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Fontfroide

Tour of Britain?

Just in case anyone is interested.
Bartali

Not really ... I've finished with the road.
Fontfroide

Surely only watching.  You DO intend to ride on it, non?  Wink

I would say "there there, it's not so bad", but of course it might be.  We just don't know for sure.  Anyway, you liked a few stages of the Vuelta, I remember you did.
MAILLOT JAUNE

Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

Which is why you should be interested in the ToB - it's not as if it's a proper road race, now, is it??????  Wink
gerry12ie

Damn, I thought Bennett had timed that perfectly but Ciolek simply too strong.  Great stage to watch and wonderfully radio free.
Nolte

yes, i was dissapointed too.

but i am looking at the gc and need some help

per cyclingnews on sunday: bennett is 10 seconds behind in  67th
per cyclingnews for mondays stage: bennett is 7:25 down, still in 67th position.

have cyclingnews messed up?
gerry12ie

Hmmm...

Postman Sam was 100th on GC yesterday @ 10" but TOB website gives him at 67th on GC today @ 7' 25" as you say Shocked




Don't make sense
Bartali

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

Which is why you should be interested in the ToB - it's not as if it's a proper road race, now, is it??????  Wink


Smile Smile

FF ... I'll still ride on it, just not watch it until I deem appropriate steps have been made to clean it up.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

I doubt that very much.

We have the end of season Italian Cycle Race Festivities to look forward to
SEP-21 Memorial Marco Pantani ITA 1.1 Europe
SEP-24 Ruota d'Oro - GP Festa del Perdono ITA 1.2 Europe
SEP-28 Franco Ballerini Day ITA 1.1 Europe      
SEP-29 World Elite Championship UCI  RR  World   ITA
OCT-02 Milano-Torino ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-03 Giro del Piemonte ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-06 Giro di Lombardia ITA PT UCI World
OCT-10 Gran Premio Città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini ITA 1.1
OCT-12 Giro dell'Emilia ITA 1.HC Europe

I too was depressed with the racing last week and the feeling that Lance Armstrong's Ghost was alive and well.
mr shifter

Will Wiggins be sleeping at home in his own bed tonight. ?
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:


FF ... I'll still ride on it, just not watch it until I deem appropriate steps have been made to clean it up.


Yeah, I bet you won't watch one minute of the Worlds and certainly not Lombardy.  Yeah right.

We have to be a bit careful here.  I would say that they (whoever they are) will NEVER clean up the bike racing scene, nor the drinking and driving scene, nor the thieves in financial sector, nor the cheating husbands (or wives), nor the lying politicians …..  Just never do it.  So it would be foolish to give it all up on account of what has to be fewer and fewer cheats.  

But … I know one or two people who have given up cycling watching altogether though.  I can actually understand it.  But they never really give up cycling, just the spectacles.  Which I do see as fair enough.
Bartali

mr shifter wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

I doubt that very much.

We have the end of season Italian Cycle Race Festivities to look forward to
SEP-21 Memorial Marco Pantani ITA 1.1 Europe
SEP-24 Ruota d'Oro - GP Festa del Perdono ITA 1.2 Europe
SEP-28 Franco Ballerini Day ITA 1.1 Europe      
SEP-29 World Elite Championship UCI  RR  World   ITA
OCT-02 Milano-Torino ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-03 Giro del Piemonte ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-06 Giro di Lombardia ITA PT UCI World
OCT-10 Gran Premio Città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini ITA 1.1
OCT-12 Giro dell'Emilia ITA 1.HC Europe


You tease ..... Wink
MrsSR

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

Which is why you should be interested in the ToB - it's not as if it's a proper road race, now, is it??????  Wink

Day off today so I watched some of the stage live. 25% gradient in that weather? I don't know about it being a proper road race but it's definitely proper hard.  Shocked
berck

Bartali wrote:
mr shifter wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

I doubt that very much.

We have the end of season Italian Cycle Race Festivities to look forward to
SEP-21 Memorial Marco Pantani ITA 1.1 Europe
SEP-24 Ruota d'Oro - GP Festa del Perdono ITA 1.2 Europe
SEP-28 Franco Ballerini Day ITA 1.1 Europe      
SEP-29 World Elite Championship UCI  RR  World   ITA
OCT-02 Milano-Torino ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-03 Giro del Piemonte ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-06 Giro di Lombardia ITA PT UCI World
OCT-10 Gran Premio Città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini ITA 1.1
OCT-12 Giro dell'Emilia ITA 1.HC Europe


You tease ..... Wink


I see Mr S is pulling on Bartali's Italian strings Wink
Beasley

The Tour of (the west coast of) Britain, you mean? Wink
gerry12ie

TOB seem to have updated yesterday's placings.  Bennett finished last but one on Sunday - over seven minutes down...

Sunday's GC



Slapshot 3

Same as every other "tour".....an waste when you see some of the roads they could use!!
HuwB

mr shifter wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Not really ... I've finished with the road.

I doubt that very much.

We have the end of season Italian Cycle Race Festivities to look forward to
SEP-21 Memorial Marco Pantani ITA 1.1 Europe
SEP-24 Ruota d'Oro - GP Festa del Perdono ITA 1.2 Europe
SEP-28 Franco Ballerini Day ITA 1.1 Europe      
SEP-29 World Elite Championship UCI  RR  World   ITA
OCT-02 Milano-Torino ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-03 Giro del Piemonte ITA 1.HC Europe
OCT-06 Giro di Lombardia ITA PT UCI World
OCT-10 Gran Premio Città di Peccioli - Coppa Sabatini ITA 1.1
OCT-12 Giro dell'Emilia ITA 1.HC Europe

I too was depressed with the racing last week and the feeling that Lance Armstrong's Ghost was alive and well.


Already cancelled. Italian calendar has suffered quite a cull, this season.
Lots of races getting the economic axe.
Another blow for Bartali.

SS: I agree. The Caerphilly stage could be so much harder, but again they choose the safe, Storey Arms route.
mr shifter

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mr shifter

Beasley wrote:
The Tour of (the west coast of) Britain, you mean? Wink

Just be happy there is a race around GB and motorists have to give way.
I love the town Center races for the same reason.

Even the Police get some education.
HuwB

But for the final 10kms, a terminally dull stage controlled by Sky.
Hardly surprising with Wiggins in charge of the GC.
Garmin managed a quick ruffling of his feathers, but that was about it.
Cav wins the scripted sprint from Viviani, who almost manged to deck von Hoff, after the line.
SlowRower

HuwB wrote:
But for the final 10kms, a terminally dull stage controlled by Sky.
Hardly surprising with Wiggins in charge of the GC.
Garmin managed a quick ruffling of his feathers, but that was about it.
Cav wins the scripted sprint from Viviani, who almost manged to deck von Hoff, after the line.


Just about perfect for the target TV market, i.e. those watching the highlights in the UK.

- More than enough airtime to cover all the action, with time left over for a bit of punditry and interviews

- Cav wins

- Wiggo still leads

- A bit of controversy
Nolte

Sam Bennett
gerry12ie

Postman Sam cant be too far away from a big move methinks...
Fontfroide

Nobody watching today.  All of Farnham were there, but none of us?

To help you catch up, there is a break, they will be caught and there will be a sprint.  Probably.
JohnD

I was at the feed zone, very strange having the rolling road closures - 20 motorcyles must have passed us to implement it.  Sky rider chucked a full bidon of gatorade under my wheels and the peleton looked very small and passed very quickly.  Lots of people scouring the roadside for goodies as i cycled home - 25 mile round trip so got a good ride in too.
Fontfroide

Just one addition, might be worth watching the last few metres.  Cav moved Viviani over to the rougher bricks on the side of the road, which he knew about from last year.  Viviani was standing up and skittered about on the rough bricks, and Cav won by a bit.  Wily and experienced.
HuwB

Petacchi awesome lead out. Cav, not so awesome; Viviani far quicker and then he hit the rough patch.
I watched the rugby this afternoon and used Ffwd to watch this, yet another procession.
Haytor yesterday, the one bit of sunshine in this otherwise dull, wet squib.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Petacchi awesome lead out. Cav, not so awesome; Viviani far quicker and then he hit the rough patch.


It is not Viviani who "hit the rough patch".  In the interview on ITV4 Cav said he knew there was a rough patch and moved him over onto it.   So I would not say Cav was so bad.  Quite good and quite clever actually.  What the old guys do to the young ones, who don't know the course.
Bartali

A year ago he wouldn't have had to ...
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
A year ago he wouldn't have had to ...


A good point.  But he did get left by Pettachi much further from the line than usual or normal, and it seemed slightly uphill.  Neither are that good for Cav.  

But I guess he might be slowing down a bit.  Probably never beat Merckx's record now.  And more young fast guys coming up all the time.  A good time for sprinters.

We will just have to wait and see.  He did move Viviani over and it was not by accident.  He also had a little second kick in the last metres which you can see and which he claimed he had on the day.
TNG

Fontfroide wrote:


.....and it seemed slightly uphill.


Probably a bit steeper than it looked on the TV. It certainly feels that way whenever I get dragged to Guildford for shopping!

This is looking up towards the finish from about one third of the way up the High Street, the overhanging clock is at about two-thirds, at which point it starts to level out a bit.


Click to see full size image

This next one is taken from roughly the same spot, but looking back down the street from whence they came. Probably gives you a better idea of the initial gradient.


Click to see full size image
Fontfroide

Nice shots.  Tends to explain why Cav did not do quite a well as usual, he does not seem to like uphill sprints that much.
SlowRower

All was well today, with Cav winning at a canter and Wiggo taking the coveted gold jersey overall.

Will Froome ride the ToB next year to emulate Wiggo's Tour/ToB double?
mazda

TNG wrote:
Probably a bit steeper than it looked on the TV. It certainly feels that way whenever I get dragged to Guildford for shopping!

This is looking up towards the finish from about one third of the way up the High Street, the overhanging clock is at about two-thirds, at which point it starts to level out a bit.


Click to see full size image


Cav went rather early.
As you say the hill is steep enough, so was surprised when I saw the replay that he had enough left in the tank to go again and hold off Viviani.

In the first picture, looking uphill, on the right just past Gap, you can see a blue box like a wiring/comms box (or is it a bin ? I don't recall it being a bin).
That is where my daughter stood to watch the finish.

Don't know what she made of it all - the crowd was making a royal racket every time a motorbike came by !
When we got home and were having supper in front of the TV she said she wanted to do that when she grows up.
MAILLOT JAUNE

We'll look out for Mini Mazda in a few years time!
mr shifter

It's a long time since I've been up or down that hill as it's now one way.

The club run sprint was always to the clock coming from Godalming (tea) to South London via Epsom.
Oh we had raced a Pompey Road 25 at 7 in the morning.
Happy days.

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