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Tour of Eneco

Starts on Monday 10th August. FPs can be found here:

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra228826.php#228826
Nolte

Flying along today. I am home from a walk and 10k left
Nolte

That was a messy sprint. I think the only sprinter with more than one team mate in the last 3k was greipl and he got separated from his three team mates, leaving too much work to do, starting the sprint far too early and losing out to viviani
Fontfroide

I may be seeing things casually, but doesn't it seem that Greipel is losing his train now and again, and maybe not finding them for a bit or ever?
Nolte

It was messy on monday but it is a problem for greipl. I think I recall petacchi looking across once in a sprint seeing greipl following an ag2r wheel.

I use to describe greipl as the fastest man in the Last 300 meters, unfortunately the other sprinters are at 200 meters by that time
Fontfroide

Looks like Greipel lost his train again.  Clearly the guy is not cut out to be a great sprinter.  Or he missed some of the training.  Or maybe they need a guy in front of him and behind him to nurse him through.  The train seem to be staying together, but suddenly someone bumps Andre off or he just drifts off.  Maybe every team knows this and they assign one guy to give Greipel a hard time, when they see him.  Kind of like man to man marking in certain sports.  He seems quite easy to detach from his train in this Tour, even though he appears to be fast enough to make up quite a bit of lost ground at the very end.

Rather happy Boonen, the "old wise guy who might be past it", won.  I expect he might be a bit of a favourite when the Richmond race comes along.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Clearly the guy is not cut out to be a great sprinter.
Shocked

Really?  With 17 GT Stage wins and 13 or so wins this year he's no mug!
gerry12ie

Tomekke eh?  The old dog for the hard road... Wink
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Clearly the guy is not cut out to be a great sprinter.
Shocked

Really?  With 17 GT Stage wins and 13 or so wins this year he's no mug!


OK, you know more than I do usually.  I watched the end of the stages, more than once.  Seems to me it is pretty obvious, although I will watch again if you say differently, that there are a crowd of riders at the end, pretty chaotic, including a long identifiable line of Lotto riders.  4-5- maybe even six.  Suddenly, for no utterly obvious reason, the last guy in line (Greipel) has lost the wheel of the second last.  Greipel is on his own and his train is still riding hard, mostly in a line.  Correct me if this does not happen.  In addition, I would have thought, and I could be wrong, that the job of Greipel is to sit on the wheel of the last leadout guy, until 2-300 metres from the end, then he goes.  Seems to me Greipel loses the wheel every time, or twice anyway.  I am not deeply impressed with this.  This failure to use the train seems totally down to Greipel.

No doubt he wins lots, he is the fastest guy in the race.  He was hopelessly behind today, like twenty guys between him and the front, and he still finished sixth.  Why does he get dropped?
billgull

Fontfroide wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Clearly the guy is not cut out to be a great sprinter.
Shocked

Really?  With 17 GT Stage wins and 13 or so wins this year he's no mug!


OK, you know more than I do usually.  I watched the end of the stages, more than once.  Seems to me it is pretty obvious, although I will watch again if you say differently, that there are a crowd of riders at the end, pretty chaotic, including a long identifiable line of Lotto riders.  4-5- maybe even six.  Suddenly, for no utterly obvious reason, the last guy in line (Greipel) has lost the wheel of the second last.  Greipel is on his own and his train is still riding hard, mostly in a line.  Correct me if this does not happen.  In addition, I would have thought, and I could be wrong, that the job of Greipel is to sit on the wheel of the last leadout guy, until 2-300 metres from the end, then he goes.  Seems to me Greipel loses the wheel every time, or twice anyway.  I am not deeply impressed with this.  This failure to use the train seems totally down to Greipel.

No doubt he wins lots, he is the fastest guy in the race.  He was hopelessly behind today, like twenty guys between him and the front, and he still finished sixth.  Why does he get dropped?


He got dropped today, because I F/Ped him!!!  Embarassed
gerry12ie

I think you are both right Very Happy

Greipel is as fast as anyone in the last few years - when he gets it right.  He comes off the train well - when he doesn't lose them, and he can sprint without a train - but usually when he has lost them.  More than the other pure sprinters (Sagan is an exception) he seems to lose the wheel and I don't know if it is his fault or whether the train isn't as good as it might be.  In fairness, when it comes to sprinters and trains there has been Cav & HTC - and the rest.  Nothing has really come close to the Children of the Damned since...
Boogerd_Fan

Well, Greipel used to benefit from the same HTC train.. and was successful with it too.
Lotto have a good train, but not an exceptional one.
Nolte

gerry12ie wrote:
I think you are both right Very Happy

Greipel is as fast as anyone in the last few years - when he gets it right.  He comes off the train well - when he doesn't lose them, and he can sprint without a train - but usually when he has lost them.  More than the other pure sprinters (Sagan is an exception) he seems to lose the wheel and I don't know if it is his fault or whether the train isn't as good as it might be.  In fairness, when it comes to sprinters and trains there has been Cav & HTC - and the rest.  Nothing has really come close to the Children of the Damned since...


yes, in terms of strength and speed, greipl is really strong, extremely strong with lots of power but he tends to struggle if he gets separated from his train.
gerry12ie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Well, Greipel used to benefit from the same HTC train.. and was successful with it too.
Lotto have a good train, but not an exceptional one.


True, but look at the carriages that might be on that HTC train in any given race...

Rogers
Renshaw
Pinotti
Bak
Barry
Der Panzerwagon
Goss
Grabsch
Hincapie
Eisel
Howard
Velits
Henderson

I reckon even I would have had a chance of a win coming from the wheel of that mob*

*not that I would have held their wheels in the first place
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:

True, but look at the carriages that might be on that HTC train in any given race...

I reckon even I would have had a chance of a win coming from the wheel of that mob*
Remember HTC had Cavendish on the lead out train in Sacremento and then realised they had a missile that upset the other sprinters.
He took off as last man leadout and looked round to see an enormous gap, so he freewheeled to 4th place.
HuwB

The obvious trialist, who nobody managed to fp takes the ENECO ITT.
Van Emden from Wilco Keldermerckx for a Dutch 1-2.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Stage 5:- Van Avermaet
Thin pickings with this GC.


Despite me going for same, wasn't sure how selective today was going to be. There are many climbs, but not so big. A better profile from the organisers would help. Could maybe see some of the hardy sprinters being there at the end. Or Mazda may have the last laugh with Boonen Smile
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Stage 5:- Van Avermaet
Thin pickings with this GC.


Despite me going for same, wasn't sure how selective today was going to be. There are many climbs, but not so big. A better profile from the organisers would help. Could maybe see some of the hardy sprinters being there at the end. Or Mazda may have the last laugh with Boonen Smile


Pretty much the reason I stole a half share of GVA.
Should get a placing if any of the sprinters remain to contest the win.
With a clearer profile, I might well have gone for Kelderman, (or Nizzolo/Hofland sort) the stage being in Holland.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Stage 5:- Van Avermaet
Thin pickings with this GC.


Despite me going for same, wasn't sure how selective today was going to be. There are many climbs, but not so big. A better profile from the organisers would help. Could maybe see some of the hardy sprinters being there at the end. Or Mazda may have the last laugh with Boonen Smile
Well I was late again and I was about to pick Tomeke but saw Mazda so I've gone with Niki.
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Stage 5:- Van Avermaet
Thin pickings with this GC.


Despite me going for same, wasn't sure how selective today was going to be. There are many climbs, but not so big. A better profile from the organisers would help. Could maybe see some of the hardy sprinters being there at the end. Or Mazda may have the last laugh with Boonen Smile


it is the stage modelled on the amstel gold race so with amstel gold, good punchy sprinters can get there or thereabouts at the end along with the hilly classics riders so it is the tough one to pick.

most likely i would think one rider slipping away and every one else saying "can't someone else bring him back"
Nolte

3'22 with 32km left, t is raining
Nolte

its got miserable

i was out in weather like that a number of weeks ago, had to replace my mobile phone afterwards
Biosphere

If only Boucher has been patient and waited his turn.

That was brutal weather at the end. I was BBQing in it last night but I was well sheltered from the howling gale. A 30m tree was snapped off at the base at the Mrs. family farm though!
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
If only Boucher has been patient and waited his turn.


yes and madiot didn't before this seem like the manager you wanted to disobey team orders from.
it'll be interesting who'll consider taking boucher on over that
Nolte

I enjoyed the racing here and the arctic race
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
I enjoyed the racing here and the arctic race


Twas a nice little circuit to finish it off.

I read that Ben Hermans did not join BMC on the podium when they were awarded the Team Prize. Maybe felt he was hung out after his mechanical?
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
Nolte wrote:
I enjoyed the racing here and the arctic race


Twas a nice little circuit to finish it off.

I read that Ben Hermans did not join BMC on the podium when they were awarded the Team Prize. Maybe felt he was hung out after his mechanical?


or felt that dillier should have stayed with the main group?

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