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kathy

Tours of Romandie: 23rd-28th & Turkey: 21st-28th April 2

So who's building up their form before the Giro.    Six stages that look interesting - on paper - but probably aren't, as usual Wink

FP thread can be found here.

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about4925.html
Nolte

picking a rider for the prologue is interestingly difficult with the rise in it.
kathy

A reminder - Romandie starts tomorrow!  Get your FP picks in!
Slapshot 3

Romandie always strikes me as a nothing race, no major sprints, no big hills, bit nothing really...struggle to get excited about it
Fontfroide

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Romandie always strikes me as a nothing race, no major sprints, no big hills, bit nothing really...struggle to get excited about it


Hear Hear.  I keep trying, but ….

All the climbs end downhill, which sometimes gets interesting.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Hear Hear.  I keep trying, but ….

All the climbs end downhill, which sometimes gets interesting.


And on a plus note they race in a French speaking region Smile

More generally, if nobody minds I think I might extend the thread to cover the Tour of Turkey seeing as ES are covering it this week. I didn't realise there was an MTF today. I tend to think of it as a week long sprint fest. About 6km to go now, but I wont post any spoilers for now. Will change thread title later if no objections.
Biosphere

Sky perfecting the art of having 2 potential winners to mess with the rest of the teams. Bookending a 6 day race with ITTs is not the best way to encourage stage racing Rolling Eyes

1e Froome  à 13' 15"
2e Talansky à 6"
3e Kiserlovsky à 13"
4e Porte à 15"
5e Costa à 16"

Froome caught Moreno (1 minute) in the last 300km
HuwB

I thought Talansky's time was exceptional, but Froome, I must say, looked very good.
Porte's form has slipped somewhat, not that it's surprising.
Good ride by Thibaut Pinot, I thought.
Biosphere

It did look like Talansky had it in the bag given there wasn't much more than a second covering the top 5 shortly before that. Barring a mechanical Froome should win the final stage, so the others have to take the race to them but not sure the profiles will allow that.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
It did look like Talansky had it in the bag


As you may know I've been away (out of touch).
I looked at the screen today and thought Tyler Hamilton had returned and then was told it was Talansky.  Wink
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
I thought Talansky's time was exceptional, but Froome, I must say, looked very good.
Porte's form has slipped somewhat, not that it's surprising.
Good ride by Thibaut Pinot, I thought.


I agree.  And am quite pleased by the way thibaut seems to be shaping up.  WAY too early to tell anything, the kid is 22 or whatever.  He may never make it to be a superstar, but he sure does look like he will win a race or two soon.  I like him a lot.
Fontfroide

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
It did look like Talansky had it in the bag


As you may know I've been away (out of touch).
I looked at the screen today and thought Tyler Hamilton had returned and then was told it was Talansky.  Wink


Is it that Tyler and Talansky start with a T?  They look alike?  They are AMericans?  I can't figure out what they might have in common, except being good bike riders.  Laughing
Boogerd_Fan

One thing that's bugging me, i thought Romandie was the traditional leg warmer for the Giro.. most of the guys fighting the GC here are going to the Tour not the Giro. What gives?
Biosphere

A positive globalisation story from Turkey

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/...ur-of-turkey-2013/stage-3/results
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
One thing that's bugging me, i thought Romandie was the traditional leg warmer for the Giro.. most of the guys fighting the GC here are going to the Tour not the Giro. What gives?


Depends.
Basso is going to the Giro, no ?

For some the Giro Del Trentino will have been "enough" and perhaps they are "resting" now ?
Is Wiggins racing again before the Giro ?
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
A positive globalisation story from Turkey

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/...ur-of-turkey-2013/stage-3/results


Berhane / Bouhanni - are they versions of the same name in different languages ?
Fontfroide

Biosphere wrote:
A positive globalisation story from Turkey

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/...ur-of-turkey-2013/stage-3/results


Nice one.  Good to make a point about these kinds of winners.  I mean, there was not even a country called Eritrea only a few years ago.  They had not yet thrown off the yoke of the oppressive Ethiopian regime.  I am glad when "the first X rider" take a trophy.  Its not like this means too much though, as it is in Switzerland that he went to finishing school.  a bit like a lot of athletes from tiny poor countries. l You wonder why are so good and find out they had a four year scholarship to some huge American athletic machine University or something like that.  Still, bravo for Europcar for spotting the guy and hiring him.  Its nice to see a peloton that is not so white as it has been.
Nolte

mazda wrote:

Berhane / Bouhanni - are they versions of the same name in different languages ?


they do sound similar.

from foxnews on berhane - blame google

Quote:
"I feel like I've always been Rastafarian," Snoop said of the spiritual Jamaican movement. While there, he said, he visited a temple, was renamed Snoop Lion and was also given the Ethiopian name Berhane, meaning "light of the world.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainm...arley-reincarnated/#ixzz2RPOCGqI8


i can't find anything about bouhanni.
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:


 I mean, there was not even a country called Eritrea only a few years ago.  They had not yet thrown off the yoke of the oppressive Ethiopian regime.
That and Somalia for which Bob Geldoff raised millions for the area Famine relief.
Most of that money was grabbed by local gang bosses and tribe chiefs, to then have the US marines storm the beach to conquer those people.
The result of which, they got the situation of "Black Hawk Down" and followed by Pirates of International shipping.

Makes you think what life is all about.  scratch
Fontfroide

Nolte wrote:


i can't find anything about bouhanni.


Not sure what you mean.  Bouhanni is the French champ, zillions of articles on him.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Nolte wrote:


i can't find anything about bouhanni.


Not sure what you mean.  Bouhanni is the French champ, zillions of articles on him.


He means the name not the person Smile
Biosphere

Turkey is already on air if anyone's interested.

Meanwhile, I'm off to take photos of men on bikes this afternoon Smile
Bartali

Ummm ... you do that Bio.  Don't worry about poor old me slaving over my desk to earn a crust! Sad
Biosphere

I thought you had staff for that  Wink
Bartali

Sure .... but someone has to keep an eye on them all Wink
HuwB

Well, so far the weather has saved this race.
Today's 3rd cat quite a bit harder than yesterday's 2nd cat.
Meersman lost position on the final bend or else would be bringing home
more fp bacon.
Nice new velodrome those Swiss have built.
Biosphere

I think you're already over the weekly recommended allowance for bacon  Wink

Weather was certainly nice and once again I imagine my face matches the pink jerseys they give out. What I saw of race was not the most exciting.

Photos are bad due to sun shining straight down finishing strait but will post a token effort later when I'm home.
Biosphere

The race organisers say Granges, the townsfolk say Grenchen (bike town and lots more)

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Burghardt, Brändle and Hoogerland lead on the first passage

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2:40 later .  .  .  8 Sky riders in a row

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Meanwhile the velodrome was being roofed

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The second passage reduces the gap to 1:30

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The final sprint

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Frederik Willems was the only rider to finish on his own

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Navardauskas takes the plaudits

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Froome keeps his hands where they should be

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A picture of young French talent especially for Fontfroide

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Bravo gets a big wedge of posh cheese

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Brändle's day in the break pays off. I quite liked that apart from the GC jersey, the presenters were a mix of real people

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Stopped off at the Bicyle Making Company on the way home and got a big freebie calendar with 12 artist impressions of the team

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It's always a struggle to squeeze a bike into the back of a car. He was quite excited when he found out I was Irish and went on to explain how the bike was made by BSA in Birmingham. Obviously the Dan Martin situation has confused him Wink

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HuwB

Top notch stuff there, Bio.
gerry12ie

Thanks Bio
Fontfroide

Merci.  My man Thibaut does look a little gormless.  Kind of like a kid you know from down the street.  He interviews well though, says funny things and seems like a normal conversational type rather than a blatant bull shitter or someone who can't speak well.  His face growth always has the air not of someone who looks cool with a three day beard carefully shaved, but like someone who just forgot to shave.

Now all he has to do is win Stage 4.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
. . . My man Thibaut does look a little gormless . . . . .


Yes. He did have a bit of that about him compared to the others. Mind you, if I was stuck on a podium with a dozen big lenses shoved in my face snapping away, I don't think I would be much better.

Had hoped to go tomorrow too, but hopes of that have pretty much faded due to child minding considerations.
HuwB

Turku produce another doping masterstroke to steal the Tour of Turkey.
An absolutely ridiculous performance in the big ring from the guy who finished second to last, in 2012.
HuwB

Local's (tv) talking about bad weather tomorrow and not using the Col de la Croix.
mazda

Guess who just won his second stage of this race ?
HuwB

Maybe the organizers could come up with a bit more variety with their parcour?
Meersman wins................again.
Fontfroide

So can Cav not even keep up on a third category climb?

Meersman might be the man who earns more points that Cav for the team.
Biosphere

The show must go on. Croix is in today whether or not the weather is bad.

http://www.lenouvelliste.ch/fr/sp...ra-le-col-de-la-croix-487-1176634

Read an interview with Meersman last night where he said the last 3 stages were his target at the start, so not clear how serious Cavendish ever was. Building condition for the Giro was the real aim I guess. Besides, he usually gets himself in trouble when sprinting in Switzerland so best to keep a low profile Wink
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
The show must go on. Croix is in today whether or not the weather is bad.

http://www.lenouvelliste.ch/fr/sp...ra-le-col-de-la-croix-487-1176634

Read an interview with Meersman last night where he said the last 3 stages were his target at the start, so not clear how serious Cavendish ever was. Building condition for the Giro was the real aim I guess. Besides, he usually gets himself in trouble when sprinting in Switzerland so best to keep a low profile Wink


You were saying? Wink
Apparently the dithering and alternative have turned the Queen stage into a bit of a Joker.
As for the tv coverage....................
Fontfroide

Oh dear, just came on.  Not many with shorts.  Route trimmed. Hmmm.  

Still, ends with the climb.
http://www.ihdsports.com/stream.php?id=2&reload=1366725951009
Fontfroide

Doggone it, Talansky dropped.
Fontfroide

But there is some racing coming.
Fontfroide

One day a Colombian team would be really fun again.
gerry12ie

So they all sat and argued while Froome rode away with the race.  Hats off to him and Spilak but the stupidity behind them was epic.  

1 - Spilak
2 - Froome s.t
3 - Costa 1.00

Race well and truly over.
Fontfroide

Tend to agree.  Seemed like we could have had a little bit more racing at the end.   Classic problem of collective vs individual welfare.  Paralysis leads to boredom.

Mind you Anyone could have attacked, if they were strong enough.  But it appears only Spilak and Froome were.  Froome did look pretty good.  He was the yellow jersey, attacked and no one could catch him.  

The right guy is going to win.

And apparently Froome doe snot even  like this kind of weather.
HuwB

gerry12ie wrote:
So they all sat and argued while Froome rode away with the race.  Hats off to him and Spilak but the stupidity behind them was epic.  

1 - Spilak
2 - Froome s.t
3 - Costa 1.00

Race well and truly over.


Indeed. Better to finish 5th and lose a minute, than 8th and lose 30".
Dumber than a bag of spanners these so called GC men.

All in all, better than expected, but behind Froome, the top 10 is separated by next to nothing and now we have the usual Romandie over long ITT.
Biosphere

Quote:
. . . . Better to finish 5th and lose a minute, than 8th and lose 30". Dumber than a bag of spanners these so called GC men . . . .


Just watched today's highlights. I wonder how much of the non co-operation and conservatism in the chase was a case of Froome's unbeatable so lets be cagey and bank the points for the end of year WT ranking exercise.

I must say my disappointment at missing out on going in person was somewhat tempered by seeing the weather - I was spoiled on Thursday. My first cycling holiday in the Alps was in the region and the day we took in Mosses / Diablerets / Pillon the weather was pretty much the same. At least it was August so it was warm(er).
HuwB

Whole Turkey stage live, today.
109kms to go.

http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trt1

Click on TRT 1
Biosphere

Ta for Turkey link. Will watch replay tonight on ES.

gerry12ie wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:

And Huw in the lead now, with Martin yet to ride.

"Fearless picks" on Martin or Froome by many folks.  I hope someone beats them both.  Anyone.  Especially Peraud Laughing


You can have your fearless picks - I'm trying to open my account for this race Wink


Hadn't realised today was starting quite so early (relative to normal Romandie carry on). Had just excused myself form visitors to check when to set up timer Smile
HuwB

This has been live too, all day:
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/255352/events/2055469
The GP Concordia from Denmark.
No idea how many kms left. Embarassed  Laughing

Must remember Tuscany at eight pm........
Biosphere

Hadn't realised Burghardt had displaced Bravo in the KOM. BMC get a wee bit of publicity and enough cheese for a celebratory fondue.

Just spotted this pic from yesterday



Copyright: Jean-Christophe Bott/AP
HuwB

Martin
Malori
Froome

Mmm, I did rather well out of that result. Smile
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Mmm, I did rather well out of that result. Smile


Careful or we'll start calling you Skyborg Wink
Fontfroide

My observations.

Who are Ludviggson and Christensen?

Delighted to see Spilak up there, I had thought he would never make it big, and I rather liked to see him in front all the time working for his leaders over the last few years.  He has style.

Rohan comes of age?

Photographers are good at photos, not much better than us at FPs.

What happened to Talansky (personal interest, as I picked him for GC)?

Bit sad for Pinot, as he had big hopes.  Still, he is young.

Is Romain Sicard ever going to do anything or was he a one year wonder?

Is it foolish ever to bet against Tony Martin in a flat time trial?
Fontfroide

Tour of Turkey observations, although I hardly followed it at all.

Who is this fellow Mustapha Sayar?

Beside the top two from "non-cycling powers", the rest of the top ten is very strange.  Four guys from France and six from places that normally are not cycling powers of any kind.  Other than those French guys, FOUR of them, the race appears to be for nobody much.  Even the French guys are not that great.

What is the Turkish Beauties Sprint classification, and who are ANY of the guys in the top ten?

Why exactly are "some people" pissed off about Mustapha taking the race?
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
Tour of Turkey observations, although I hardly followed it at all.

Who is this fellow Mustapha Sayar?

Beside the top two from "non-cycling powers", the rest of the top ten is very strange.  Four guys from France and six from places that normally are not cycling powers of any kind.  Other than those French guys, FOUR of them, the race appears to be for nobody much.  Even the French guys are not that great.

What is the Turkish Beauties Sprint classification, and who are ANY of the guys in the top ten?

Why exactly are "some people" pissed off about Mustapha taking the race?


FF: For me, this is the interesting debate.

As a race, Turkey is brilliantly organized. Magnus Backstedt went as far as to say it was once of the best he's ever experienced.
Teams are extremely well catered for. Very good "resort" hotels etc.
The tv coverage is superb; only bettered by the TDF, imo.
It attracts huge roadside crowds, whereas, outside
the start finish towns, Romandie crowds are...............a bit thin.
There is an abundance of parcour to choose from.
The past two years have seen Turkey introduce two new MTFs, whereas Romandie continue to supply an insipid route.
The weather is superb.
Plus, it's at the juncture of Europe and The Middle East.

All it lacks, are the very best riders.

Which race merits the WT calendar slot?
Fontfroide

Yeah, well I don't often think like that.

On the surface, I would say the races must have about equal interest for a spectator, although as you point out with the "arrangements" there are riders and fans and other factors.  I figure the Turks will take some time to get recognised, lack of money to pay off people and basic racism need some time to disappear as problems.

Thanks for the thoughts.  Still don't know why people don't like Mustapha winning.
gerry12ie

I didn't see Sayer win.  Was it as dodgy looking as is suggested?  Seeldraeyers is a damn good climber and I believe he was just blown off the wheel of Sayer who was in the big ring.  That doesn't smell right...
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:
I didn't see Sayer win.  Was it as dodgy looking as is suggested?  Seeldraeyers is a damn good climber and I believe he was just blown off the wheel of Sayer who was in the big ring.  That doesn't smell right...


I saw it.... it looked "iffy" to me.....  Shocked
Fontfroide

Put more crudely so I can be sure what is being thought and said, the guy was obviously doped.  Is that what one is hinting at?

Anyone ever heard of this guy before, anywhere?
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:
Tour of Turkey

Why exactly are "some people" pissed off about Mustapha taking the race?
As I understand it. Last year he finished 164 out of 167 finishers.
The Inference being that there is a smell about the performance.

HuwB wrote:

There is an abundance of parcour to choose from.
The past two years have seen Turkey introduce two new MTFs,
Plus, it's at the juncture of Europe and The Middle East.

All it lacks, are the very best riders.
I havn't seen the race for two years and back then this race appeared to be the grotty main coast road day after day with bunch sprints.
I am impressed with this years parcours and MTF's and then the coast road surfaces have improved.
Not bad for an Asia tour.
Nolte

mr shifter wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Tour of Turkey

Why exactly are "some people" pissed off about Mustapha taking the race?
As I understand it. Last year he finished 164 out of 167 finishers.
The Inference being that there is a smell about the performance.
.


plus also last year, the ex-winner from the same team, Gabrovski tested positive and the overall stripped from him.

so with the increase in performance of stayar from 160th at 100 minutes behind out of 162 (as per cqranking.com) and the teams past, it's hard to be happy with his victory.
Biosphere

velonation wrote:
At the finish of stage six Kittel tweeted pointedly about the result. “I was not often in my life so angry about a result of someone else,” he wrote. “And I see many people around me feeling the same.”

The message clearly referred to the dominant victory of Mustafa Sayar, a rider with the Continental Torku Sekerspor team.

Kittel was asked about this in yesterday’s conference, but didn’t want to say much.

“What I tweeted yesterday [Friday – ed.] had a reason. I would just like now to concentrate on the rest of the stage race, tomorrow there is a sprint again for us. I think that everybody understood what I said and I want to leave it like that.”


http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...to-sprinting-against-Greipel.aspx
Nolte

from chris juul jensen's twitter

Quote:
Team Torku really know how to time their form for the Tour of Turkey

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