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Tour 2015, Stages 13-16: Transitions x 4, 17th-20th July

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mazda

Tinkoff and Giant forcing the pace now to catch the 6 leaders.
There is the tiniest of splits in the peloton and Peraud has crashed.
mazda

<shudder>
A nasty slide on his arm and side, head first, then a roll over.
He has a 60km ITT unless they send someone back.
mazda

Looks like Nibali is in the second group.
Astana sending men back and leading the chase.
mazda

Slowing again now - gap to break going back out.
mazda

They really must be dawdling - Peraud has got back on mostly by himself and a lot of time with the race doc.
mazda

Gap down to 2 min now.
Over the final categorised climb, but they still have Primaube.
mazda

Could hold on here, it will be mostly gently downhill for last 6km.
gerry12ie

Good stuff Mazda!  Looks like you are flying solo today...
mazda

GVA has enough to hold off Sagan.
Bakelandts a somewhat distant third.
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
Good stuff Mazda!  Looks like you are flying solo today...


Yes. Perfect bite sized chunks for Dublin Airport WiFi Smile Ta!
Fontfroide

Must remember to take the laptop downstairs to watch the last few stages.  Give a little break to Mazda.
Boogerd_Fan

Good day for 2agan... even if he failed to win AGAIN.

I'm sure the target would be to amass enough points (55?) not to have to worry about placings in Paris.
mr shifter

Today it's a steep climb and then the sprint down the aircraft runway.
Boogerd_Fan

Sagan making his move for Green... max pts at the intermediate sprint
phildange

Will Sagan win at last ? The final is not bad for him . I'd like it so for all his efforts .
Biosphere

phildange wrote:
Will Sagan win at last ? The final is not bad for him . I'd like it so for all his efforts .


I think he would be doing well to outclimb the likes of Uran and Pinot today. Would think there's a chance of a minor placing and more green jersey points at finish though.
phildange

Yes, I was thinking if he could do a new breakaway from the breakaway before the last climbs . But I admit there are few chances . When a guy fails so many times I tend to hope for him .
The gap is reducing . I can't understand why the peloton would fight to come back today, so the breakaway has slowed down . If I was Sagan I would try something now .
Nolte

wouldn't it be really great for mtn if steve cummings won todays stage on as the commentators remind us, nelson mandela day

not that  have an ulterior motive or self interest in wanting cummings to win Wink
phildange

OK, no Sagan win . The 3 FDJ men impose a fast pace . Seems Pinot wants it today . So, Pinot, Bardet, Uran ?
Seems difficult for Cummings .
kathy

Looks a bit cooler today.
Nolte

phildange wrote:
OK, no Sagan win . The 3 FDJ men impose a fast pace . Seems Pinot wants it today . So, Pinot, Bardet, Uran ?
Seems difficult for Cummings .


i'd be thinking he is a bit too far back on this hill to be there or maybe just conserving his energy but you see with fdj on the front, the stronger wriders are closer to the back of the three fdj riders.
phildange

Another interesting question is : will Contador, if he still has some energy left, try to use his punch to overtake G and maybe more in the GC ?
phildange

Gee ... a bit of a thrilling . Cummings, Yates, Uran, Bardet, Pinot ...
Nolte

phildange wrote:
Another interesting question is : will Contador, if he still has some energy left, try to use his punch to overtake G and maybe more in the GC ?


they talked about him having a lighter bike for the end but hasn;t gone back to it.

eloton has let the pace go down on it so far.
Nolte

breakaway attack guys, come on
Nolte

come on cummings
gerry12ie

Allez Nolte!
gerry12ie

Thats a nice finish and a great win by Cummings, but what were Bardet (especially) and Pinot playing at?  Froome and Quintana just a cut above the rest of the GC boys.

I had a look at the stage betting with 10k to go and IIRC Cummings was 100/1 for the stage... Surprised
mazda

Good win for Cummings, but Pinot should have won. Should have gone straight by Bardet then there wouldn't have been any of that messing about.
phildange

It's been a more interesting stage than in the Pyrenees !
Super victory on Mandela's day . A bit incredible . Well foreseen Nolte . But it's due to the relative stupidity of the two French who played with each other and didn't see what was coming behind . Pff...
And Sagan wasn't very far hey ?
At last some changes in the GC . And several, even if Contador and Nibali are not here this year . Glad this boring TJ loses his 2nd rank . Very good stage in my favorite part of France where I have many memories of wild camping and night camp fires under the stars .
Boogerd_Fan

Froome and SKYs piss taking comes back to haunt them... with the locals throwing it back at them during todays stage.

Karma is a bitch
phildange

Not sure many people around are locals .
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Froome and SKYs piss taking comes back to haunt them... with the locals throwing it back at them during todays stage.
What are you referring to ?
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Froome and SKYs piss taking comes back to haunt them... with the locals throwing it back at them during todays stage.
What are you referring to ?


This I presume

Froome wrote:
“As far as the racing goes, the team did a really great job getting me to that final climb and up that final climb I just controlled Quintana and rode my own tempo up there. Just kept things under control.

"Unfortunately there was an incident out on the road. A spectator in the early part of the race had a cup of urine, they threw it into my face and said dopé, like that. It’s extremely wrong and on so many different levels and I’m extremely disappointed about that. It’s not in the name of sport.

"I think a lot of the reporting on the race has been very irresponsible and I blame those individuals for that. Those individuals know who they are. Having said that, we’ve had fantastic support. We’ve had a great number of fans out on the road and I want to thank them and the media, a lot of them have been fantastic around this race, in just wanting to talk about the race. That’s what people want to see. Unfortunately some people ruin it for everyone else."


In other news Sepulveda (BSE) disqualified for taking a 100m lift in an AG2R car after his chain broke.

As for the winner today. That was a great result and great that it happened on the day it did. Great for MTN too - so little chance for teams outside the big few to score a result like that.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
This I presume

Froome wrote:
"I think a lot of the reporting on the race has been very irresponsible and I blame those individuals for that. Those individuals know who they are. Unfortunately some people ruin it for everyone else."

Ned Boulting wrote an article in the Free "Metro" newspaper thursday July 16.
That Froome is like Lance.
He has a Twitter, where you can read the text.
I havn't got the tech know how to bring it over.
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
This I presume

Froome wrote:
"I think a lot of the reporting on the race has been very irresponsible and I blame those individuals for that. Those individuals know who they are. Unfortunately some people ruin it for everyone else."

Ned Boulting wrote an article in the Free "Metro" newspaper thursday July 16.
That Froome is like Lance.
He has a Twitter, where you can read the text.
I havn't got the tech know how to bring it over.

I noted he didn't do the post race interview with Froome.


I think Boulting is not who Froome is talking about.

Quote:
"@JalabertLaurent @cedvasseur @lequipe @festinaboy @scienceofsport I hope you're paying attention. Ignorant, irresponsible fools," Michelle Froome tweeted.
Mrs John Murphy

I am not sure why Michelle Froome is complaining about Ross Tucker who is one of the more moderate but critical voices when it comes to cycling.

http://sportsscientists.com/2015/...-aliens-performance-data-context/

To be fair, Froome had it easy - Merckx was beaten up for his troubles and in another parallel, didn't Armstrong claimed to have piss thrown over him as well.

Plus ca change.
SlowRower

gerry12ie wrote:
Thats a nice finish and a great win by Cummings, but what were Bardet (especially) and Pinot playing at?


I liked Bardet's "face-palm" at the finish.
phildange

Let's see if Greipel manages to grasp his last chance before the Champs-E . today .
Biosphere

phildange wrote:
Let's see if Greipel manages to grasp his last chance before the Champs-E . today .


Indeed he did. Turning out to be a very good Tour for him. Plenty more points for Sagan today.
gerry12ie

Gorilla is very good.  Coquard must have known I had a few quid on him, and the rest were mighty lucky to avoid going down when he broke his chain.
Boogerd_Fan

Sagan had a lead of 76pts after the intermediate sprint.. but Greipel's win, and Sagan's poor positioning in the final means the German has basically cancelled out Sagan's furries in the break and found a way to close the gap to 41pts.

Still all to play for on the intermediate sprints.
phildange

Biosphere wrote:
phildange wrote:
Let's see if Greipel manages to grasp his last chance before the Champs-E . today .


Indeed he did. Turning out to be a very good Tour for him. Plenty more points for Sagan today.


Yes Sphere, this year there's not much suspense each time there's a flat sprint . What impresses me beside the speed is how great sprinters always manage to implement their sprint : always from the right level at the right moment . Let's look a Coquard's position ! Frenchmen are not smart enought for that exercise ... Like headballs in football .
Sagan will have the green and Greipel is the best sprinter of this Tour . Sagan is a far better rider, he can be efficient in every shape of the race, that's why he deserves this jersey . After mountain/ITT champs who win great Tours and create(d) the thrill, my dear admiration go to this type of riders . Hats off Tovarich, even if you don't win a stage, the green is a prestigious and deserved jersey.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:

Plenty more points for Sagan today.
Yup, He takes the Fearless out of picking.   joker
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:

Plenty more points for Sagan today.
Yup, He takes the Fearless out of picking.   joker


Not after going halves with the slackers Wink
mazda

Well, he's there again.
Sagan is in a leading break of 12 out of an original break of 28 or 29.
Lotto probably hoping that the presence of Gallopin will mean the break is doomed. But perhaps Greipel isn't that bothered about the Green jersey after all. If he doesn't lose it today then likely he would Weds, Thurs or Friday.
phildange

And Saturday .
mazda

phildange wrote:
And Saturday .

I'm going to stick my neck out on this one and say that I don't expect Sagan to be in the leading group when they arrive at Bourg D'Oisans  Very Happy

One thing we haven't had this year yet is one of Sagan's great descents.
Hoping that will change over the coming days.
mazda

Gallopin back in the peloton.
Does that mean nobody has an "active" fearless pick ?
phildange

mazda wrote:
phildange wrote:
And Saturday .

I'm going to stick my neck out on this one and say that I don't expect Sagan to be in the leading group when they arrive at Bourg D'Oisans  Very Happy

One thing we haven't had this year yet is one of Sagan's great descents.
Hoping that will change over the coming days.


Why not today down from the Col de Manse ?
mr shifter

phildange wrote:
mazda wrote:
phildange wrote:
And Saturday .

I'm going to stick my neck out on this one and say that I don't expect Sagan to be in the leading group when they arrive at Bourg D'Oisans  Very Happy

One thing we haven't had this year yet is one of Sagan's great descents.
Hoping that will change over the coming days.


Why not today down from the Col de Manse ?
Into GAP, France
I think this is the Armstrong & Beloki descent.
mazda

53.6 km covered in first hour.
Peloton must only be going at around 48kmph !
mazda

Adam Hansen is in the second group of 12 on the road which is more or less keeping up with the first group at around a minute.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Well, he's there again.
Sagan is in a leading break of 12 out of an original break of 28 or 29.
Lotto probably hoping that the presence of Gallopin will mean the break is doomed. But perhaps Greipel isn't that bothered about the Green jersey after all. If he doesn't lose it today then likely he would Weds, Thurs or Friday.


So Sagan joins cockroaches on the list of things that would survive a nuclear war Wink I mean that in a nice way. He's a tough cookie. Next year's rule changes will just exclude him from the competition.

Not sure I follow about the day for losing the green jersey? Would have though the only day that Sagan can lose it is Sunday if Lotto kept him in touching distance. Or you mean Greipel will lose the chance to win it in Paris one of these upcoming days (i.e. it becomes mathematically impossible)?
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:
But perhaps Greipel isn't that bothered about the Green jersey after all. If he doesn't lose it today then likely he would Weds, Thurs or Friday.


Not sure I follow about the day for losing the green jersey? Would have though the only day that Sagan can lose it is Sunday if Lotto kept him in touching distance. Or you mean Greipel will lose the chance to win it in Paris one of these upcoming days (i.e. it becomes mathematically impossible)?

Yes, I meant mathematically (or close to mathematically).
Sagan can probably pick and choose how to get the gap of 70 to 80 points that he needs, assuming nothing surprising happens later in the week.
Boogerd_Fan

I didn't expect him to try today, but exactly - based on where the sprint prime is located on the Alpine days, he was right to jump into the break today too.

64 pts now.. still needs a few more to be safe.

I assume Hansen / De Gendt will try some crazy attacking nearer the finish to try to land the stage and avoid him picking max pts - but ideal situation for Sagan - enough folks in the 2 breaks to mean Greipel might not score any.

On flipside, i'm sure Greipel's hat trick of stage wins means he is more than content with his Tour and if he falls out of contention for Green because of Sagan's motivation to grab points its no big loss to him at this stage.
mazda

Sagan keeps going back to team car.
Replacing a battery this time.
gerry12ie

A couple of small bets in running today to give a bit of interest what with the FP gone down...

Voeckler @ 10/1

Ruben Plaza @ 66/1

Back to work now
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:


Back to work now
Make sure you have a good pension to retire on and then you too can enjoy more cycle racing.
Mine's not that good (about 3 come in) because I retired in my 50's but I have a reasonable "disposable Income" when I had paid the mortgage off.
That's why you have gone back to work. OK Idea
mazda

Adam Hansen attacks !

Riders thinking they have punctures on the melted tarmac of the descent.
Melted tarmac into Gap kind of rings a bell  Question
mazda

Haller has caught Hansen and they appear to be extending their lead.
gerry12ie

Tack on the road according to MTN tweets
mazda

The better climbers in the break are now making their move.
mazda

That means Plaza.
Riblon trying to respond but can't drop Geschke, Teklehaimanot and Sagan.
mazda

Riblon is offered a bottle by a motorcycle.
He picks a different one, throws it away and accepts the original.
Trying to sabotage his compatriots getting a bottle ?
gerry12ie

Ruben and Voeckler still in the mix, yes?
mazda

Hansen, Jungels, Voeckler are part of a group that have just caught the Riblon group. They were going noticeably faster so the gap to Plaza may have peaked (I think the climb has flattened off before getting steeper again).
mazda

gerry12ie wrote:
Ruben and Voeckler still in the mix, yes?

Ruben is Ruben Plaza - 45 seconds ahead of the rest ?
gerry12ie

Also known as Ruben Plaza @ 66/1 to give him his full name Wink
mazda

Sorry - it is De Gendt, not Hansen.  Confused
mazda

I'll give you the gap over the top.
mazda

57 seconds.
Geschke attacked 1km from summit.
Sagan sprinted across to him.
So they are all following Sagan over the summit.
Can only help Ruben.

I wish they would stop showing the main peloton  Evil or Very Mad
gerry12ie

With all due respect, I would prefer to get a Nolte-style FP in with Paddy Power than you lot!! Very Happy
mazda

Ruben and then Sagan both overdo the same corner.
Lead for Plaza seems constant.
Tinkoff have broken the peloton.
The usual dozen are in the GC group.
mazda

Sagan really going for it now.
Only Pantano with him.
gerry12ie

Come on Ruben!
mazda

Ruben 500m ahead with only 1.5km to go.
gerry12ie

I love it when a Plaza comes together Very Happy

Thanks Mazda
mazda

Nibali attacking the GC group as they approach the summit.
mazda

As ever, after an attack drops Froome's helpers, they allow them to get back on and we have two skybots ahead of Froome now.
mazda

Valverde going for it now.
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
With all due respect, I would prefer to get a Nolte-style FP in with Paddy Power than you lot!! Very Happy


Yeah, but Nolte's a legend amongst his peers. I suppose the cash is some comfort in face of an anonymous win Wink

Nice one.

Sagan’s going to have to go the Tony Martin route to stage winning as no one wants to work with him.
mazda

Shocked
Barguil barges Thomas straight off the road on a corner.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
Shocked
Barguil barges Thomas straight off the road on a corner.


Is it as bad as it reads?
Quote:
Crash! Thomas has smashed his head into a telegraph pole on the verge. Barguil misjudged a bend and shouldered into Thomas, who could do nothing to avoid the collision. That looked nasty.
mazda

Dunno.
They haven't showed Thomas since then.
Gesink and Valverde leading the rest of the GC bunch into town.
Nibali still ahead by 10 to 20 seconds.
Gallopin 3 minutes behind and not going particularly quickly.
mazda

Can't be that bad.
Thomas and Konig (?) have just flown across the line.
Biosphere

Poels brought Thomas home.

Sky had already lost Kennaugh today, so it could have been quite disruptive to loss Thomas too.
HuwB

Well, I know Frenchmen like  to throw things at Sky, but that was a bit extreme.
That crash probably put and end to any GC ambition Thomas might have held and with it, hopefully, some of the "speculation".
He amazingly lost only 35 seconds and the corner protection helped. He didn't fall far, but smacking his head against a wooden telegraph pole at 40kph can't have had zero effect.

Mollema also had a few choice words for Barguil, too.
He did the same thing again and almost took Bauke out.
Carrying crazy speed into known dangerous corners.
Dumb in the extreme, given his own recent crash record.
phildange

Barguil said that TJ's front wheel touched his back wheel and this made him lose control . G. Thomas maybe saved Barguil's life BTW .
HuwB

phildange wrote:
Barguil said that TJ's front wheel touched his back wheel and this made him lose control . G. Thomas maybe saved Barguil's life BTW .


Yes, I think so, although it's not clear on replay and yes, given his speed and his line on that pole.
gerry12ie

The crash...


Link
Fontfroide

I looked a few times, and it does not seem that Tejay or whoever that rider is in red, came close to touching Barguil's anything.  Barguil, much as I like the young French rider, made a giant mistake on the corner.  Glad Thomas was not injured as as far as I can see it would have been entirely Barguil's fault, he just was in a very wrong place at a very wrong speed, for the corner.
HuwB

Looks more like trying to bomb into a corner from that.
Still needs to go back further, which we can't.

Anyhow, to lighter things:

Quote:
Quote of the day from @GeraintThomas86
"They'll probably ask me my name in a few minutes."
TV: Do you know it?
"Yeah it's Chris Froome"
Fontfroide

phildange wrote:
Barguil said that TJ's front wheel touched his back wheel and this made him lose control . G. Thomas maybe saved Barguil's life BTW .


Almost always, if the front wheel touches a rear wheel, it is the front wheel guy who has the problem.  the guy whose rear wheel was touched might not even feel it.  Tony Martin's crash, for example.  Bardet didn't even feel it.
phildange

Yes maybe the young Barguil took a stupid risk, for himself first, and seeing the result for another innocent, lied as a kid . Without Thomas we might say ex-Barguil now, like Monty Python's ex-parrot.

On an optimistic tone, it's remarkable how the spectators didn't use the absence of TV covering down there to destroy a wounded Sky horse . How things have changed : the TdF 1904, my favourite, had to stop because locals used to attack some riders, hit them or injure them to give their regional champ an advantage . That's what I call team spirit . It was a happy time : night departures, no TV, no team cars following, no radios, paradise .
phildange

More seriously here is what Barguil said, I didn't understand well the first time :
«J’ai voulu freiner mais juste avant le virage, Tejay Van Garderen m’a poussé avec l’épaule et j’ai perdu le levier de frein arrière. Une ou deux secondes mais je n’ai pas pu freiner"
(I wanted to brake but just before the curve TJ gave me a push with his shoulder and I lost the back brake lever . One second or two but I couldn't brake) .
I don't know if replays can go back enough to check about this prior pushing .
HuwB

I've watched the ITV highlights and followed Barguil and TJVG down the descent. They kept swapping spots in the line all the way to impact.
All rather pointless, imo.
But, imo, the bottom line is that he's not entirely honest.

https://vid.me/Zp3H

Clearly shows yes, there was a little "the contact", but speed and  control doesn't seem effected in any way. Slightly effected his line. That's about it I reckon.

Anyway, all well that ends well, I suppose. Come Wednesday, I guess we'll find out.
Bartali

Well I'm really glad he's okay and seemingly sill has a sense of humour  ... and a massive headache no doubt.
Boogerd_Fan

Hahaha sagan post race interview:

Why are you so strong?
Because I have big balls!

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