ is catching the wind. As a counter to that Lazer have an alarm in theirs that beeps at you when it's not in a good position.
HuwB

Armstrong already looks to have the women's title in the bag, judging from the early time gaps on other top riders.

3rd group just starting off.
Biosphere

Majerus looks so well positioned, smooth and fast. Yet still she's well off the podium!
Biosphere

Villumsen sets an early green time.
Fontfroide

However Solovey is out of it totally.  Last bit of it all on now.

Should have shared.  But then my mum taught me that.
Biosphere

A few green riders now wrt to Armstrong. She may not even make the podium.
Fontfroide

Villemsen
Van der Bergh
Stevens
Armstrong

at the half way point.
HuwB

Shows what I know. Smile

A 5 second podium. Great finish.
Fontfroide

Now I call that an exciting ITT.  Nearly as exciting as a good mountain stage.  Who knows, maybe better.  In any case, it was really good to watch, and I do not normally like watching a TT on TV.
Fontfroide

She's not NZ at all.  I didn't know that cycling had got into this instant citizenship thing like rugby and footie and track and basketball and …   I am a bit disappointed, although as a cyclist she was great, whatever her country.
mazda

Not that surprising none of us picked her.
She didn't win the NZ ITT, in fact hasn't won an ITT this year - but she did win the NZ road race, by 7.5 minutes !
Fontfroide

We miss some.  

She has done exceedingly well in the Worlds ITT lately.
HuwB

Foss didn't do too badly, F.
Neither did my complete stab in the dark.
My second, one position from scoring points. Embarassed

Bio wins the battle of the crystal ball, though:

1 APPELT Leo 37:45 47.682
2 COSTA Adrien 0:17 47.327
3 MCNULTY Brandon 0:59 46.472
4 GIRDLESTONE Keagan 1:07 46.312
5 MADER Gino 1:11 46.233
6 PHILIPSEN Jasper 1:22 46.016
7 LARSEN Niklas 1:34 45.782
8 FOSS Tobias 1:35 45.763


Linda Villumsen was Danish, before becoming a Kiwi, btw.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Foss didn't do too badly, F.
Neither did my complete stab in the dark.
My second, one position from scoring points. Embarassed

Bio wins the battle of the crystal ball, though:

Linda Villumsen was Danish, before becoming a Kiwi, btw.


I think I was a bit extreme.  We had three placings for the boy's TT, and a normal day might be four or five placings, seldom, but sometimes we have someone guessing every single 1-6.  I can attribute this to spending too much time, like more than 15 minutes, trying to invent a decent guess.  I have always been a bit serious, and always been a bit grumpy.  

But sometimes I think that I am going to live not that many more years, maybe 15 or so.  And I might get so buggered, mentally of physically, that Imight not even BE ABLE to guess.  Can't remember names or events, for example.  Already a problem.  And there I am surfing to find out a decent guess for an junior world time trial where every single one of the competitors is utterly unknown, with maybe one or two exceptions over the eyars.  Now guessing who might win the Tour of Flanders or the The Tour, I can DO that willingly.  I can waste time entering carefully chosen teams in numerous competitions.   Junior time trialling, except maybe in my area …  

But we did do well in guessing.  

I knew Villumsen "was" Danish.  I just wondered if and how and why she "became" a Kiwi.  I never asked before, except when she was interviewed I noticed the accent.  I had vaguely heard of her before.  You know how rich oil countries (and many others like rugby countries and footie countries) hire athletes from elsewhere, give them papers and they win medals as rich guy's toys.  What IS the exact story of Scott Spedding, the South African rugby player who now plays for the French?  Love or money?  Did Villumsen fall in love with a Kiwi?  Did she go on holiday and stay forever?  Or was she simply bought by some group or the Kiwi state?  she did look very very good on her bike!  Could be anything, and the commodifying alternative is not so good from my point of view.
SlowRower

Fontfroide wrote:
What IS the exact story of Scott Spedding, the South African rugby player who now plays for the French?  Love or money?


Spedding has lived in France for 7 years and is now a French citizen. He arrived as a 21 year old with nothing more than his backpack and passport. Quite why he did this is not explained, but he's not your typical rugby/cricket mercenary.
Fontfroide

SlowRower wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
What IS the exact story of Scott Spedding, the South African rugby player who now plays for the French?  Love or money?


Spedding has lived in France for 7 years and is now a French citizen. He arrived as a 21 year old with nothing more than his backpack and passport. Quite why he did this is not explained, but he's not your typical rugby/cricket mercenary.


Merci.  Maybe one day soon, if France keep going well, I will look him up and try to find out more.  If so, I will reveal all.
HuwB

Dumoulin is "injured" and was doubtful to take the start.
He's now using a saddle with a hole cut in it.

Startlist:-
http://www.steephill.tv/2015/road...nships/50101_ITT_ME_StartList.pdf

First off the ramp is Michael Hepburn, so straight into it.
Fontfroide

Oh bugger.  He would not have started for an hour or more, but I think it is too late to change.  Typical of this year and FPs for me.

Why don't they tell us earlier?  Where did you hear this Huw?
mazda

FF, they haven't started yet.
May I suggest Brandle as a good outside bet ?  Wink
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Foss didn't do too badly, F.
Neither did my complete stab in the dark.
My second, one position from scoring points. Embarassed

Bio wins the battle of the crystal ball, though:

Linda Villumsen was Danish, before becoming a Kiwi, btw.


I think I was a bit extreme.  We had three placings for the boy's TT, and a normal day might be four or five placings, seldom, but sometimes we have someone guessing every single 1-6.  I can attribute this to spending too much time, like more than 15 minutes, trying to invent a decent guess.  I have always been a bit serious, and always been a bit grumpy.  

But sometimes I think that I am going to live not that many more years, maybe 15 or so.  And I might get so buggered, mentally of physically, that Imight not even BE ABLE to guess.  Can't remember names or events, for example.  Already a problem.  And there I am surfing to find out a decent guess for an junior world time trial where every single one of the competitors is utterly unknown, with maybe one or two exceptions over the eyars.  Now guessing who might win the Tour of Flanders or the The Tour, I can DO that willingly.  I can waste time entering carefully chosen teams in numerous competitions.   Junior time trialling, except maybe in my area …  

But we did do well in guessing.  

I knew Villumsen "was" Danish.  I just wondered if and how and why she "became" a Kiwi.  I never asked before, except when she was interviewed I noticed the accent.  I had vaguely heard of her before.  You know how rich oil countries (and many others like rugby countries and footie countries) hire athletes from elsewhere, give them papers and they win medals as rich guy's toys.  What IS the exact story of Scott Spedding, the South African rugby player who now plays for the French?  Love or money?  Did Villumsen fall in love with a Kiwi?  Did she go on holiday and stay forever?  Or was she simply bought by some group or the Kiwi state?  she did look very very good on her bike!  Could be anything, and the commodifying alternative is not so good from my point of view.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/v...nges-from-denmark-to-new-zealand/

She just states that her life is in newzealand so she got new Zealand citizenship

She did seem apologetic to Denmark when switching
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
FF, they haven't started yet.
May I suggest Brandle as a good outside bet ?  Wink


I think even Phinney is still free?
mazda

Nope, Mr. S. has come onboard.  Smile
HuwB

Jerome Coppel possibly throwing a French spanner into the usual working order.

All through the first check point with Kiriyenka the current boss of the lot.
Biosphere

The spanner in my works is the TV being commandeered for the Great British Bake Off. Swiss TV have decided to cover tonight so no UCI channel on YouTube Rolling Eyes
Bartali

I didn't expect that ... strong ride.
Biosphere

A podium of Kiryienka, Malori, Coppel is not what many would have expected?
HuwB

Sky rider beats an Italian rider to win the rainbow jersey.
Bart's worst nightmare. Laughing

Still, good to see a somewhat unpredictable showdown.
Fontfroide

Did I ever tell you I share a name with Kiriyenka?  Shoulda picked him, or stuck with Dumoulin.  Coulda, shoulda.

Although I do love it when things are are upset and surprises aplenty.

Chapeau Vasil!
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Sky rider beats an Italian rider to win the rainbow jersey.
Bart's worst nightmare. Laughing

Still, good to see a somewhat unpredictable showdown.


No worries here Huw. I thought my man might have won it when K started climbing out of the saddle ... instead he seems to have eked out a handful of extra seconds. Lol

An unexpected podium for all sorts of reasons but good to see ...
Biosphere

Quite like that Kiryienka landed a big one after seemingly years of pulling the peloton along Smile
gerry12ie

Quick interjection after a 5 course tuscan dinner to point out 3 things...

Fontfroides moaning is comical

Kiryienka gets just rewards and probaby lights the clinic up

Moser
Biosphere

I noticed there is a live timing thingie on the UCI website.

http://www.uci.ch/road/ucievents/...tries-start-lists-results-172311/

Break of 4 in the junior women. 40s advantage when I checked. US have 2 in the break - Dygart and White. France with Labous and Poland with Skalniak.
HuwB

1 DYGERT Chloe USA19970101 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1:42:16
2 WHITE Emma USA19970823 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA +1:23
3 SKALNIAK Agnieszka POL19970422 POLAND +1:28
4 KAJIHARA Yumi JPN19970410 JAPAN +1:41
5 ANDERSEN Susanne NOR19980723 NORWAY +1:41
6 BALSAMO Elisa ITA19980227 ITALY +1:41
7 GARNER Grace GBR19970619 GREAT BRITAIN +1:41
8 KASTELIJN Yara NED19970809 NETHERLANDS +1:41
9 PRATT Jessica AUS19971009 AUSTRALIA +1:41
10 JANSSON Ida SWE19980719 SWEDEN +1:41


Damn. Was going with a US win, but decided against a Dygert double.
So, I went all aboard the Skylar. Razz  (19th)
Biosphere

6 laps to go for the men. Break of 3 including Dunbar with an advantage of 25s. The hills are closer to Flanders than I expected, but short.
HuwB

Martinelli sucking the life out of the Dunbar breakaway group.

Typical of these dodgy Italians. Razz
Biosphere

Well they're building a lead and Schachmann is now half way across to them. I picked the wrong time trialling podium person for the men's Smile
Biosphere

Yep, Martinelli has killed the break. Funny tactic when they had more than a two minute advantage.
HuwB

Martinelli now comes to the front and pushes the pace, stretching the guys who have done all his work.
Dunbar done.
HuwB

Martinelli experiences a dose of Karma.
gerry12ie

Sorry 6 course meal tonight and too much vin Santo e grappa but is Dunbar still with the break or is he cooked?
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
Sorry 6 course meal tonight and too much vin Santo e grappa but is Dunbar still with the break or is he cooked?


As cooked as your 6 course meal.
gerry12ie

Grazie huw
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
As cooked as your 6 course meal.


Laughing  Laughing

Multiple crashes in the rainy closing km. Martinelli keeps on going despite the mechanicals.
mazda

France beats Italy.
Fontfroide

Yep, more for the French to be happy about.  Shame about the rain.  Guess we better figure out who likes riding in the rain for Saturday and Sunday.
HuwB

Belgian falls on wet cobbles that creates the winning gap.
Who would have thought.
An exciting, but a bit of a shambles finish.
Not as much of a shambles as the coverage, though.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:

Not as much of a shambles as the coverage, though.


You'd think they would be better prepared, better trained and have better equipment.

Having said that, "the Americans" that televise the Tour of California, free to all and with superb resolution, clearly know how to do it.  Why didn't the UCI just hire those guys to do the coverage?  I can't get any of the USA coverage and have to resort to fuzzy coverage, as do for the Eneco Tour or the Giro.
HuwB

Junior blokes:

1 GALL Felix AUT19980227 AUSTRIA 3:11:09
2 BETOUIGT-SUIRE Clement FRA19980131 FRANCE +0
3 PEDERSEN Rasmus DEN19980709 DENMARK +1
4 MULLER Reto SUI19980205 SWITZERLAND +10
5 SALOMON Martin GER19971029 GERMANY +10
6 CONCI Nicola ITA19970105 ITALY +10
7 NORSGAARD Mathias DEN19970505 DENMARK +13
8 DRAPER Nathan GBR19970711 GREAT BRITAIN +13
9 HIRSCHI Marc SUI19980824 SWITZERLAND +13
10 LEYDER Pit LUX19970111 LUXEMBOURG +20
Biosphere

Altogether in the women's with 95km to go.

Picture even worse than last night Sad
Biosphere

Garfoot trying repeatedly to go clear and stringing the bunch out.

47km (3 laps) to go.
Fontfroide

Audrey Cordon, the French lass, is never mentioned by the announcers.   She iS pretty good.
mazda

Turning into a good race.

Jacinska has been ahead on her own for a while now, but is ever so slowly coming back.
mazda

Have they all just sat up.
mazda

Scandalara and Kitchen go again.
mazda

Down to 20 riders now.
Armistead looking good.
mazda

Armistead on the line from Van Der Breggen.
Nolte

That was good racing. Strongest rider wins. I wondered if she gave too much in the attack on the last hill and then at the front going into the sprint, but armistead was the strongest in the race
Bartali

Yorkshire Yorkshire Yorkshire Smile Smile Smile
Boogerd_Fan

Nolte wrote:
That was good racing. Strongest rider wins. I wondered if she gave too much in the attack on the last hill and then at the front going into the sprint, but armistead was the strongest in the race


It looked like the wrong tactic, but she must have been confident in her sprint being enough anyway
Fontfroide

Terrific evening of sports and a fine bit of racing which made me miss a bit of the rugby.  Armitstead seemed the strongest rider, surveying them all imperiously from the front for the last bit.  Good for her.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Yorkshire Yorkshire Yorkshire Smile Smile Smile


But you are from some southern county around London and spiritually Italian!

Non?
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
Terrific evening of sports and a fine bit of racing which made me miss a bit of the rugby.  Armitstead seemed the strongest rider, surveying them all imperiously from the front for the last bit.  Good for her.


I've had an awful day, followed by a brilliant evening!

Saw the race, couldn't face watching the match, so put it on record.
Plus, Becky is on her way back with 2 silvers at the nationals.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Yorkshire Yorkshire Yorkshire Smile Smile Smile


But you are from some southern county around London and spiritually Italian!

Non?


Non ...

I live in some southern county ...I was born and bred in gods own county
Bartali

HuwB wrote:

Plus, Becky is on her way back with 2 silvers at the nationals.


... and Rachel doing well too.
gerry12ie

Got home in time to see the last couple of laps and thought Armistead well deserved it, looked by far the strongest and won handy enough in the end.  Kirby was at his most clueless best though - he convinced himself that either the lone Pole was going to win or the break would produce the winner, when it was obvious that the main bunch had it under control and that a big name would win it.  I'm surprised at Matt Stephens for going along with him...
mazda

I thought the break "should" have produced the winner but there was no cohesion whatsoever as up to half of the riders weren't permitted to ride.
In the end it turned out that they would have been better served to have taken their chances (except maybe the Dutch who nearly won it).

Jacinska never looked like she would stay away once she'd done a km on her own.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
I thought the break "should" have produced the winner but there was no cohesion whatsoever as up to half of the riders weren't permitted to ride.
In the end it turned out that they would have been better served to have taken their chances (except maybe the Dutch who nearly won it).

.


If they worked together, they would have probably made it I think with the selection of the countries in the group,.

The polish rider went too early to keep going I think.

So how many minutes does Connor Dunn's need to get over the peloton to lap the field?

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