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HuwB

Tour 2016, Stages 17-21, Paris via Hell, July 19th-24th

One of the hardest finishing weeks that I can remember.

Stage 17:-





Mountain passes & hills Berne / Finhaut-Emosson 184.5KM

   Km 72.5 - Côte de Saanenmöser6.6 kilometre-long climb at 4.8% - category 3

   Km 105.0 - Col des Mosses6.4 kilometre-long climb at 4.4% - category 3

   Km 166.5 - Col de la Forclaz (1 527 m)13 kilometre-long climb at 7.9% - category 1

   Km 184.5 - FINHAUT-EMOSSON (1 960 m)10.4 kilometre-long climb at 8.4% - category H



The Tour's promo video:-
https://vimeo.com/169979129

This finish was last used in the 2014 Dauphine. The final few kms, which should cheer up the Dutch and Contador fans alike :-

https://youtu.be/x0eGkfTsP7Y

Stage 18:-







Stage 19:-





Mountain passes & hills Albertville / Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc 146KM

   Km 42.5 - Col de la Forclaz de Montmin (1 157 m)9.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.9% - category 1

   Km 73.5 - Col de la Forclaz de Queige (870 m)5.6 kilometre-long climb at 7.8% - category 2

   Km 96.5 - Montée de Bisanne (1 723 m)12.4 kilometre-long climb at 8.2% - category H

   Km 146.0 - Le Bettex (1 372 m)9.8 kilometre-long climb at 8% - category 1






Stage 20:-



****Provisional Profile****


The Col de la Ramaz, already removed from the etape, is unlikely to feature, due to rock falls, but the final decision will not be taken until 24 hours before the stage.
Nevertheless.....

Mountain passes & hills Megève / Morzine-Avoriaz 146.5KM

   Km 21.0 - Col des Aravis (1 487 m)6.7 kilometre-long climb at 7% - category 2

   Km 45.5 - Col de la Colombière (1 618 m)11.7 kilometre-long climb at 5.8% - category 1

   Km 93.5 - Col de la Ramaz (1 619 m)13.9 kilometre-long climb at 7.1% - category 1

Km 134.5 - Col de Joux Plane (1 691 m)11.6 kilometre-long climb at 8.5% - category H



 

And finally............Stage 21:-



Boogerd_Fan

Depends how hard the riders ride it. Will Movistar wake up??

Does the Hill TT favour the rouleurs or the mountain goats? I was thinking about Forclaz being where Quintana would move, but maybe he will try to trim Froome's lead where there is NO team support for a 15km hill effort.
Kind of makes sense.
SlowRower

Amazing - Wait for years for a col de Forclaz and then three come along at the same time!

As an aside, Mrs SR was Strava Queen on the Quiege variant during her final Marmotte campaign.
mazda

Today it is 'rest day' on the justcycling forum.
Smile
Nolte

mazda wrote:
Today it is 'rest day' on the justcycling forum.
Smile


need it, tired after the last 2 days Very Happy
gerry12ie

Q & A with Sean Yates more or less sums up what we were talking about with that oh-so-important battle for fifth place Rolling Eyes

Quote:
CN: Are most of the guys in the top 10 happy with what they’ve got?

Yates: Adam Yates is obviously a young guy – he’s going to follow for as long as he can. With Mollema it’s similar because he’s never been in this situation before.  If you try something reckless on stage 17 or 18 then you might pay on stage 20. In my opinion they’d be better waiting until stage 20 and the climb of the [Col de] Joux Plane. Ok, then it’s downhill to the finish and the last stage, but if you try anything before that it’s compromising your position. One day a big effort, and the next day you pay. If you go for it on stage 19 to Mont Blanc, on stage 20 you potentially lose everything on the Joux Plane – if you can’t keep the pace set by Woet Poels, for example. You can lose a minute and a half and slip from second to fifth.


Safety first Sean, eh?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/f...e-france-sewn-up-says-sean-yates/
Bartali

Boring .....
HuwB

Cav has officially climbed off and I can't say that I'm surprised.
Final training session in Manchester today.
Gathering in Newport for the final tune up, tomorrow evening.
Hoping to see Becky in the morning.
Boogerd_Fan

So Sagan has won Green? Nice.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
So Sagan has won Green? Nice.


Interesting that someone can totally dominate a jersey competition for 5 years without it being labelled as a boring, foregone conclusion.

Heat is going to play a major part, today.

mazda

HuwB wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
So Sagan has won Green? Nice.


Interesting that someone can totally dominate a jersey competition for 5 years without it being labelled as a boring, foregone conclusion.

Foregone conclusion - possibly, boring - I don't think so.

Not only because Sagan makes it interesting in the way he goes about it, and his apparent lack of fear of failing, but the nature of awarding points each stage gives it a different flavour.

The GC is effectively decided on a few days, and unlike GC where if you make an effort and fail, it doesn't scupper your subsequent chances.
mazda

HuwB wrote:

Heat is going to play a major part, today.



It was about 33 degrees here yesterday.
Might be wrong but I don't ever recall cycling in that temperature before, the feeling of such a warm breeze.
Or maybe I just feel it now I'm older.
mazda

HuwB wrote:

Heat is going to play a major part, today.



It was about 33 degrees here yesterday.
Might be wrong but I don't ever recall cycling in that temperature before, the feeling of such a warm breeze.
Or maybe I just feel it now I'm older.
HuwB

An early crash has caused Gorka Izaguirre to abandon.
Movistar also had Erviti down in the same crash.
The omens are not good.
Biosphere

I had read it that the boring comments were directed at other teams and a willingness to cash in their chips for what the had. Froomme actually got kudos for racing and grabbing seconds where he could?
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
I had read it that the boring comments were directed at other teams and a willingness to cash in their chips for what the had. Froomme actually got kudos for racing and grabbing seconds where he could?

I think I slightly misread what Huw was saying, but not in that way.
i.e. not as a sleight against Sagan/Green, but contrasting with how dominant teams, current and past, have controlled the GC comp.

So I was unnecessarily defending Sagan, while trying to find a difference between that comp and the yellow.

I'm sure he'll be along soon Smile
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
I had read it that the boring comments were directed at other teams and a willingness to cash in their chips for what the had. Froomme actually got kudos for racing and grabbing seconds where he could?


Froome is in that fortunate position, as is Nibali, and Contador before them, of being financially comfortable (I assume so at any rate) so he can race to win, not to get paid.
HuwB

Almost 52kms covered in the first hour, into a slight headwind and over a 3rd cat. Shocked
HuwB

mazda wrote:

I think I slightly misread what Huw was saying, but not in that way.
i.e. not as a sleight against Sagan/Green, but contrasting with how dominant teams, current and past, have controlled the GC comp.


I'm sure he'll be along soon Smile


Got it at the 2nd attempt. Wink
Biosphere

The base of the first "climb" is where we stay in the Alps. Zweisimmen. I cycle around there often. The Rhone valley stretch before the final pair of climbs can be a literal wind tunnel depending on the day. I don't expect surprises but equally I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
gerry12ie

mazda wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
So Sagan has won Green? Nice.


Interesting that someone can totally dominate a jersey competition for 5 years without it being labelled as a boring, foregone conclusion.

Foregone conclusion - possibly, boring - I don't think so.

Not only because Sagan makes it interesting in the way he goes about it, and his apparent lack of fear of failing, but the nature of awarding points each stage gives it a different flavour.

The GC is effectively decided on a few days, and unlike GC where if you make an effort and fail, it doesn't scupper your subsequent chances.


Sagan has dominated his competition more or less on his own - without a sprint train or any particularly noticeable team help.
mazda

Decent break has 12 minutes.
No Trek, Orica or Movistar riders in it though.
Not sure if that is a good or bad omen.
HuwB

Sagan, job done as the break are already on the final climbs.
Mega early finish again.
mazda

Zakarin and Pantano have dropped Majka.

edit - 20 in Yellow jersey group.
Can the 3 Astana do anything to stress Froome ?
HuwB

Zakarin would have dropped Pantani, never mind Pantano
mazda

Landa dropped at last.
mazda

Nibali doing a passable impression of Scarponi.

As I say that he moves over to leave Rosa.

And now Rosa moves over to leave Sky in charge.
mazda

Valverde accelerates to dislodge Henao and Kreuziger.
mazda

Now Martin has a go.
mazda

Nieve brings him back.
Nolte

Most interesting thing so far was to see if zakarun could do  up his Jersey and stay upright
mazda

Zakarin zips up his jersey.
I can't see Pantano in the background.
mazda

At least he looks tired as he crosses the line.
mazda

Porte has a go.
Quintana follows, not sure if attacking or defending.
mazda

Froome eventually goes after Porte.
mazda

Martin and Mollema slightly distanced ?
mazda

So it's Porte and Froome.
No crowds.
No Quintana.
Motorbike is staying safely behind.
mazda

A few of the others have attacked Quintana.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
At least he looks tired as he crosses the line.


Indeed,  he didn't even have the energy at the end to make the zip up of the jersey worthwhile
mazda

Mollema comes in behind Poels.
Then Martin.
Then Nieve.
mazda

Yates gains 32" on Mollema
HuwB

Cor, that was more death by a thousand cuts, than exciting, but the podium looking like it may not have the Colombian climber on it, come Sunday.
More your British Empire look to it. Smile

All at a 40kph average.
Zakarin clearly not worried about his Rio prospects. Razz
mazda

Indeed.
Porte may even have an eye on a podium spot.
Fontfroide

Glad Ilnur managed to win.  Otherwise the two climbers would have been the same and that is not surprising.  However, Zakarin might have won before, except he lost his lens.  A very good finish, but not quite the big drama we looked for.  I still hope Quintana makes a big attack and I prefer it not to be the very last stage.  But I think maybe has just does not have it this year.  That is, he can beat 194 riders but not the best three.  

Quite good scenery though.  Not an extraordinary and deeply memorable day.  Did rather enjoy it though.  Watching Yates stick it out to the end, seeing Bardet showing to us and to himself that he has it in him to do even more.
Fontfroide

I saw these figures in l'Equipe yesterday.  Perhaps some of you might find it interesting.  No idea if the data is “correct”.  In another article, today, they reported the budget of AG2R as 14 million.  In the data below it is 12 million.  So clearly not everything is exact.

Sky 35 million
Katusha 32
BMC 28
Tinkoff 25
Astana 20
Etixx 18
Movistar 15
Lotto Soudal  14
Lotto Jumbo 14
Dimension Data 13.5
Orica 13
Giant 12.5
Trek 12
AG2R 12
Cofidis 11
IAM 10.5
FDJ 10
Cannondale 10
Lampre 7
Direct Energie 6
Bora 4.5
Fortuneo 3.5
mazda

I have to ask, sorry, all figures in Euros ?
Given that not all teams are 'european' it might be that monies are all converted to a different currency.
gerry12ie

I'm glad I didn't waste a day off for that anyway.  I got an hour of 'highlights' of the last 8 kms, and that could have easily been cut to half an hour Wink

Sky and Froome are just simply too strong for anyone to make a serious challenge.  Shame Sagan can't climb the big ones, at least we might get a race...
Nolte

mazda wrote:
I have to ask, sorry, all figures in Euros ?
Given that not all teams are 'european' it might be that monies are all converted to a different currency.


You thinking sky might have 8% higher if the figures were last month Wink
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:
I have to ask, sorry, all figures in Euros ?
Given that not all teams are 'european' it might be that monies are all converted to a different currency.


The figures are in euros.  You can try to work out in detail what that might mean to this or that team.  And I suppose check with their accountants where the bank accounts are, when the sponsors' money comes into the accounts, how they play exchange rates and …..

Its only to give a rough idea of who is richest and who is poorest.  I am fairly certain the sponsors and the team accountants have figured the optimal way to deal with the situation.
Boogerd_Fan

So how on earth did SKY turn Poels into a super domestique?

At least Henao and Nieve kind of have previous at the pointy end of a GC competition.
gerry12ie

There was a very honest interview with Sam Bennett (currently lanterne rouge) the other day after he finally made in to the sprint mix on stage 14.  He had a nasty crash on the first stage and it is a bit unsettling to hear a sprinter talking about being nervous after so many crashes.  I'm sure we have all had a few spills over the years, and from my experience I know that crashes hurt and make you think twice about being on a bike in the same way.  It's worth thinking about how dedicated these guys are after getting broken up again and again, and how it must play on their minds and affect confidence.  

http://embeds.audioboom.com/boos/...016/embed/v4?eid=AQAAAN-dilfPpkkA

Bennett and Argon's miserable tour is highlighted by the news that Shane Archibold withdrew this evening with a pelvic fracture sustained in a crash on the second descent of the day.  He, of course, finished the stage

Really, all these guys are as hard as fucking nails and I don't know how they put themselves through it.  Chapeau
gerry12ie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
So how on earth did SKY turn Poels into a super domestique?

At least Henao and Nieve kind of have previous at the pointy end of a GC competition.


He did much the same thing at Le Tour last year BF.  I always thought he had potential, but I think the key here is money.  Sky can pay big bucks to guys like him in return for them sacrificing personal ambition.  How many times was it said in previous years that Kiryienka was a potential GT winner?  Instead he takes the money and puts in hard miles instead.  Same with Poels, same with Henao, and in this GT, Landa.  The rest simply just can't compete.  

Now where is Leo Konig?
SlowRower

gerry12ie wrote:
Sky can pay big bucks to guys like him in return for them sacrificing personal ambition.  How many times was it said in previous years that Kiryienka was a potential GT winner?  Instead he takes the money and puts in hard miles instead.


It's not a bad career plan really. The number of "potential GT winners" who actually get anywhere close to so doing is quite small. There's an awful lot of pressure as a supposed GC contender both in terms of expectation, the need to be on form every day and the need to deliver the goods to keep team morale high. The extra salary one might gain for a couple of years in such a pressurised situation might just not be worth it for those not cut out as "leaders".

Conversely, being a superdom is less lucrative but is a much lower pressure job, particularly at somewhere like Sky where the job can be rotated within a race. And if a superdom nails himself into the hurtbox on the final climb then he's still done a good job whether he gets to 2k, 3k or anywhere close to the end if the other GC contenders are also on their own. Unlike the leader, he doesn't have to be "last man standing" every day.

A few years at Sky on a superdom salary (e.g. Thomas) will leave a rider well set for the rest of their life, and ultimately, they all have to pay their mortgage and gas bills.
Boogerd_Fan

Leo Konig is such a disappointing story.
I hope he can find a different team and pick up where he left off at Netapp-Endura.

Gerry - nice point about Archbold - 70km with a fractured Pelvis?!!
Nolte

Was konig injured this year, he had a 4 month lay off from Valencia in February to suisse
Fontfroide

I must have looked on the wrong page.  No one home?  Still.  Happy with Froome winning as I picked him (shared anyway), but also impressed with Aru and Bardet, a bit better than I thought.  Porte did well of course, but was expected to.  Poor Quintana, wonder what is wrong with him.  I think he should train in Europe with the lads instead of going home to be with his family.  He just lacks a little bit of something.  Still super good though.

So now we see if anyone in the top ten wants to attack in the next two days.  Obvious answer, no.  But one can hope.
HuwB

No love for the mountain time trial......
Froome adds a chunk of time to his lead with a convincing win.
Of the rest, Richie Porte moving forward. Bardet holding his own, Yates kind of, Mollema and Quintana moving slowly backwards.
All without a single swapping of places on the GC top 10.

Amazingly, once again, it's Astana and this time Aru who look the most likely to find another gear for the final weekend pair of mountain stages.
Spots 2-7 therefore remain wide open.

Froome
Mollema + 3.52
Yates +4.16
Quintana +4.27
Bardet +4.57
Porte +5.00
Aru + 6.08
Valverde + 6.37
Meintjez + 7.15
Martin + 7.18
Boogerd_Fan

Mollema & Quintana both losing time, but they totally saved their rides in the 2nd half today... was looking like losing a lot more in my opinion.

For armchair viewer, i wouldn't mind if they just let SKY ride off into the sunset and then have a battle for 2nd place without the robots & froome.. it would be far more interesting.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Poor Quintana ... he just lacks a little bit of something.  
Yup ... not on the good stuff this year. I have no love for this guy.  He cheated his way to his one GT win and has generally showed a lack of ambition in his Tour appearances.  I thought he would be better 'prepared' this year, but he's hardly better than Valverde who already has one GT in his legs.
gerry12ie

Didn't see it, so there really isn't much to say except amaze at Froome's total dominance.  I wish Sky would put a better B team together for the Giro or Vuelta and let us see what they can do in the other tours.

We had a debate once that touched on Wenger's claim of teams benefitting from 'financial doping', and I think Sky's seemingly endless resources are evidence of that.  Froome and his team have been excellent, but their dominance has crushed the life out of this race and TBH many hopes of a dramatic final week were wishful thinking.
Boogerd_Fan

Im happy for Porte - unless he has a jour sans in next 2 days he has finally bettered his 2010 Giro performance and survived 3 weeks without cracking.

He would also be an exception, rather than the rule, where a former SKY lieutenant leaves the team and has more than just limited or stuttering success elsewhere.

If Poels or Landa are so good, will they still be around to be leaders in 2-3 years time when Froome gets to old?

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Mollema clinging onto 2nd/podium, if the goal was top 5, i guess he can be happy however mt. blanc plays out, but i hope he has something left to follow porte, quintana and yates at least.

It could still be all turned on its head with porte close enough and quintana still more than capable to do his 1 stage all or nothing raid and probably not drop Froome but distance Mollema and Yates enough. :-/

Testing days ahead.
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
For armchair viewer, i wouldn't mind if they just let SKY ride off into the sunset and then have a battle for 2nd place without the robots & froome.. it would be far more interesting.

I know what you mean.
The methodology that Sky impose in order to win has just as much impact in the race for second and third.
I think Yates has benefitted from having a ready made, large group of GC contenders to sit with.
Conversely up until now Mollema has looked strong and possibly could have done without Sky levelling it all out.
Whether this will work to his advantage over the next two days, should he weaken, remains to be seen.
SlowRower

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
If Poels or Landa are so good, will they still be around to be leaders in 2-3 years time when Froome gets too old?


Poels is only ~ 2 years younger than Froome, so might not benefit from Froome getting old.

Yates (not sure which one ultimately) would be the logical (to my mind) successor to Froome if he continues to progress, as he's a quirky Brit (and a lot younger than Froome) and thus more marketable on Sky's home turf.

Speaking of Yates, wasn't Adam the one that Sky didn't want? Shows how much they know about talent spotting!
gerry12ie

SlowRower wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
If Poels or Landa are so good, will they still be around to be leaders in 2-3 years time when Froome gets too old?


Poels is only ~ 2 years younger than Froome, so might not benefit from Froome getting old.

Yates (not sure which one ultimately) would be the logical (to my mind) successor to Froome if he continues to progress, as he's a quirky Brit (and a lot younger than Froome) and thus more marketable on Sky's home turf.

Speaking of Yates, wasn't Adam the one that Sky didn't want? Shows how much they know about talent spotting!


Aye, Sky wanted Simon AFAIK but I'm not sure they actually made an offer.  IIRC Lampre and FDJ did...

Quote:
"It's a good setup [at GreenEdge]," Adam said. "And if I went to Sky then I'd end up working on the front like a slave, and I'm not a big fan of that!"
Boogerd_Fan

mazda wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
For armchair viewer, i wouldn't mind if they just let SKY ride off into the sunset and then have a battle for 2nd place without the robots & froome.. it would be far more interesting.

I know what you mean.
The methodology that Sky impose in order to win has just as much impact in the race for second and third.
I think Yates has benefitted from having a ready made, large group of GC contenders to sit with.
Conversely up until now Mollema has looked strong and possibly could have done without Sky levelling it all out.
Whether this will work to his advantage over the next two days, should he weaken, remains to be seen.



Well Mollema is now also benefiting from it staying together until the final KM (like in Swiss), the time gaps are never going to be big, if the group only splits up 1KM before the line.

On the flipside, I'd like that there's a proper early split in the group, and Bauke and Yates can prove their podium positions are more than just a SKY gift or fortune coming out of 2x neutralized finishes when either of them were "ahead" of the GC group.
mazda

How can the Collet de Tamie not be a categorised climb ?
gerry12ie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Leo Konig is such a disappointing story.
I hope he can find a different team and pick up where he left off at Netapp-Endura.

Gerry - nice point about Archbold - 70km with a fractured Pelvis?!!


Boogie, Archbold got a 20 second penalty on the day for drafting Twisted Evil
HuwB

Boring start.
Breakaway already gone because all the usual suspects have made it.

mazda wrote:
How can the Collet de Tamie not be a categorised climb ?


8kms at 7% average? ASO just playing funny buggers with the KoM lot.
SlowRower

mazda wrote:
How can the Collet de Tamie not be a categorised climb ?


It's the only notable climb near Annecy that Mrs SR didn't bag during her epic 2013 Marmotte training camp. In light of this, the ASO have clearly realised it's not worthy!
HuwB

Astana?
Very strange. Confusion all around.
mazda

Yes, half the team are off the front of the peloton now.
HuwB

The entire Astana team channeling their inner Floyd Landis?
Couldn't last.
Nolte

The riders in the break are:



Alexey Lutsenko (Astana), Robert Kiserlovski and Rafal Majka (Tinkoff), Alexis Vuillermoz (AG2R-La Mondiale), George Bennett (LottoNL-Jumbo), Pierre Rolland (Cannondale-Drapac), Markus Burghardt and Amaël Moinard (BMC), Natnael Berhane (Dimension Data), Laurens ten Dam (Giant-Alpecin), Emmanuel Buchman (Bora-Argon 1Cool, Rui Costa (Lampre-Merida), Thomas De Gendt and Tony Gallopin (Lotto-Soudal), Tony Martin (Etixx-Quick Step), Daniel Navarro (Cofidis), Michael Matthews (Orica-BikeExchange), Eduardo Sepulveda and Vegard Breen (Fortuneo-Vital Concept).

finally got a rider in the breakaway and kept the pick

and it won't stay away Sad
mazda

No Zakarin !

Break has got organised now.
A lot of riders rotating through.
Nolte

lutsenko's job is probably going to between 96 and 136 to drive it to the bottom of saint gervais mont blanc
mazda

A lot of that is downhill.
The 10 km back up and through Megeve will need the most work.
mazda

Majka beckons De Gendt to take the KoM points.
mazda

Some splits in the main peloton, but not for too long.
Gap still at 3'
Nolte

mazda wrote:
A lot of that is downhill.
The 10 km back up and through Megeve will need the most work.


Yes, but I think that you want lutsenko to help aru in that section.

I'm thinking of the Andy schleck attack on the galibier stage in 2011 where catching one team mate too early on a climb was an error and he could have done a lot more if caught at the top or descent

Rosa asks tiralonga to ease the pace
mazda

Grivko - although a Katusha rider was actually leading at that point.
HuwB

Dumoulin abandons, crying at the roadside.
Wrist and elbow injury.
Must be bad.
mazda

Sad
Went down with an IAM rider.
Not sure who, if either of them, caused it.

Peloton almost has break in sight.
Boogerd_Fan

Astana doing their best SKY impression... It is not strong enough pace to force a GC selection... So Aru only wants the distance to the break 'managed' so he can setup the stage win?
mazda

Astana have 7 vs 6 for Sky (plus Lutsenko still ahead).
But they are losing ground to the break, so they are hardly pushing it too hard.
Nolte

mazda wrote:
Astana have 7 vs 6 for Sky (plus Lutsenko still ahead).
But they are losing ground to the break, so they are hardly pushing it too hard.


It has been more a tempo ride, still a reasonably sized group so pace isn't tough
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Astana doing their best SKY impression... It is not strong enough pace to force a GC selection... So Aru only wants the distance to the break 'managed' so he can setup the stage win?


Like I said, doesn't matter whether Sky are in the race.
Whoever is next up pretty much does the same thing.
The standard Tour tactic.
Effective, while being minimal risk.

Dumoulin suspected broken wrist. That, from the team.
mazda

Kiserlovski still doing all the work in the break.
About 12 riders left ahead.

edit - Majka just rides away from them all, no gifts this time.
De Gendt, of course, is no longer up there with him.
Boogerd_Fan

Its about time Rolland did something
Nolte

Froome went over the climb a wee bit back on the front

Rolland and faria da Costa off front of the break now
Nolte

Rolland down
Boogerd_Fan

Uffff  Crying or Very sad
HuwB

Rolland huge body surf. Ouch.
mazda

Nolte wrote:
Froome went over the climb a wee bit back on the front

I thought he looked a bit paler than usual earlier.
I'm sure if there was a problem the other teams would have noticed.
Biosphere

That Rolland chute came out of nowhere.
Biosphere

Seems like more than a 100s weather gap!
mazda

Problem for Porte
Team mate has gone to front to ask Astana duo to slow down.
HuwB

Porte off the back, so Astana drill it on the front.
Hope Richie never does the lottery.
Nolte

Porte half a km back from froome per the gps

Since it, astana took back 25 seconds, gap now 1'28
Boogerd_Fan

OBE helping out too, they want the security of porte out of this lead group for yates podium
mazda

Slowly getting back with 3 helpers.

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