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Tour of California: May 12th-19th, 2013

Just a reminder that this kicks off soon and the FP thread can be found here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about4935.html

Kathy is awaiting at least your GC and Stage 1 picks Smile

Today's profile is a loop around Escondido

Biosphere

Just checked start time and it's in about 56 mins from this post. 11:15 local time or 19:15 BST.
Beasley

Doubt I'll have time to really follow the race, but as someone who's dipped his toe in race organising I applaud the race committee, they've produced a well balanced route.

Three flat stages
Two rolling stages
Two MFTs
A 32km ITT with a 3km @ 10% sting in the tail

I think it's very difficult to pitch these races appropriately. Knowing a few people involved in the ToB, they get very frustrated when fans get on their back about setting a tougher route when part of the ToB's appeal to teams without an obvious commercial interest in  the UK is that the route is tough enough to give an honest workout, but not ripe the riders leg off. Frankly, more than anything else organisers need a race teams want to race. This is a race teams'll want to race.
HuwB

Well, it's live on both Eurosport and the tracker, with Phil and Paul.
For non-Eurosport folks, that can be found here:

http://tourtracker.amgentourofcalifornia.com/

69kms to go and the break is tackling the climb slightly faster than the bunch.
Thor already gone out of the back door.
Boogerd_Fan

lol Netapp just destroyed the main field on a Cat 3 climb!
kathy

Cannondale left to chase down the break on their own!
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
Cannondale left to chase down the break on their own!


I was keeping half an eye on things since the sprint is pretty inevitable, but they didn't seem to be doing a great job of it, but that may be my mistake. Andy Schleck chasing down attacks! What's the world coming to  Shocked
HuwB

Flip me, there is life in Andy Schleck.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Flip me, there is life in Andy Schleck.


More than Gilbert.
kathy

Nasty crash for Romero.
Biosphere

Chaotic run in.
HuwB

Westra with ease. Bunch out to lunch.
Sagan benefit not assured, this year.
Boogerd_Fan

Sagan mechanical just after Westra & Mancebo made a move... chase not organized, otherwise i think they would get them and Sagan wins from Meersman.

Try again tomorrow Wink
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Sagan mechanical just after Westra & Mancebo made a move... chase not organized, otherwise i think they would get them and Sagan wins from Meersman.

Try again tomorrow Wink


Yes, from lMeersman will do me fine.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
Chaotic run in.

How do you stay awake.
I make that 10 to 1 (00.50 CET) where you are. ?

Whenever I open my eyes, that all I could see were two guys riding bikes somewhere so I switched off.
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Chaotic run in.

How do you stay awake.
I make that 10 to 1 (00.50 CET) where you are. ?


I don't sleep much some times. I hadn't even started my homework for German class this morning at that time Laughing
HuwB

Tonight's stage:


Finish climb of the Palms Springs tramway:
Length: 3.8 miles
Elevation Gain: 1910 ft
Average Grade: 9.5%
Last 1.2 miles: 12%
Last 1/2 mile: 14.3%
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
Chaotic run in.

How do you stay awake.
I make that 10 to 1 (00.50 CET) where you are. ?


I don't sleep much some times. I hadn't even started my homework for German class this morning at that time Laughing

I used to stay up very late with Cycle Race Entry Forms which needed to be done for the printers.
I've just realised that Boogey must be a night owl too.
Boogerd_Fan

Smile

23:00 - 01:00

the ONLY time when i don't have a screaming 2 year old in the background (unless i'm on my bike) Smile

curious to see if Sagan can survive the final climb to win the sprint?
HuwB

Mmmmm, I seriously doubt it, unless there isn't much hammer going down.
Should be getting the last 70kms live again, as the heat takes it's toll.
Nolte

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
lol Netapp just destroyed the main field on a Cat 3 climb!


maybe good sign for anyone who fped leopold the king for the overall and bartosz the huzarsky for today's stage Very Happy
HuwB

Flying down the descent, so the kms are ticking over rapidly.
46kms to go and 6 minutes advantage.
Fontfroide

And the climb begins.  Pretty darn high.
Biosphere

And the time gap just crumbles . . .

A few kms ago I thought Chavanel was in with a chance
HuwB

Sagan lasted 100 metres. Razz
Fontfroide

No idea why I picked Gilbert.  I guess I forgot to look how long the climb was.  Another dumb mistake.  Forgot to notice Gilbert was the teammate of Tejay.  Another dumb mistake.
Fontfroide

Picture is so clear I am astounded.
Fontfroide

Schleck gone already.  Not ready yet.
Fontfroide

Does look seriously steep already with the best yet to come.
gerry12ie

Diegnan would have been a much better pick for Saxo than Roche...
Fontfroide

Surface perfect, feed perfect, the rocks are so clear I am stunned.  Did I say that already?  After the fuzziness of the Euro feeds, I am delighted the Americans can do it properly.  

Who picked Deignan?
gerry12ie

Me - he won the Tour of Gila last week.  The conditions suit him, he would be well used to those temperatures in Donegal... Wink
Biosphere

That was a steep finish.
Fontfroide

I am so glad the USA race organisers have found some climbs to end the stages.  The first few years, it seemed like they had none.  And even this one looks like it might have been a dirt road until they paved it perfectly last week or month.  It was really pretty, if a bit dry.
HuwB

That was hard, grovel gradient.
Hatch on the heat bandwagon, but is clueless to how steep that was.
Schleck probably stopped off for a cold one.
Fontfroide

Schleck still nil.  PIty really to see a guy fall so far.  Not that I liked him, but still …

Westra one of the big favourites to beat Tejay.  Lost many minutes, race over?

I remember Azevedo when he rode for Lance.  Now riding for a tiny team, like so many of the ex-druggies, if he is ex.  OOOps.  Not the same guy, another Azevedo, Janier, not Jose who now is a DS for Radio Shack.
ventoux

gerry12ie wrote:
....The conditions suit him, he would be well used to those temperatures in Donegal... Wink


Laughing
Fontfroide

Night all, off to bed.  

Nice finish, but when all is said a done, not a fantastic landscape (all right, if you like desert, pretty nice), and not much competition.  Still they have longer climbs coming up, and it does prove their are steep climbs in the USA/California.
Biosphere

I quite enjoyed the landscape last night. Barren yes, but that has its appeal in some ways. I enjoyed the steepness at the finish. Saw Schleck coming in what looked like a few seconds ahead of Westra, looked away to make a post and when I looked at TV again Westra was still grovelling to finish. FF, Schleck never has much form here from what I can remember. Has he ever done anything more than the occasional half hearted attack? I remember him having a go for the team a day or two after Weylandt died two years ago. I wouldn't read too much into what he does this week.

Not that I disagree with Beasley about putting a course together for these one week races, but I wonder how a day like yesterday fits in with the don't make it too hard theory.

I should have had a look at the profile before posting FP. Was driving to airport to collect my Dad when I remembered I forgot to post something. Just took Sagan as a default since any toes I stepped on could hardly be upset about it Smile

And thanks to Huw for posting the profile yesterday.
Biosphere

And here is Tuesday's profile.

Palmdale to Santa Clarita
mazda

Now that's what you call a climb, even if under 4 miles.

There are some steeper for longer in Europe - take today in the Giro - but they don't seem to have the same destructive effect on the peleton.

Were ES commentators right to keep harping on about the weather, without actually saying how hot it was ?
Surely the Tour and Vuelta see hotter temperatures, and longer stages.
mr shifter

mazda wrote:
Now that's what you call a climb, even if under 4 miles.

There are some steeper for longer in Europe - take today in the Giro - but they don't seem to have the same destructive effect on the peleton.

Were ES commentators right to keep harping on about the weather, without actually saying how hot it was ?
Surely the Tour and Vuelta see hotter temperatures, and longer stages.
Well I heard or saw 111 F. and that is cooking and not for me thanks.
Can't remember seeing helpers waiting to stop them falling off on the finish line. That is "ALL" the riders.
I have in Marathons and Stephen Roche
Fontfroide

That is 44 degrees C, and in France that would be considered totally hot by anyone for any reason.  The criteria for "canicule" which means outrageously and uncomfortably hot, is that it stays above 30 degrees in the day and does not go below 20 degrees at night.  If that goes on for a day or two it is the dreaded "canicule".  So 44 degrees is totally hot.  I don't remember a stage in the Tour at that temperature.  Mind you humidity plays a role too.  My commentators mentioned the heat.  Maybe not enough.  But maybe also a very dry heat.
mr shifter

THey are saying 75 F.
17 miles into the stage with 23 riders @45 secs with "quote" severe crosswinds.
Including Sagan & Chavanel.
HuwB

Big, big slow down, since the break is now established. Guess who's in it?
Lieuwe Westra and Andy Schleck.
HuwB

Tracker live with 73kms to go.
Boogerd_Fan

Schleck wins Cat 4 KOM prime... Smile

Sagan today. There is just no other possibility. Even if OPQS are going to be the ones to bring it back together.
gerry12ie

Watched the highlights of yesterday again tonight and was struck by how all the riders looked so distressed when they crossed the line ... except Mancebo - who was sprinting Rolling Eyes
Biosphere

Just tuned in for the inevitable sprint. Would be nice to see someone other than the seemingly inevitable win it.

So is the live coverage of this the reason why Giro highlight seekers are having to go without?
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
Just tuned in for the inevitable sprint. Would be nice to see someone other than the seemingly inevitable win it.

So is the live coverage of this the reason why Giro highlight seekers are having to go without?


I guess so but I have a feeling there is probably something in the rights that Sky have that precludes Eurosport showing their highlights before Sky.  It would follow then that the live broadcast of California takes precedence over the Giro highlights.
Biosphere

I hadn't considered the Sky TV aspect. There must be something in that. I see that tomorrow my live ES Giro coverage is being bumped in favour of the Tour of Norway. Interesting priority  Confused

Meanwhile Sagan wins a sprint (admittedly in an impressive manner) and sun expected to rise in the East.
HuwB

Well, the version of Eurosport I had on, last night (not sure which it was) had Giro highlights until 10-30pm.
Surprised your version is bumping the Giro for Norway, Bio.

Anyhow, Sagan won, but he was all over the road. Came right across the front of Meersman and stopped his sprint.
Farrar was finishing the fastest, but is just too polite for a sprinter, on and off the gas, no pushing or line changing. Eventually a gap opened, but too late.
mr shifter

Well I'm getting (from 3 places) for tonight on British ES in UK time

21.15 - 22.15  Tour of Norway Stage 1 Fredrikstad - Sarpsborg

22.15 - 23.45  Tour of California LIVE Stage 4 (Santa's) Clarita - Barbara

23 45 - 00.30 Giro Stage 11
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
I hadn't considered the Sky TV aspect. There must be something in that. I see that tomorrow my live ES Giro coverage is being bumped in favour of the Tour of Norway. Interesting priority  Confused

Meanwhile Sagan wins a sprint (admittedly in an impressive manner) and sun expected to rise in the East.


Well, how it worked was thus.
British Eurosport was the only one to have the Giro on 1.
However, they had girlie tennis all afternoon on 2.
Highlights of Norway as per Mr S's post.
ALL the other versions of Eurosport ran with Norway on 1
and the full Giro coverage on 2.
I know which I would prefer. Wink

Having said that, while Norway delivered quantity, (I'm currently watching my live recording) the camera work left a lot to de desired.
Heli shots looked like ants, even on big screen tv.

Anyhow, Sagan service resumes soon.
kathy

Having lost ES on analog, my provider renegging on ES coverage in Spain, and Canal+ no longer having the option, I have settled for ES player, which is then relayed to the TV.  Why didn't I do this before?  only €3.90 a month!  And I can watch it with delay, get ES1 and ES" etc.  Can also choose audio language.
Bartali

kathy wrote:
 Can also choose audio language.
I never new about that ... !  Good to know.
gerry12ie

No ES coverage of Norway tonight but instead extended coverage of Sailing cheers
HuwB

Hey, Norway was great in the end.
Perfect finish for EBH, perfect lead out from Luke Rowe and he still managed to finish second. Embarassed

Another long sitting in the California sun, tonight.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
 . . . ALL the other versions of Eurosport ran with Norway on 1 and the full Giro coverage on 2 . . . .


Exactly. I don't get ES2 though. ES1 is only my backup anyway, as I tend to watch RAI3 live and switch to ES1 when the ad breaks come so I don't get interrupted coverage. I used to do it the other way and tell Mrs. I was practiscing my language skills Wink, but as you noted ES is ad infested.

gerry12ie wrote:
No ES coverage of Norway tonight but instead extended coverage of Sailing cheers


I left my Dad watching German ES (and he doesn't speak a word Smile ) waiting for some cycling to come on and instead he got sailing and schedule stuffing with McQuaid promoting the Tour of Azerbaijan and Desailly doing an extended advert for that sporting cult place Smile He gave up when California came on and it was 76km to go. I am giving up too for the night. Busy day today.

Profile for the night owls

Santa Clarita to Santa Barbara
SAP

Tyler Farrar won the sprint.
Boogerd_Fan

I'm a big Sagan fan as you know, but even I fell asleep waiting for that procession to end... 5th place...hmm Sad
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I'm a big Sagan fan as you know, but even I fell asleep waiting for that procession to end... 5th place...hmm Sad


+1.
Woke up for the final 5kms.
Good to see Tyler Farrar finally break his
long term duck.
First win since Colorado, last year?
Bartali

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
I'm a big Sagan fan as you know ...


I hadn't guessed Smile Smile
HuwB

Yay! Thomas de Gendt in the break of the day.
HuwB

We have echelons and a mainly WT group of 16 have the GC leader in trouble.
kathy

I seem to have KOD'd Mancebo today Wink
HuwB

A Jens Voigt ambush.
Matthews pips Sagan for second?

Well, maybe not.
Farrar and Hushovd beat them both.
Didn't look like it from head on.
ventoux

HuwB wrote:
A Jens Voigt ambush.
Matthews pips Sagan for second?

Well, maybe not.
Farrar and Hushovd beat them both.
Didn't look like it from head on.


Just watched the highlights (fell asleep with 10k to go last night...  Embarassed  ) - I thought Sagan had it too....
Bartali

First stage I watched yesterday.  Seemed like they were going through the motions.  Fair play to JV, but I'd be surprised if he could still get away with that in, dare I say, an 'important' race.  Of course, JV is hughely popular over there in the US .... so very good for the sponsors etc.

What is it that Mr S always reminds us of ...
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
First stage I watched yesterday.  Seemed like they were going through the motions.  Fair play to JV, but I'd be surprised if he could still get away with that in, dare I say, an 'important' race.  Of course, JV is hughely popular over there in the US .... so very good for the sponsors etc.

What is it that Mr S always reminds us of ...



Every ToC i can remember has featured a JV solo escape for the win... I guess its a tradition! Very Happy
Fontfroide

No idea how that Amgen site works, but while the riders were riding the last few hundred metres, I already knew their time on the left column of the page.  Delayed broadcast,but up to date standings.  

Great pictures though.  Wish we could have that all the time, those of poor folks us watching on the computer.
ventoux

Fontfroide wrote:
No idea how that Amgen site works, but while the riders were riding the last few hundred metres, I already knew their time on the left column of the page.  Delayed broadcast,but up to date standings.  

Great pictures though.  Wish we could have that all the time, those of poor folks us watching on the computer.


I think (and I could be wrong) that there will be something similar for Le Tour... seems the feed is from "tour tracker", and according to their website hey'll be covering that too....  I suspect Huw B could give us the definitive, he seems to understand all this stuff....
Biosphere

Started early as it's a Sunday or something. Remember the same happening previous years but I always forget until it's too late to FP Rolling Eyes
HuwB

Yes, the tracker is live with less than 60kms to go.
Eurosport not due for 20 minutes.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
First stage I watched yesterday.  Seemed like they were going through the motions.  Fair play to JV, but I'd be surprised if he could still get away with that in, dare I say, an 'important' race.  Of course, JV is hughely popular over there in the US .... so very good for the sponsors etc.

What is it that Mr S always reminds us of ...
Money, mi dear.

I too was engrossed with the Giro, that I missed the FP.
Biosphere

Looks like Sagan wants it today.
Nolte

mr shifter wrote:
Bartali wrote:
First stage I watched yesterday.  Seemed like they were going through the motions.  Fair play to JV, but I'd be surprised if he could still get away with that in, dare I say, an 'important' race.  Of course, JV is hughely popular over there in the US .... so very good for the sponsors etc.

What is it that Mr S always reminds us of ...
Money, mi dear.

I too was engrossed with the Giro, that I missed the FP.


dang, that cost whoever picked daniel schorn 6 points Very Happy
mazda

So has TJ done enough to get the nod at the Tour ?

To my mind he has - both climbing and TT were top notch.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
So has TJ done enough to get the nod at the Tour ?

To my mind he has - both climbing and TT were top notch.


But in fairness to Evans, he's currently a solid second at a difficult Giro. Neither himself or TvG could claim to be realistic prospects of the overall win, yet both could claim to be a podium prospect. I suspect Evans will get the nod due to seniority.
mazda

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID...form-into-the-Tour-de-Suisse.aspx

A pretty strong squad.

More inkling that BMC may back TJ ?

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