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Tour de Suisse 2014

We should kick this off really Smile

Today's profile. Once again they put big mountains in the middle of the stage. I suspect it will be quietish at the finish today as sporting attention will be elsewhere.



mr shifter wrote:
I presume you have the TOS book ?
Please tell me the TOS is going up the "Old Road" of the Gotthard Pass. ?
The New road will only be tempo and that's no good for the Furka.


I haven't got one yet. They tend to only have them available in the start/finish towns. So the short answer is I don't know. Coverage goes live when the crest the Grimsel, so I suspect we will never know Wink
mr shifter

At the moment 5 riders are climbing the Furkapass with 5mins 20secs lead.

DEIGNAN Philip 26 42 Team Sky
WARBASSE Lawrence 103 67 BMC Racing Team
MEYER Cameron 46 97 Orica GreenEDGE
THURAU Bjorn 166 178 Team Europcar
HOLLENSTEIN Reto 37 185 IAM Cycling
HuwB

Pozzovivo, after his stunning ITT yesterday, fails to take the start today, due to fever and sickness.
Fortunately, he doesn't ride for Sky. Razz

Break just hold on for Cam Meyer to take the stage.
Once again, Cannondale just fail to pull it back for Sagan to take the sprint. ( 4th, this time)
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Pozzovivo, after his stunning ITT yesterday, fails to take the start today, due to fever and sickness. Fortunately, he doesn't ride for Sky.


Nevertheless both his ITT and subsequent withdrawal caused me to raise an eyebrow!
Nolte

good highlights of the stage on eurosport now Wink
i think it has shown longer of them talking afterwards than of the actual stage

I think the adverts in the middle of the coverage also was longer than the highlights of the stage
HuwB

Nolte wrote:
good highlights of the stage on eurosport now Wink
i think it has shown longer of them talking afterwards than of the actual stage

I think the adverts in the middle of the coverage also was longer than the highlights of the stage


Same with the early live coverage: 2 minutes of the race, 3 minutes plus on the (now noticeably longer) ad breaks.
It's something that really annoys me about Sky; the fact that we pay to get these adverts. Some shows have 6 or 7 minutes each slot.
Few other European ppv providers have any ad breaks and if they do, they are short.

A pretty uneventful stage today, but for Wiggins sitting down in road with a lap to go.
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Pozzovivo, after his stunning ITT yesterday, fails to take the start today, due to fever and sickness. Fortunately, he doesn't ride for Sky.


Nevertheless both his ITT and subsequent withdrawal caused me to raise an eyebrow!


I certainly raised an eyebrow, as I put him on my team for Velogame, and he quits after one ride.  Hope he has a very good excuse and NOT of the kind Bartali is thinking about.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:

A pretty uneventful stage today, but for Wiggins sitting down in road with a lap to go.


He lost 11.55 today.  Anyone have any idea what that was all about?  I thought he was going to prove himself worthy of a Tour place and cause a bit more grief.   Sounds like he … well what DOES it sound like?  Whoever knows more than I do, would they please share it.  What is going on?
Fontfroide

Was the crash on TV, he crashed, right?
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
Was the crash on TV, he crashed, right?


Not caught by cameras.
He crashed with CCC rider. Sat on the ground for ages. Got up and tootled off.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Was the crash on TV, he crashed, right?


Not caught by cameras.
He crashed with CCC rider. Sat on the ground for ages. Got up and tootled off.


So guess all that is left for him to do during this race is to try really hard one day to win a stage.  Go out with a burst of glory.  And return to the track to try to make an honest living for the immense salary he is being paid, or maybe just quit the whole thing.  What is with him?  Got any scuttlebut you can pass on?  Betancur in Colombia, doing something or other (I once had CMV, not a picnic for sure, I admit) without any hard evidence shown to anyone, Wiggo kind of fading out or the picture with a horrible ITT and sulking on the road, next thing Contador will find a new girlfriend and quit cycling and Froome will have a nervous breakdown when he sees a pothole.  Oh yeah, Pozzovivo turns in a super ITT and then quits the race.
Fontfroide

Oops, Bradley has gone home to rest for 24 hours and then win the UK ITT Champs.  Whoopee.
mazda

FF, I get the impression that you and Sir Brad are not best buddies.

At least you don't have to put up with the British media.
Over here he is the figurehead of our summer 2012 sporting ascension and as such is flawless.
HuwB

Cav chuted by Goss, who was chuted by Danny van Poppel allowing my fp Modolo to waltz home to victory. Smile
Sagan is rapidly becoming this seasons JJ Rojas. Cool
Bartali

Wiggins riding towards the back when he crashed ... ill and a crash, but lets face it his head is just not in it and he was NEVER going to go to the Tour.  I thought a good PR showing (though he pissed of Thomas) and a tailor made California might help ... but I think, for his own peace of mind, he should go back to the track.

I know he's a national treasure, but he does seem to make a habit of cheesing off team mates (though Froome doesn't help)
mr shifter

Crazy Finish.
They have some weird organisers these days.
What with starting with a Queen Stage that would fizzle out for a flat finish after the mountains would be ridden at tempo pace - rubbish.

It was the 4th big race of the year and I've been there when it was 10 days.
It seems to have lost that honour after the outstanding parcours last week.
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
I know he's a national treasure, but he does seem to make a habit of cheesing off team mates (though Froome doesn't help)


It's quite hard work being a Wiggo fan at the moment, it must be said.

I guess there's a lot gone on behind the scenes post Tour of California. He was initially announced as leader for the Tour de Suisse, so having Henao dropped in as leader after not racing for months was either the final nail in the coffin or confirmation that Wiggo has already signed for someone else next year.

Either way, one would have thought that even if it wasn't going to get him selected for the Tour, riding to his best in the Tour de Suisse would be a good plan, as you're only as good as your last race, and this may be his last stage race! If a massive virus takes out half the Sky Tour squad next week, even I wouldn't pick Wiggo now.
mr shifter

SlowRower wrote:

It's quite hard work being a Wiggo fan at the moment, it must be said.

I guess there's a lot gone on behind the scenes post Tour of California. He was initially announced as leader for the Tour de Suisse, so having Henao dropped in as leader after not racing for months was either the final nail in the coffin or confirmation that Wiggo has already signed for someone else next year.


I think it time you rode down the road with some "Wensleydale Cheese" as a reason to ask him what's going on. ?     Very Happy
SlowRower

mr shifter wrote:
SlowRower wrote:

It's quite hard work being a Wiggo fan at the moment, it must be said.

I guess there's a lot gone on behind the scenes post Tour of California. He was initially announced as leader for the Tour de Suisse, so having Henao dropped in as leader after not racing for months was either the final nail in the coffin or confirmation that Wiggo has already signed for someone else next year.


I think it time you rode down the road with some "Wensleydale Cheese" as a reason to ask him what's going on. ?     Very Happy


Tempting, but it would mean crossing the border into Lancashire, which is not allowed except in extreme circumstances.  Very Happy
Bartali

... but certainly more acceptable than letting that lot across the border into 'God's own county'! Smile
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
... but certainly more acceptable than letting that lot across the border into 'God's own county'! Smile


I understand that for the Grand Depart weekend, everyone, including Lancastrians and Chris Froome is welcome in Yorkshire. Reports are that there is enough beer stockpiled to keep even Wiggo "fuelled" if he comes to watch. But once the beer's gone, the foreigners can sod off home.  Very Happy
mr shifter

mr shifter wrote:
SlowRower wrote:


I think it time you rode down the road with some "Wensleydale Cheese" as a reason to ask him what's going on. ?     Very Happy

Tempting, but it would mean crossing the border into Lancashire, which is not allowed except in extreme circumstances.  Very Happy
That's OK, then send Gromit with the cheese to find out.


Bartali wrote:

but certainly more acceptable than letting that lot across the border into 'God's own county'! Smile
This one does raise a smile as I remember 50 years ago the Tyke's going on Day trips to Blackpool in charabanc's.
Then on their return and just after they got back to "God's own Country" they would stop in Guiseley for their "Fish & Chips" (with or without Mushy Peas) at Harry Ramsden's. (Known at that time as the Biggest "Fish & Chip" Shop in the World)
He had a big Car Park to accommodate the Charabanc's with a dozen or so in there at a time.
Myself (as an Engineer) working in Shipley, I did drive over one evening to see the "Lights" and during that week I ate at Harry's.

Remember - Ilkley moor bar tat
HuwB

Henao's season lasts 5 days.
Hit by a car while on the TT course recon.
Broken knee.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...ashes-during-tour-de-suisse-recon
Bartali

Crazy ... hope he's okay!!

Re the ITT ... shouldn't Dowsett have done a lot better? Perhaps taking it easy to play support in the mountains?
Bartali

SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
... but certainly more acceptable than letting that lot across the border into 'God's own county'! Smile


I understand that for the Grand Depart weekend, everyone, including Lancastrians and Chris Froome is welcome in Yorkshire. Reports are that there is enough beer stockpiled to keep even Wiggo "fuelled" if he comes to watch. But once the beer's gone, the foreigners can sod off home.  Very Happy


They're not welcome if they are wearing all those bright colours and funny helmets.  In Yorkshire we wear proper caps ... flat caps made of t'cloth from uddersfield!

Mr S - happy days!!  Do you remember Ellis Briggs bike shop.  That was in Shipley wasn't it?
berck

HuwB wrote:
Henao's season lasts 5 days.
Hit by a car while on the TT course recon.
Broken knee.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/s...ashes-during-tour-de-suisse-recon


Wow, not very good luck. I hope he will recover well. Was he suppose to be on their Tour team?
MAILLOT JAUNE

Bart, I was talking to some folk from Yorkshire, who I met when skiing, and was trying to remember the Ellis Briggs shop. I used to live in Bradford back in the 90's (that's 1990's not 1890's). There was also another well known bike shop in Huddersfield.... Good memories.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:


They're not welcome if they are wearing all those bright colours and funny helmets.  In Yorkshire we wear proper caps ... flat caps made of t'cloth from uddersfield!

Mr S - happy days!!  Do you remember Ellis Briggs bike shop.  That was in Shipley wasn't it?

In those early days I had my accommodations booked for me and I had to stay in B&B near Guiseley. That means I never walked around Shipley or found E. B.
I had an accident in there and remember being driven to Bradford Royal Infirmary to be stitched up.
I made sure I had more input into where I stayed and the next time in the area it was the Midland Hotel in Bradford and later it was always a little Hotel in it's own grounds in Bingley.

I must mention cloth being made in Heckmondwike & Cleckheaton and Cloth Caps with Corduroy Shorts & Trousers.??

Be Lucky
Bartali

MJ - I don't remember a bike shop in Huddersfield, tho I dare say there were several back in the day.  I was a fan of Butterworths in Sheffield ... the one at Hillsborough.

Mr S - Corduroy shorts ... they were the days.  Proper cloth from natural fibres ... not like this foreign lycra stuff. Wink
MAILLOT JAUNE

Bartali wrote:
MJ - I don't remember a bike shop in Huddersfield, tho I dare say there were several back in the day.  I was a fan of Butterworths in Sheffield ... the one at Hillsborough.

Mr S - Corduroy shorts ... they were the days.  Proper cloth from natural fibres ... not like this foreign lycra stuff. Wink

Maybe my memory is failing me....
I used to live in Cleckheaton!
mr shifter

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
Bartali wrote:
 I was a fan of Butterworths in Sheffield ... the one at Hillsborough.

Mr S - Corduroy shorts ... they were the days.  Proper cloth from natural fibres ... not like this foreign lycra stuff. Wink

Maybe my memory is failing me....
I used to live in Cleckheaton!
Did you understand them with their peculiar accents. I had trouble at first until a couple of the lads did the translations.
Clecky is in a valley I seem to remember. ?

Barti - is that when the Trams ran past the stadium.
Bartali

Smile ... not when i was little.  The trams had gone by then, but now they are back of course.
Fontfroide

I guess the Tour de Suisse didn't grab many people, if we ended up talking about trams and bike shops in Northern England.  Well, to be honest, it never grabbed me, even though there was some racing.

Two more weeks!
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
I guess the Tour de Suisse didn't grab many people, if we ended up talking about trams and bike shops in Northern England.  Well, to be honest, it never grabbed me, even though there was some racing.

Two more weeks!


Didn't get to see the final stage until this evening.
Nice team tactics today, perfectly executed.
Individual action, not so great, though.

Big cycling week in Abergavenny for me.
Starts with the Pantani film, tomorrow
and the hill climb event on Tuesday.
Boogerd_Fan

Belkin lads were great today.
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Bartali wrote:
... but certainly more acceptable than letting that lot across the border into 'God's own county'! Smile


I understand that for the Grand Depart weekend, everyone, including Lancastrians and Chris Froome is welcome in Yorkshire. Reports are that there is enough beer stockpiled to keep even Wiggo "fuelled" if he comes to watch. But once the beer's gone, the foreigners can sod off home.  Very Happy


They're not welcome if they are wearing all those bright colours and funny helmets.  In Yorkshire we wear proper caps ... flat caps made of t'cloth from uddersfield!

Mr S - happy days!!  Do you remember Ellis Briggs bike shop.  That was in Shipley wasn't it?


Vino like flat caps.  Vino like sound of corduroy shorts better.  Vino have problems with ferrets and Lycra.  Vino say just too snug...


mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:


Two more weeks!

What happens then ?
Another Bloody Stage Race I suppose. !
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:


Vino like flat caps.  Vino like sound of corduroy shorts better.  Vino have problems with ferrets and Lycra.  Vino say just too snug...




I thought you would show his Military Big Flat Hat.
You know the one that has the label of, "If you can't fight then wear a big hat"

However the hat you show looks like a USA Rounders hat or maybe Golfers.  Rolling Eyes
He didn't have corduroy on when I traveled with him in the lift a couple of times in a Liege hotel but he had Lycra on the next time I saw him on the Sunday.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
I guess the Tour de Suisse didn't grab many people, if we ended up talking about trams and bike shops in Northern England.  Well, to be honest, it never grabbed me, even though there was some racing.


I thought it was quite good that the thread for a warm up race for Le Tour ended up as a warm up thread for Le Tour Wink The race improved a bit towards the end with the last 3 days moving things around a bit and it not being settled until the last km or two.

Anyway, some photos of my third and probably final big race outing this year. Lots and lots of photos over the three days I went, so narrowed down to include all the winners during the week and then some others.

Was at the sprint stage on Wednesday where there was the big pile up. It was a stupid run in they organised. I am surprised that there is enough money in taking photos to justify having that many photographers on the finish line for a sprinters stage of a race that degenerates into a discussion about Yorkshire. The organising person with the blue rope tied on to the barriers and hemming them in made me laugh. Modolo does the business and Costa gets word of mission accomplished.


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Headed to the time trial on Friday and got there shortly before Cancellara set off down the ramp and then walked a bit along the course to get away from barriers and so on. Meyer, Roy, Trentin and Chavas taking in the countryside.


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Headed back towards the finish line then and had a bit of a play around with camera trying to capture just how fast TT bikes go. IMO, you never get such a good feel for it on TV . Kennaugh, Cattaneo and Dumoulin in the last corner. Dumoulin was especially fast there.


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Saturday morning in Delémont was very different atmosphere. Everyone was focussed and partitioned away at  the ITT, whereas very relaxed and mingling with crowds in the morning sunshine here. Pinot does some selfies for a fan, whilst the bad boys of the peloton muster up a smile.


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Generally lots of seemingly cheery people waiting to start the race - Cancellara, Tosatto, Dennis and Gené - with one of the notable exceptions being Rebellin who didn't interact with anyone and just stared impassively ahead. Quite a stark contrats and didn't look like a man who should be racing anymore (or wanted to).


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gerry12ie

Ambassador Biosphere you are spoiling us! Great pics again. Did you blag a press pass or what?
I saw very little of the race and it generally fails to capture too much of my imagination although it does fall at my busiest time of the year. It certainly didn't come anywhere near the Dauphine in terms of exciting racing and I did feel a bit for Martin who went way out of his comfort zone (as a genuine racer should). Still, it's nice to see the WC shake off the traditional curse and take a good win.
I guess the Yorkshire talk underlines the TDF expectations being particularly high this year. I wonder will Froome be a bit rattled by the recent TUE rumblings? I don't think his other halfs twitter outbursts at the UCI and WADA will make for a relaxed prep for him and Sky either...
Speaking of Twitter, any idea what's behind the Henderson/Cavendish spat?
berck

Great shots Bio! You must have a nice camera setup.
gerry12ie

This is the best I could come up with, Gerry... Very Happy

http://www.radiosport.co.nz/news/...-cavendish-clashes-with-henderson

It must be nearly July, the sprinters are starting to rut.
Fontfroide

Intriguing footage.  Stage 5 Tour de Suisse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE97iUvSHk0
Biosphere

That on bike footage is intense Shocked

I do have a good camera setup Berck Smile Mainly trying to get good at it for photos of the kids as they grow up. I was a full blown civilian Gerry. Start of stages are generally very relaxed and open.

gerry12ie wrote:
This is the best I could come up with, Gerry... Very Happy

http://www.radiosport.co.nz/news/...-cavendish-clashes-with-henderson

It must be nearly July, the sprinters are starting to rut.


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Slapshot 3

Biosphere wrote:
That on bike footage is intense Shocked

I do have a good camera setup Berck Smile Mainly trying to get good at it for photos of the kids as they grow up. I was a full blown civilian Gerry. Start of stages are generally very relaxed and open.


Having good kit is only a small bit of it, knowing your equipment to get the best out of it helps too but the most important part is having the eye to see and compose a good shot quickly..... ;0)
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:

Mr S - happy days!!  Do you remember Ellis Briggs bike shop.  That was in Shipley wasn't it?

Telegraph Article "Going Solo with Ken Russell" wrote:

His oldest brother, Harry, earned slightly more, as a bicycle mechanic at Ellis-Briggs Cycles in the nearby mill town of Shipley. The shop had opened in 1936, founded by two Leeds businessmen, Thomas Briggs and his brother-in-law Leonard Ellis,

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