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Biosphere

Tour 2015, Stages 1-4: A Weekend Mini-Break, 4th-7th July

That's what Mrs Prudhomme thought she was getting when she overheard Mr. Prudhomme arranging something on the phone Wink

The heat probably won't be so important for a short stage on Saturday, but the rain might play a role. When I looked this morning, the Donner and Blitzen was forecast for 5pm in the afternoon, now it's forecast for the morning which basically means they've not got much of a clue, other than it's coming.



The profile is pan flat so probably a little bit more instructive to count the corners - not so many for 14km and too long for the sprinters.



Will add the stages as we go along. FPs are here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about5268.html
Nolte

If the weather in utrecht is anything like here, it'll rain most likely after people put out a tub of washing Wink

that'd be morning
Fontfroide

My guys say there will be thunderstorms in the afternoon, starting at 2.  I never believe them, even though they are often right.

Actually I am getting pretty excited, all the teams picked, information ready to deploy, gotten over Kittel not being there, Bouhanni not being fully there, and nearly everyone else ready for action.  Hard to figure out how this won't be a very good Tour, at last they are all present.
Biosphere

The running order for tomorrow is announced. Quintana goes early, whilst Contador, Froome and Nibali are together at the end of the day

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...not-bookend-time-trial-start-list
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Slapshot 3 wrote:
Boom gets blown off the tour for low Cortisol levels....

From L'equipe
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-su...oom-astana-prive-de-depart/571537

Addendum... in English

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/l...ur-de-france-over-cortisol-levels


Next headline will be Astana quit the MPCC.
After that Iglinsky farce the last time.


Can't see them not starting him given that he has a job to do on Stage 4. It was heading towards a farce anyway with the potential of Astana being the only team left in the MPCC!
HuwB

The Tour's forecast now says no storms:
ventoux

Astana team manager Alexandre Vinokourov has confirmed that Lars Boom will start the Tour de France despite failing a pre-race MPCC cortisol test.

Quelle Surprise!
Biosphere

So what are people thinking about Cavendish and where his form is. Keep on reading / hearing about how good it is, but I don't think he's yet won a World Tour sprint this year? Left him out of Noel's fantasy team partly for that reason and partly because of budget.
Biosphere

ventoux wrote:
Astana team manager Alexandre Vinokourov has confirmed that Lars Boom will start the Tour de France despite failing a pre-race MPCC cortisol test.

Quelle Surprise!


I couldn't have seen it going any other way given the stakes and that other teams have already set a precedent to ignore it (despite the other precedent from other teams that didn't ignore it).
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
So what are people thinking about Cavendish and where his form is. Keep on reading / hearing about how good it is, but I don't think he's yet won a World Tour sprint this year? Left him out of Noel's fantasy team partly for that reason and partly because of budget.


He looked in super form last weekend, but in terms of strength and endurance.
If an in form Kittel was there, I'd say no chance. Against the rest, if the team gets the lead out perfect, he should be able to finish off the odd stage. It's going to be tough, though.
Kristoff, Bouhanni, Greipel and co sure aren't going to be rolled over easily.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:

He looked in super form last weekend, but in terms of strength and endurance. . . .


That's exactly where I'm coming from. He mixed it with Classics riders and came out of it well, but mixing it with Froome's week 1 bodyguards is not the same as sprinting in my head. I was wondering if form was form and I was over complicating it. We'll see.
kathy

Weather in Utrecht looks about the same as the rest of Europe - hot!
HuwB

Van Emden's time is going to take some beating, although Dennis is running him close.

The hot weather here lasted one day. The West is totally different to the East. Another awful Summer so far. Sad
Biosphere

Tis over 35 degrees here today and has been for the week. We go to Mayo, Ireland for a week next Saturday. Forecast of 12 degrees for the week Mad
HuwB

Dennis ridiculously quick.
mr shifter

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Well his ride last weekend was a "WOW" to me and it looked like the form to compete for the Green Jersey.
To me he seems more interested in that Jersey than stage wins.
Why, because of the interview. (but I could be wrong)
To the idiot interviewer asking if Sundays ride showed people what he could do, was met by a complete disdainful stare and a casual reply "I thought with 25 TDF stage wins and a World Championship they already know.
And he wanted to say, cough out of here.

So my FP Points is Mark and will depend if he can stay with Sagan. ??
I do hope so.

Be Lucky
HuwB

By my reckoning, Dennis breaks the record for the fastest prologue which was:
Chris Boardman 55.152 km/h Lille - Euralille (7.2 km) in 1994.
But of course, this isn't a prologue, being twice as long.......
HuwB

Now confirmed as the new record for an ITT at 55.45kph.
Biosphere

Dennis had been aiming for this, but I don't think even he was expecting that Smile
Biosphere

Night time tests are happening!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...doping-tests-done-before-the-race

Pinot goes 8th fastest!
Boogerd_Fan

Good one from Pinot... + / - 20s on quintana
kathy

Does Kirby actualaly know anything about cycling?
HuwB

kathy wrote:
Does Kirby actualaly know anything about cycling?


Nope.
Impossible to fathom out how he holds the number 1 spot in the Eurosport commentator pecking order.
A complete joke.........or rather a complete joker, but zero cycling knowledge.

I've already committed to Sporza for the duration and I only understand about every 10th word.
Boogerd_Fan

It would be nice if there were some lessons learned from Kirby... e.g. seeing a rider with < KM to go... predicting senasational time... then backtracking when turns out its +1min over the benchmark time. Happens so often its painful!!
gerry12ie

Kirby is an over-excitable moron, and I'm not sure I can stick him for three weeks.  Just back from a southwest Atlantic week so thanks Bio for sticking in my FP's - Dennis was an inspired pin stick by the looks of it
HuwB

Martin slower than Dennis, it seems.
Biosphere

So an I the only one stomaching Phil and Paul?
gerry12ie

Now there's a choice to weigh up... Wink
Biosphere

I cracked and swapped to France 2. Don't understand a word but no loss. They interviewed Boom and I thought his eyes were going to spin out of his head he was so unable to keep them looking in one direction for even a fraction of a second Shocked  Wink
gerry12ie

Nibali steals a few early seconds - reminiscent of last year?  Nobody out of it yet despite Kirbys best efforts to give Quintana the lantern rouge...
HuwB

So, a handful of seconds between the main protagonists (Bardet excluded) is the sum total of this year's ITT kms.
An underwhelming start to this Tour.
Quintana is in the pound seats, as a result, I reckon.
Nolte

How did kirby get quintana's time so wrong? He kept repeating the 2 and a half minutes, it was getting me thinking that i was wrong with 1:01. It just seems to me he decided before quintana did a pedal stroke that it was going to be a bad time so, talking him down so much and talking valverde up so much.
Nolte

mr shifter wrote:
`
Well his ride last weekend was a "WOW" to me and it looked like the form to compete for the Green Jersey.
To me he seems more interested in that Jersey than stage wins.
Why, because of the interview. (but I could be wrong)
To the idiot interviewer asking if Sundays ride showed people what he could do, was met by a complete disdainful stare and a casual reply "I thought with 25 TDF stage wins and a World Championship they already know.
And he wanted to say, cough out of here.

So my FP Points is Mark and will depend if he can stay with Sagan. ??
I do hope so.

Be Lucky


what is a good thing i believe for cavendish and other sprinters is that sagan doesn't have a team built for him this time, this would be on those sprint days with the hills in the middle, you're not going to get the 100km train for sagan to put the other sprinters out of contention.

Also looking at the sprint points, they also come relatively early on most days in the mountains and hillier stages (except stage 17, 18, 19 and 20)
Mrs John Murphy

1. DENNIS Rohan 63 BMC RACING TEAM 14' 56''
2. MARTIN Tony 114 ETIXX-QUICK STEP 15' 01'' + 00' 05''
3. CANCELLARA Fabian 143 TREK FACTORY RACING 15' 02'' + 00' 06''
4. DUMOULIN Tom 85 TEAM GIANT-ALPECIN 15' 04'' + 00' 08''
5. VAN EMDEN Jos 138 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 15' 11'' + 00' 15''
6. ESPCASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan 53 MOVISTAR TEAM 15' 19'' + 00' 23''
7. BRÄNDLE Matthias 182 IAM CYCLING 15' 19'' + 00' 23''
8. MALORI Adriano 58 MOVISTAR TEAM 15' 25'' + 00' 29''
9. KELDERMAN Wilco 132 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 15' 26'' + 00' 30''
10. CUMMINGS Stephen 212 MTN-QHUBEKA 15' 28'' + 00' 32''
11. GESINK Robert 131 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 15' 29'' + 00' 33''
12. THOMAS Geraint 39 TEAM SKY 15' 29'' + 00' 33''
13. DOWSETT Alex 54 MOVISTAR TEAM 15' 32'' + 00' 36''
14. MOLLEMA Bauke 141 TREK FACTORY RACING 15' 33'' + 00' 37''
15. JUNGELS Bob 147 TREK FACTORY RACING 15' 34'' + 00' 38''
16. VAN BAARLE Dylan 169 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 15' 34'' + 00' 38''
17. URAN URAN Rigoberto 118 ETIXX-QUICK STEP 15' 36'' + 00' 40''
18. PINOT Thibaut 21 FDJ 15' 37'' + 00' 41''
19. SAGAN Peter 47 TINKOFF-SAXO 15' 37'' + 00' 41''
20. VAN GARDEREN Tejay 61 BMC RACING TEAM 15' 38'' + 00' 42''

Virtual GC

1. DENNIS Rohan 63 BMC RACING TEAM 14' 56''
9. KELDERMAN Wilco 132 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 15' 26'' + 00' 30''
11. GESINK Robert 131 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 15' 29'' + 00' 33''
14. MOLLEMA Bauke 141 TREK FACTORY RACING 15' 33'' + 00' 37''
17. URAN URAN Rigoberto 118 ETIXX-QUICK STEP 15' 36'' + 00' 40''
18. PINOT Thibaut 21 FDJ 15' 37'' + 00' 41''
20. VAN GARDEREN Tejay 61 BMC RACING TEAM 15' 38'' + 00' 42''
21. KONIG Leopold 33 TEAM SKY 15' 39'' + 00' 43''
22. NIBALI Vincenzo 1 ASTANA PRO TEAM 15' 39'' + 00' 43''
31. KRUIJSWIJK Steven 133 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 15' 41'' + 00' 45''
39. FROOME Christopher 31 TEAM SKY 15' 46'' + 00' 50''
43. VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 59 MOVISTAR TEAM 15' 52'' + 00' 56''
46. CONTADOR Alberto 41 TINKOFF-SAXO 15' 54'' + 00' 58''
50. PÉRAUD Jean-Christophe 11 AG2R LA MONDIALE 15' 55'' + 00' 59''
57. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 51 MOVISTAR TEAM 15' 57'' + 01' 01''
87. HESJEDAL Ryder 164 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 16' 11'' + 01' 15''
90. TALANSKY Andrew 161 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 16' 11'' + 01' 15''
125. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 91 TEAM KATUSHA 16' 22'' + 01' 26''
127. BARGUIL WARREN 82 TEAM GIANT-ALPECIN 16' 23'' + 01' 27''
145. BARDET Romain 12 AG2R LA MONDIALE 16' 30'' + 01' 34''

Virtual GC gaps

Kelderman
Gesink  + 0.03
Mollema + 0.07
Uran + 0.10
Pinot +0.11
Van Garderen + 0.12
Konig + 0.13
Nibali +0.13
Kruijswijk +0.15
Froome + 0.20
Valverde + 0.26
Contador + 0.28
Peraud +0.29
Quintana +0.31
Hesjedal +0.45
Talansky +0.45
Rodriguez +0.54
Barguil +0.57
Bardet +1.04
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
So an I the only one stomaching Phil and Paul?
No but I have choices,-them or chuckles or mute.
I keep the remote to hand to jump ES to ITV 4 (Ph&Pa) but on return I might be lucky to find Sean Kelly.
We are stuck with sommit called Freeview (more chanels) a money making adaption the Government forced on us with Digital viewing.
This means that all channels synchronise their Advert Breaks and this is noticeable even with ES & ITV. (or whatever, except BBC live)
mr shifter

Nolte wrote:

what is a good thing i believe for cavendish and other sprinters is that sagan doesn't have a team built for him this time, this would be on those sprint days with the hills in the middle, you're not going to get the 100km train for sagan to put the other sprinters out of contention.

Also looking at the sprint points, they also come relatively early on most days in the mountains and hillier stages (except stage 17, 18, 19 and 20)
I noted that also.
mazda

Amazing effect the crowd had on all the Dutch riders.

I actually like listening to Kirby. He's by far the best talker. It is easy to find something to criticise when you don't like someone.
The Quintana gap somehow came out of a Pinot interview, as they cut away from the interview it mentioned that Quintana had lost 2'20.
I don't know if the interviewer or translator said it. I suspect it is probably Quintana's time minus the course distance, or something like that.
However one wonders why they didn't have a list of all the finishing times and so could work it out themselves.
HuwB

Early signs are that tomorrow is going to be very windy along the Dutch coast. Smile
Mrs John Murphy

Nolte wrote:


what is a good thing i believe for cavendish and other sprinters is that sagan doesn't have a team built for him this time, this would be on those sprint days with the hills in the middle, you're not going to get the 100km train for sagan to put the other sprinters out of contention.

Also looking at the sprint points, they also come relatively early on most days in the mountains and hillier stages (except stage 17, 18, 19 and 20)


I would have agreed in normal circumstances but given how Tinkoff wants to win every stage by a huge margin and is generally crazy, I can certainly see the team working for Sagan.
Fontfroide

Well, in France we have the chatterbox, Thierry Adam.  But I have already made the point many times that I think that chatterbox, time filler job is a hopeless one in cycling.  No one could do a good job of it.

We also have Laurent Jalabert, who besides knowing something about cycling, does a reasonable job of keeping Adam in check.

This year Jean Paul Olivier was replaced.  He is a totally lovable institution in the business, the guy who tells you details about churches, big houses and so forth, and who has written books, many historical books.

We now have Eric Fottorino, who has also written cycling books including one brilliant one called Petit éloge de la bicyclette. He has recently ridden the entire route of the Tour and was formerly editor of Le Monde.  He should be good.  [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éric_Fottorino[/url]

I still miss Laurent Fignon.  I also hear that David Millar is pretty good.[/i]
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Early signs are that tomorrow is going to be very windy along the Dutch coast. Smile


Yes, I've just been looking at the weather. The weathermen also still seem to be giving some consideration to the Donner and Blitzen for the afternoon but that's more at the Utrecht end.

Again no point in posting a profile as it only once breaks through 5m above sea level (to reach the giddy heights of 6m) on the official profile. The route for the day.

Boogerd_Fan

there might be no hills, but that is not an easy course - crosswinds!
gerry12ie

yr.no suggest that there shouldn't be much of a wind




I'm sure Quickstep and the Lottos will do all they can to force breaks if there is any wind, so with all the GC teams trying to stay up front as well we will surely see the first instalment of the TDF Week 1 crashfest...
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
yr.no suggest that there shouldn't be much of a wind . . .


Yeah, but weathermen are chancing their arms as much as we are with our FPs Wink
Mrs John Murphy

So the question is which GC contender is going to lose a bunch of time by getting caught out in a split.

My guess - Quintana and/or Pinot
HuwB

The weather profile from the Letour website.



Less wind but more stormy.
HuwB

On the other hand:

Quote:
@thejensie 19m19 minutes ago
TdF 2015. took that pic at the 1km to go sign. Anybody see that little red/white band top/right?! Means crosswind!!

(nicked from BR)
gerry12ie

Yikes!

I wouldn't want to be within 10 metres of a Movistar rider in that case...
HuwB

Yup.
Lemond now saying the wind is going to be a major factor today.
Hope it's like the Giro stage in 2010.
HuwB

Break already sorted. Just like the last time they raced in these parts.
mr shifter

HuwB wrote:
Break already sorted. Just like the last time they raced in these parts.
Any sign of the Dog, yet. ??
Biosphere

ITV gone live. The wind is the main story of the day for them. Their supplementary story of the day is that BMC said their GPS data recorded 300m less than the roadbook and Boardman might still have the fastest ITT record.
HuwB

Daniel Friebe ‏@friebos · 43m43 minutes ago
Wind absolutely howling. Might need a calendar to measure time gaps tonight. #TDF

Nicely remembered, Mr S.
HuwB

Echelons already forming at 105kms to go.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Break already sorted. Just like the last time they raced in these parts.


with the teams represented in the break, iam, europcar, bretagne and bora, i'm not surprised that it stuck on first attempt.

maybe the one team disappointed being mtn not to  be in it

its getting started
gerry12ie

Here we go - Saxo kicking it off...
Nolte

quintana in front group - tinkoff and sky pushing it

not a time for a puncture

valverde in group 2 i think
kathy

Valverde lucky to get back - he would have been out of it if Tinkoff and Sky had kept it up.
Nolte

indeed

degenkolb takes best green jersey contender from kristoff, sagan, cavendish, bouhanni and coquard though the four early breakaway were top 4
Biosphere

Inner Ring wrote:
the stage ends on an artificial island braced by flood defences on which the approach road arrives. It’s flat and supremely exposed to the sea breeze. But the real obstacles are the roundabouts before the bunch hits the sea wall, there are six between the 10km and 5km to go point. Again this raises the crash danger but the position risk matters as a rider with the wrong line can lose 20 places in no time and never get back.
Biosphere

Weather looking foul. 60km of this could result in carnage. Sky losing riders from the first group.

Hansen fell heavily on shoulder. Looking shaken.

Edit: Quintana 40' back in second group.
Boogerd_Fan

They will do well to hold that 40s

Lotto + astana pulling a group.. just not sure which one Wink @20s... with quintana already @ 1:05
HuwB

Well, this is turning out to be quite interesting.
Two of the big four, plus Piti and all the French are going to take a hit.
The only question is: How big?
Mrs John Murphy

Although it brings some others into the equation - Uran and Barguil are both up there alongside Vroome and Dertie
Mrs John Murphy

Nibali getting a puncture. We can safely say goodbye to his challenge
Biosphere

What a shitty day for him. Will he will be penalised for drafting?
Fontfroide

Just got in, 10k ago.  Goodness, we certainly do have a wee adventure on a stage that was supposed to end in a mass sprint.  Although some said, rain, wind etc, and looks like they were right.  Goodness.  This could be a good stage and a good Tour already.
Fontfroide

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
So the question is which GC contender is going to lose a bunch of time by getting caught out in a split.

My guess - Quintana and/or Pinot


Well a good guess.  Things are hotting up already.  I can get excited, right?
Biosphere

Greipel wins. Cancellara 3rd and into yellow. The second group shed 1:26.
HuwB

Cav confirms his lack of speed.
Meanwhile, the lack of a proper ITT is nullified.
Contador the quids in winner, overall.

Contador at 4 seconds apparently.
gerry12ie

Fascinating.  Cancellara back in his habitual first week MJ?  Some big losers back down the road but I don't think they are all dead and buried yet...

For the last few years now the first week of the Tour has thrown up some very imaginative and decisive stages.  Great stuff
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Contador the quids in winner, overall. . .


Doesn't he split the spoils with Froome? That 4s number must be a mistake.

So if Cavendish had not backed off, Martin would finally have bagged a yellow.
kathy

Cav had to go too early, but his sloppy finishing was not good for Martin!
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
HuwB wrote:
Contador the quids in winner, overall. . .


Doesn't he split the spoils with Froome? That 4s number must be a mistake.

So if Cavendish had not backed off, Martin would finally have bagged a yellow.


Someone left the wheel go and Bertie was behind.
In fact, watching it again, Bertie was pulling himself inside out, but couldn't stay the pace.
Boogerd_Fan

Good day for Sagan despite the puncture with 17km to go... no max pts for cavendish... and a 2nd at the finish, what wouldnt be possible without that split i reckon
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Someone left the wheel go and Bertie was behind.
In fact, watching it again, Bertie was pulling himself inside out, but couldn't stay the pace.


Alles Klar. The Contador quids in comment made me think the implication was he was 4s on GC.
Mrs John Murphy

So a virtual GC of

7. URAN URAN Rigoberto 118 ETIXX-QUICK STEP 03h 44' 43'' + 00' 42''
8. VAN GARDEREN Tejay 61 BMC RACING TEAM 03h 44' 45'' + 00' 44''
10. FROOME Christopher 31 TEAM SKY 03h 44' 49'' + 00' 48''
14. CONTADOR Alberto 41 TINKOFF-SAXO 03h 45' 01'' + 01' 00''
22. BARGUIL WARREN 82 TEAM GIANT-ALPECIN 03h 45' 26'' + 01' 25''
28. GESINK Robert 131 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 03h 46' 00'' + 01' 59''
30. MOLLEMA Bauke 141 TREK FACTORY RACING 03h 46' 04'' + 02' 03''
31. PINOT Thibaut 21 FDJ 03h 46' 08'' + 02' 07''
32. KONIG Leopold 33 TEAM SKY 03h 46' 10'' + 02' 09''
33. NIBALI Vincenzo 1 ASTANA PRO TEAM 03h 46' 10'' + 02' 09''
39. VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 59 MOVISTAR TEAM 03h 46' 23'' + 02' 22''
41. PÉRAUD Jean-Christophe 11 AG2R LA MONDIALE 03h 46' 26'' + 02' 25''
44. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 51 MOVISTAR TEAM 03h 46' 28'' + 02' 27''
45. SANCHEZ Samuel 66 BMC RACING TEAM 03h 46' 31'' + 02' 30''
55. TALANSKY Andrew 161 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 03h 46' 42'' + 02' 41''
71. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 91 TEAM KATUSHA 03h 46' 53'' + 02' 52''
78. BARDET Romain 12 AG2R LA MONDIALE 03h 47' 01'' + 03' 00''
95. KELDERMAN Wilco 132 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 03h 49' 33'' + 05' 32''
104. KRUIJSWIJK Steven 133 TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 03h 49' 48'' + 05' 47''
132. HESJEDAL Ryder 164 TEAM CANNONDALE-GARMIN 03h 50' 18'' + 06' 17''
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
What a shitty day for him. Will he will be penalised for drafting?


i'd be quite interested in how sagan got back in without breaking a sweat though cameras went away at that point
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:

So if Cavendish had not backed off, Martin would finally have bagged a yellow.
I wouldn't like to be Cav in that bus at the moment.
They did all that work for him and the selfish little b*stard could only give up and Freewheel over the Finish Line which allowed Spartacus to gain 4 seconds over team mate Tony Martin.
He will be told he is no team player. Thumb down  bom
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:

So if Cavendish had not backed off, Martin would finally have bagged a yellow.
I wouldn't like to be Cav in that bus at the moment.
They did all that work for him and the selfish little b*stard could only give up and Freewheel over the Finish Line which allowed Spartacus to gain 4 seconds over team mate Tony Martin.
He will be told he is no team player. Thumb down  bom


And Cavendish should answer that the team left him in a crap position. Will be awkward at the dinner table tonight  Smile
Fontfroide

You are right, Cav not going to best loved or happy tonight.  I wonder if he just forgot, just plain forgot he should finish the stage to stop Fabian.  I thought Cav was casually looking to his right for at least the last second or two, as Fabian crept up on him.  Bad riding.  

Guess that means he is going to have to win two stages now to make up for it.
Nolte

Fontfroide wrote:
You are right, Cav not going to best loved or happy tonight.  I wonder if he just forgot, just plain forgot he should finish the stage to stop Fabian.  I thought Cav was casually looking to his right for at least the last second or two, as Fabian crept up on him.  Bad riding.  

Guess that means he is going to have to win two stages now to make up for it.


it was an interesting in relation to the green jersey, probably those 2 points aren't going to make a difference but who knows
Fontfroide

So Bouhanni was in the first group and fell???  Is that right?
HuwB

Fontfroide wrote:
So Bouhanni was in the first group and fell???  Is that right?


Bouhanni's fall caused the big split almost brought down Nibali in the process.
I don't think he'll be getting a Christmas card from either Sicily or Kazakhstan, this year.

Fuglsang: Bouhanni tried to pass us [Astana] in a roundabout and crashed. Vincenzo just avoided it but created a gap." #TDF2015
HuwB

Tomorrow's little jaunt. TV coverage from the start to the finish.



Fontfroide

Oh dear, so Bouhanni's crash created the gap which led to the 1.27 gap.  Have to look for that on the replay if I stay up late enough to play it.  Thanks.
Biosphere

Cycling News make a stab at the real GC

1 Rigoberto Uran (Col) Etixx - Quick-Step 3:44:43
2 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:00:02
3 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 0:00:06
4 Alberto Contador (Spa) Tinkoff-Saxo 0:00:18
5 Robert Gesink (Ned) Team LottoNL-Jumbo 0:01:17
6 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Trek Factory Racing 0:01:21
7 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ.fr 0:01:25
8 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:01:27
9 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:40
10 Jean-Christophe Peraud (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:01:43
11 Nairo Quintana (Col) Movistar Team (+13) 0:01:45
12 Richie Porte (Aus) Team Sky 0:01:50
13 Andrew Talansky (USA) Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling Team 0:01:59
14 Joaquim Rodriguez (Spa) Team Katusha 0:02:10
15 Romain Bardet (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:02:18
16 Wilco Kelderman (Ned) Team LottoNL-Jumbo 0:04:50
17 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Trek Factory Racing 0:05:21
18 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 0:06:06
Mrs John Murphy

Is it 2006 or something because since when has Zubeldia been considered a GC contender?
Biosphere

8th last year, 6th in 2012. I would guess they are looking at those with a chance of Top 10 finish?
gerry12ie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
Is it 2006 or something because since when has Zubeldia been considered a GC contender?


I'm surprised at you of all people.  This is the new cycling - it is always 2006 Wink
Mrs John Murphy

Seems odd that they would leave out: Barguil, Konig and RH, in favour of Porte and Zubeldia. Unless they are included to make sure the Trek fans and Aussies don't tune out.
Fontfroide

I am sure each editorial board has its preferences and two guys probably decided who to put in over a quick coffee in some London office with a big TV.

I would put Porte in after last year and the fact that he is really good, maybe.  Zubeldia, what's the point, although he in fact just keeps riding and suddenly at the end he is in the top ten (a superb reason to put him in).  Konig, seriously why put him in?  He works for Sky.  Barguil is in his first Tour and although he is talked up quite a bit, he claims he is there for stage wins this year.  And experience.  He did win two mountain stages in a Vuelta once.  Personally I would have added him to the list.

Sorry I have no idea who RH is.
HuwB

Ryder Hesjedal, FF.
"The Missing" was mostly shot in Huy. I was very disappointed that the Mur wasn't in a single scene.
mazda

Dramatic day of racing. Exactly what we want to see.
Regarding Cav going early / running out of lead out.
Having watched the last km just the once I'd say Kwiat, Martin and a.n.other were leading things out on one side and then Renshaw and Cav appeared on their own on the other side with Lotto in between.
So lack of co-ordination, or a rare error by Renshaw ?

With the two climbs at the end tomorrow Sagan possibly into yellow, or Dumoulin given his TdS form ?
mazda

HuwB wrote:
Ryder Hesjedal, FF.
"The Missing" was mostly shot in Huy. I was very disappointed that the Mur wasn't in a single scene.

I did wonder where that was shot. There were a few distinctive features but I never made the link.
Fontfroide

Ta Huw, should've thought of him.

A fact from the Daily Data Wrap I signed up for.

Cancellara (TFR) recorded the top speed in the sprint finish today with
a speed of 69.16 km/h; higher than that of stage winner André Greipel (LTS).
Boogerd_Fan

Cav with sour grapes... watch the last 500m... maybe Renshaw was slowing down, but he chose to pop out from behind him and start sprinting.. not that Renshaw swerved off the front. Cav darted to other side road and Greipel, Sagan and Fab had enough speed to come around.
Fontfroide

mazda wrote:

Regarding Cav going early / running out of lead out.
Having watched the last km just the once I'd say Kwiat, Martin and a.n.other were leading things out on one side and then Renshaw and Cav appeared on their own on the other side with Lotto in between.
So lack of co-ordination, or a rare error by Renshaw ?


You are right.  There were two Etixxx leadout trains at the every end, one with Cav and Renshaw and other with the other Etixxxx guys.  No connection at the end.  Mind you, Martin would have been done by then anyway, I think he was just trying to shadow Cancellara.  Even one of the other Etixx guys should have dropped out too.  Renshaw normally takes Cav at the end.  But yes indeed, at least the Etix guys could have impeded other riders by drifting back.
Mrs John Murphy

Fontfroide wrote:
I am sure each editorial board has its preferences and two guys probably decided who to put in over a quick coffee in some London office with a big TV.

I would put Porte in after last year and the fact that he is really good, maybe.  Zubeldia, what's the point, although he in fact just keeps riding and suddenly at the end he is in the top ten (a superb reason to put him in).  Konig, seriously why put him in?  He works for Sky.  Barguil is in his first Tour and although he is talked up quite a bit, he claims he is there for stage wins this year.  And experience.  He did win two mountain stages in a Vuelta once.  Personally I would have added him to the list.

Sorry I have no idea who RH is.


Konig GT results:

2013 Vuelta - 9th
2014 RDF - 7th
2015 Giro - 6th

Porte
2010 Giro - 7th
2011 Giro - 81st
       TDF - 72nd
2012 TDF - 89th
       Vuelta - 68th
2013 TDF - 19th
2014 TDF - 23rd
2015 Giro - WD

So Porte with 1 top ten finish in 5 years is more important than Konig with 3 top ten finishes in 3 GTs.

Porte is only in there because he is English speaking. If his name was Richard La Porte (fra) with that palmares he's not being stuck on that list.

If you are going to include second tier Sky riders then Konig is more likely to be there at the pointy end of the race than Porte.
Fontfroide

Konig does better than I thought.

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