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Biosphere

Tour de Suisse: 13th - 21st June 2015

I FP this race is going to be a dull procession compared to this week.

The sister in law works in Rotkreuz and they are parking the Team Buses at her place of work for the weekend. She works for Roche of Continuous Erythropoietin Receptor Activator fame, so it will be no trouble for them to pop out for supplies tomorrow Wink

Anyway, FPs are here and awaiting first picks by 15:20 Swiss time.

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Nolte

Route reminds me of the year 2009 when cancellara won ahead of tony martin

what is solden climb like?
Biosphere

Nolte wrote:
. . . what is solden climb like?


Something like 10km at 10%. Were it not for that, methinks the likes of a Cancellara or a Dumoulin would have been in with a GC shot.
HuwB

Nolte wrote:
Route reminds me of the year 2009 when cancellara won ahead of tony martin

what is solden climb like?


The Rettenbachferner? Sort of like..............er..........somewhere between the Austrian Mortirolo and the Zoncolan. Wink
Tour of Germany 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhu51WWSkb0

It's 13.8kms at 10.8% average.
Mrs John Murphy

After the prologue

1 DUMOULIN Tom 85 TGA 05:41
2 *CANCELLARA Fabian 11 TFR 02
3 BRANDLE Matthias 27 IAM 04
4 SAGAN Peter 41 TCS 05
5 *MORABITO Steve 136 FDJ ST
6 VAN AVERMAET Greg 37 BMC ST
7 MEYER Cameron 108 OGE 06
8 IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI Jon 114 MOV ST
9 MALORI Adriano 116 MOV ST
10 THOMAS Geraint 52 SKY 07
HuwB

Excellent dessert to the Dauphine main course.
Geraint looking very strong as does Birdsong; flying come Le Tour no doubt.

Such tight marking of every attack until Duresk simply slips off the front, insight of the line.
Funny really.
Biosphere

Biosphere wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Nice Bio, he's getting a very cool indoctrination.  Better than the Jesuits... Wink


I'm more worried about precedents than indoctrination. The Mrs. might suggest I take him to everything from now on Wink


I may be painting myself into a corner, but the Mrs was working yesterday so there was nothing for it but to bring both of them along! Anyway, I didn't actually see that much of men on bikes as we were busy trying to win "prizes" in the start village. The extra hands were useful all the bounty. Normally I would have moved around a lot more and walked some of the course. In the end I just left them in the shade for 20 mins whilst I tried not to knock any cyclists off their bikes. We were on our way back to the train with more or less half of the field to still come through. Which was fine as they were getting tired.

So, in the following order: A couple of chancers, Pinot, Degenkolb, Teunissen, Gilbert, Szmyd, Domont, Stybar, Chaves, Nordhaug, Breschel.


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MAILLOT JAUNE

Great shots Bio - why do mine never turn out like that? I either get the front wheel, the back wheel or the road!!!! How do you time it just right to get the rider in the frame?
Biosphere

MAILLOT JAUNE wrote:
How do you time it just right to get the rider in the frame?


Thanks. It mainly comes down to a camera that takes the photo when you push the button. I cant take too much of the credit on that score. And they are cropped by me too so they look better than the out of camera.
gerry12ie

Brilliant as usual - cheers
Biosphere

Tomorrow's revised stage. Not that it should change much.

Fontfroide

Polish commentary today.  Still, just need the names.
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
Polish commentary today.  Still, just need the names.

Moreno 2nd and Arredondo 4th behind Sagan. Wink
Fontfroide

Looks to me like Pinot is in pretty good shape.  I hope.
cadence

Biosphere wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
Nice Bio, he's getting a very cool indoctrination.  Better than the Jesuits... Wink


I'm more worried about precedents than indoctrination. The Mrs. might suggest I take him to everything from now on Wink


I may be painting myself into a corner, but the Mrs was working yesterday so there was nothing for it but to bring both of them along! Anyway, I didn't actually see that much of men on bikes as we were busy trying to win "prizes" in the start village. The extra hands were useful all the bounty. Normally I would have moved around a lot more and walked some of the course. In the end I just left them in the shade for 20 mins whilst I tried not to knock any cyclists off their bikes. We were on our way back to the train with more or less half of the field to still come through. Which was fine as they were getting tired.

So, in the following order: A couple of chancers, Pinot, Degenkolb, Teunissen, Gilbert, Szmyd, Domont, Stybar, Chaves, Nordhaug, Breschel.




Great pics and great timing on taking the photos....
mazda

Kristoff dropped.
Cav was dropped ages ago.
Dumoulin sprinting for, and winning, bonus seconds. Thomas got 1 second.
gerry12ie

You have to hand it to Greenedge.  They do their homework, target their stages and usually deliver.  It helps that Matthews is a hell of a finisher in the right conditions, but their return on those targeted stages is exceptional.  Two or three stages in the Tour might not be beyond them...

Kind of like a savvy Quickstep, but on half the budget.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
. . . Dumoulin sprinting for, and winning, bonus seconds . . .


Sagan did not look happy to miss out on win and consequently yellow. No chance after tomorrow. Saxo were having a big post race bash in the local castle - the "Schloss Schwarzenbach" that the cameras lingered on. Hairdryer treatment from Uncle Oleg beckons.
mazda

http://panocam.skiline.cc/rettenbach

Pretty high up, non ?
Can't have been that many higher finishes in the Grand Tours ?
mazda

Przemislaw Niemic (POL/LAM),
Gregory Rast (SUI/TFR),
Stefan Denifl (AUT/IAM),
Matthias Brändle (AUT/IAM),
Benjamin King (USA/TCG),
Thomas de Gendt (BEL/LCS),
Stefan Schumacher (GER/CCC),
Mirco Selvaggi (ITA/WGG)
are 8 minutes up the road.
Fontfroide

My nephew went to high school with Ben King.  They ate at the same pizza place in North Garden, Virginia.   

I felt the deep need to share this.  But actually for a new rider he is doing a very respectable job.
mazda

Gap below 5' as the final climb starts.
Fontfroide

Just tuned in, good reasons.  Shit, it might be that my niece's buddy might do well indeed.  Now the the other race.
HuwB

The slow motion slog that is the Rettenbachferner.

Pinot comes back to conquer the rest.
Thomas puts his Tiede time to good use.
Spilak shoots his load far too soon.
Birdsong left like a duck out of water.
Dumoulin surpasses them all by hauling his big frame up ahead of Tinkoff's super climber of 2014: Rafa Majka.
Remains in contention for the 38kms ITT that will settle this GC.
Fontfroide

I would like to stick my neck out and say today's stage of Suisse was a total classic high mountain stage.  I loved it for the last ten k.  Escape.  Attacks.  Riders dropped in bits and pieces shown with brilliant camerawork with motos, awesome mountain arena.  Gradulally it is just the "big guys" riding along.  Final consecration of emerging slightly quirky star.  Really BIG mountains.

I watched it with Polish commentary, the best I could do.  I have come to rather like the flow of Polish.  Nice sound to it.  But whatever, find that last 10k and take a hour or whatever out of your life.  Really is a very pleasurable story, unfolding with fine shots of it.

It did make me realise how beautiful the setting was, almost inhuman, but then I realised the noise of the machines really would ruin it for me.  I am more a slow cyclotourist who values silence.  Although it was quite a good spectacle.
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
The slow motion slog that is the Rettenbachferner.

Pinot comes back to conquer the rest.
Thomas puts his Tiede time to good use.
Spilak shoots his load far too soon.
Birdsong left like a duck out of water.
Dumoulin surpasses them all by hauling his big frame up ahead of Tinkoff's super climber of 2014: Rafa Majka.
Remains in contention for the 38kms ITT that will settle this GC.


Ooops.  I liked it more than you maybe.  Perhaps I am just in a good mood and I picked Pinot for the GC and like the young man as I have read about him.

The only thing really not so good about it was that the characters were not the best climbers on earth.  The field in the Tour should be higher quality.

But wasn't there a lot going on?  Various riders strewn everywhere.  The escape, the attacks.  None of this parading up a mountain with five guys in front, then four and eventually the leader attacks two k from the finish.

Might have been something I ate or drank.    Laughing
mazda

HuwB wrote:
The slow motion slog that is the Rettenbachferner.

Pinot comes back to conquer the rest.

Other than for horse racing duties, for the first time in my life I wish I had gone down the bookies, assuming I could find one who would have taken the bet.

I'm sure the Giro could make a stage involving Stelvio via Merano to the Rettenbach, although doing it in May would be nigh on impossible - or significantly in the lap of the gods at the very least.
gerry12ie

mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
The slow motion slog that is the Rettenbachferner.

Pinot comes back to conquer the rest.

Other than for horse racing duties, for the first time in my life I wish I had gone down the bookies, assuming I could find one who would have taken the bet.

I'm sure the Giro could make a stage involving Stelvio via Merano to the Rettenbach, although doing it in May would be nigh on impossible - or significantly in the lap of the gods at the very least.


Mazda, IIRC Pinot was a measly 9/4 on Paddy Power so you certainly wouldn't have got rich.  Ryan Moore at Ascot?  Now that's a recipe for success alright... Wink

I look forward to the highlights later but I do tend to think the big mountains tend to turn in to a slog alright and negate racing somewhat.  Smaller hills and punchier climbs do it for me far better...
Fontfroide

I myself was transported for ten k  by the multiple moto coverage and the helicopter shots and the complexity of the arrangement of the riders on the "big hill".  I do agree that the road is not quite as picturesque as it could be (in fact, a bit of long slog from certain angles).  But I still say all the classic roles were played out, if by slightly second level players.

I might have really liked just being able to watch uninterrupted for ten k of the last big hill.  In Polish.
Boogerd_Fan

Great for Pinot.
. But i hope he hasnt peaked too soon.. id like him to do well at the tour
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:


Ooops.  I liked it more than you maybe.  Perhaps I am just in a good mood and I picked Pinot for the GC and like the young man as I have read about him.

The only thing really not so good about it was that the characters were not the best climbers on earth.  The field in the Tour should be higher quality.

But wasn't there a lot going on?  Various riders strewn everywhere.  The escape, the attacks.  None of this parading up a mountain with five guys in front, then four and eventually the leader attacks two k from the finish.

Might have been something I ate or drank.    Laughing


I liked it fine. I just meant that the constant 10-11% gradient meant that it played out more slowly than the average Alpine finish.
HuwB

Off the back of that Dauphine chat as to what's the more "normal".

a) Geraint Thomas: climbing great here and climbing great at the Tour
or
b) Rafa Majka: Assuming he climbs (fly's) as at last year's Tour, after being beaten up the Rettenbachferner today, by "Big" Tom Dumoulin?
Biosphere

I enjoyed yesterday. As has been pointed out, the camera work was superb thanks to the geography. There must be a little bit of a psychological element when at points you can see the road continuing to climb for so far ahead (it even got the Mrs. A but interested which is saying something). On the other hand maybe it helps keep gaps smaller if you're trying to keep in touch and limit losses. Dumoulin did better than I expected. Knew what he was doing when he was off the pace at the very start.
mazda

HuwB wrote:

b) Rafa Majka: Assuming he climbs (fly's) as at last year's Tour, after being beaten up the Rettenbachferner today, by "Big" Tom Dumoulin?

Saw the last 5km on ES last night.
By that time Tom was marked at being a minute back from the group of contenders.
So according to that he went up the last 5km faster than everyone except the first three.

Dumoulin supposedly weighs less than Thomas.
mazda

In a fragmented finish Thomas and Fuglsang both claw back 5 seconds on the rest of the GC riders.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Off the back of that Dauphine chat as to what's the more "normal".

a) Geraint Thomas: climbing great here and climbing great at the Tour
or
b) Rafa Majka: Assuming he climbs (fly's) as at last year's Tour, after being beaten up the Rettenbachferner today, by "Big" Tom Dumoulin?


I honestly don't know Huw.  None of it makes much sense to me anymore.  What I do know is that I like Thomas and would love to see him ride out from under the bushel he's been hiding under for much of his career.  I can't help thinking that he is a better rider than his palmares suggest.

Majka?  The only surprise there is that he wasn't part of Astana's Giro squad Wink
HuwB

Pinot, sloppy at the finish, as he again sheds 5 seconds to Thomas, who now sits at 37 seconds.
That's two days in a row.
Dumoulin and Pozzovivo also gain 5 seconds. Spilak and Fuglsang also lose out.
Fontfroide

But Pinot has been working hard on his TT, so no worries.  You'd think his DS would give him a little "experience" so he doesn't make mistakes like that.   Anyway, no worries.  Thibaut is ready.
mr shifter

Bartali wrote:

I honestly don't know Huw.  None of it makes much sense to me anymore.  What I do know is that I like Thomas and would love to see him ride out from under the bushel he's been hiding under for much of his career.  I can't help thinking that he is a better rider than his palmares suggest.
I have no complaints with Geraint Thomas who seems to have made steady progress as a road racer after being thrown in to many team responsibilities.
I can't see him doing a George Hincape by winning a high mountain stage or beating Richie Porte up a mountain but I hope he TT's to a victory in this Suisse Tour. (well Fabian did it)

Be Lucky.
Bartali

Hear hear Mr S.
Fontfroide

Only caught the last bit, but the order of finishing and the gaps requires a bit of reading.  Looked rather odd.  Must have been a break that got away.  The chasers, chasing the first two, was within 8 seconds and they just messed around and lost 20 seconds in the last 2k.  

A classic case of the chasers falling apart in the last short distance.  Seems like they could easily have caught them.
HuwB

Astana's Lutsenko drags Bakelants out of the breakaway, does all the work over the last 15kms to hold them off and then wins the sprint with ease.
Totally incompetent Swiss director completely ignores the GC battle going on behind.
Seeing that Geraint finished behind Sagan and 3 seconds up on Pinot, safe to say that Sky missed the bonus seconds boat today.
Nolte

A conversation with my father

father: who is that
nolte: lutsenko
father: the winner?
Nolte: yes
father: where's he from?
Nolte: kazakhstan
father: and he's not even tired after winning?
Nolte: what can i say, these kazakhs got magic.

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pinot gets caught out on third dah and while a loss of a few seconds again, it seems to be a weakness in positioning for her.
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i thought this before but for me, geraint thomas in terms of determination and style of riding bares a similarity for me to jens voigt
Fontfroide

To my surprise, I rather enjoyed watching the last hour (of and on) of the ITT.  Made me a but hungry for the Tour, but certainly three reputable riders at the top.  Not the first rank, but riders who could win a race or a stage of any race that is not a Grand Tour.  Dumoulin seems to be quite a TT guy, now at the top of his form.

Too bad about Thibaut, I guess he has a bit more work to do.  But entirely respectable as well.  This race had its moments.  It will not live forever in my memory.

Next weekend the national championships and then hardly a breath before the Tour!  I feel like they are giving us a breather.
HuwB

Every time I've fp'd Spilak in a TT he's been abysmal.
Should have gone for him today for Geraint's sake.
Today, he rode the trial of his life. Incredible performance.

With the TTT designed as it is, you would think he was a shoe in for Katusha's TDF team, but given how his form completely deserted him after this race, last year, I suspect he'll sit out the big one.
Mrs John Murphy

Spilak is a funny one because he always seems to there or there abouts but has never really kicked on.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Every time I've fp'd Spilak in a TT he's been abysmal.
Should have gone for him today for Geraint's sake.
Today, he rode the trial of his life. Incredible performance.

With the TTT designed as it is, you would think he was a shoe in for Katusha's TDF team, but given how his form completely deserted him after this race, last year, I suspect he'll sit out the big one.


i recall going through his grand tour appearances last year and last year's tour de france was the first in a grand tour for him for a number of years.

Maybe he lacks the recovery from beyond a week for grand tours?
mazda

Not bad.
That's as about as exciting as a final day TT can get.

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