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Tour 2014, Stages 4-7: Trappist Ales and Quiche Lorraine

So in Le Grand Scheme of things, I probably should have put Champagne in the title rather Trappist Ales, but since I rarely touch the stuff I will go with my prejudices on what constitutes a good tipple and to reflect that Stage 5 is probably the one that we will be talking about anyway.


Stage 4, Tuesday, July 8th: Le Touquet-Paris-Plage / Lille Métropole - 163.5km
Thierry Gouvenou wrote:
A place for each car and each car in its place
The English adventure is over. The Tour reaches French soil with a stage which will take the peloton from Le Touquet-Paris-Plage to Lille. Truth be told, I think the sprinters will manage to lock down the race. This is one of the trends in modern cycling, even if we, as the organisers, would rather see more hectic racing. Nevertheless, riders at the top of the general classification will have to pull out all the stops to defend their position, which will determine the place for each team car behind the peloton in the next stage. The importance of this order will become apparent the moment a rider has a mechanical on the 15.4 km of cobblestones.

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Stage 5, Wednesday, July 9th: Ypres / Arenberg Porte du Hainaut - 155.5km
Thierry Gouvenou wrote:
A stage riddled with dangers
The time has come for the famous stage and its nine cobbled sectors, which promise, dare I say it, a "battlefield". It all starts in Ypres, Belgium, a city notorious for the gas attacks launched in it. It would have been unacceptable for the Tour not to commemorate the Centenary of the start of World War I in its own way... However, we will focus on the race, which promises to be a spectacular showdown. I do not expect Froome to thrive on the cobblestones but, who knows, he may want to...

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Stage 6, Thursday, July 10th: Arras / Reims - 194.0km
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One for the brave
I have already talked of teams built around sprinters... Well then, I would not be surprised to see a breakaway stick on the day after the cobblestones stage, as we continue to commemorate the centenary on the roads of the Battle of the Somme and the Chemin des Dames. Yes, this is a stage for the brave, with lots of twists and turns towards the end, so the wind could also play a role... If attackers happen to come up short, a power sprinter may prevail on the long, leg-breaking false flat on...

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Stage 7, Friday, July 11th: Épernay / Nancy - 234.5km
Thierry Gouvenou wrote:
Two big climbs
It is not just the 234.5 km distance which will make this stage hard to control. There will be two tough climbs in the run-up to the finish. The gradient on one of them, five kilometres from the line, hits 8%. With this course, will the sprinters' team take the reins of the race and risk seeing their leaders blow up on the last slopes? It remains to be seen. With two weeks of racing left, some teams may have started dosing their efforts by the time we reach this point. All in all, I expect...

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HuwB

Rain forecast for the d'Arenberg stage with.............60-75kph wind. Shocked
http://belgique.lachainemeteo.com...revisions-meteo-ypres-88833-2.php
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HuwB wrote:
Rain forecast for the d'Arenberg stage with.............60-75kph wind. Shocked
http://belgique.lachainemeteo.com...revisions-meteo-ypres-88833-2.php


Prime for a deviation......
Biosphere

I saw chatter last night that today would be windy too with a risk of echelons in the latter stages.
HuwB

Froome crashes and lands on his recent, Dauphine injury.
Could well be a decisive moment in this Tour.

Bauke Mollema also appears to have been down, although it's not clear, yet.
gerry12ie

Ticker says crosswinds!
HuwB

The whole of OPQS had to go back for Kwiatkowski, who had picked up a puncture.
Wet at the finish for the sprint.
HuwB

Kittel only just manages to get up to beat Kristoff, with Demare finally showing up, in 3rd.
Sagan's tactic of getting on the German's wheel early and staying there continues to pay off.
Although the green jersey wearer did have a late spill.
HuwB

The current state of play:


Have fun, boys.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
Kittel only just manages to get up to beat Kristoff, with Demare finally showing up, in 3rd.
Sagan's tactic of getting on the German's wheel early and staying there continues to pay off.
Although the green jersey wearer did have a late spill.


i think kristoff was helped by renshaw on his wheel thinking it was a two up track sprint against kittel Very Happy renshaw kept looking back in the last 500 meters to kittel.
Nolte

HuwB wrote:
The current state of play:


Have fun, boys.


when it comes to the cobbles, the question for some of the specialists is responsibility v personal ambition

so van marcke would look good on paper but team responsibility is bauke mollema. van summeran and langevelde's main role will be to help talansky. greg van avermaet is there for tj van garderen. terpstra is probably going to be working for kwiatkowski (but i don't think kwiatkowski is too shabby a cobble rider either)

so riders free of this are cancellara, sagan, degenkolb, demare (12th this year in paris-roubaix)
Bartali

Be interesting to see how Froome's wrist will stand up to that ....
Boogerd_Fan

Bartali wrote:
Be interesting to see how Froome's wrist will stand up to that ....


I'm pretty certain Astana and Tinkoff will be looking to find out very early on in the 9 sections.
Biosphere

Horribly busy week at work. 11.5 hours in office yesterday and I tend to do a blackout so I can watch later as live (with the benefit of a fast forward button). To make matters worse I have forgotten to set timer for today so I will have to talk Mrs. through setting it up over phone. It will be like one of those disaster Airport movies when the Ted Stryker character steps up to the plate Wink

Anyway, Froome is going to come under pressure from the others to see how his wrist is holding up, but if the talk of slippy as ice cobbles and chaos as the classics specialists go for the stage comes to pass, then the GC contender focus might be more on surviving than trying to force an advantage?
HuwB

Le Tour's forecast is somewhat optimistic compared to the one I've seen:



Quote:
Fresh and very rainy stage, even on the paving stones.
Westerly wind 20 to 30 kph, up to 50km/h on the belgian part.
Temperature around 14 degrees only.


Map:


Detailed map:


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SlowRower

Call me childish, but I really want Froome to get gapped by the other GC contenders today and then just fail to get back on, after burning up the rest of team and then lose lots of time on the run-in. Then it will be clear that not picking Wiggo and his extra horsepower was a mistake!

If this doesn't happen then I fear that Sir Dave will be proved correct.
mazda

Ok - "you are being childish, now go and tidy your room".

It is time for "Prisoner's Dilemma" day.
Everyone is so busy trying to keep safe (ha!) that they end up causing the peloton to cross the cobbles in the most dangerous way.

The cobbles is one area where the unwritten rules say you can take advantage of others misfortune.

Not dissimilar to SR I'd like to see Sky, or others, take the cobbles slowly and then team time trial in between.
But that ain't going to happen  Evil or Very Mad

Who is the patron of the peloton these days ?
Cancellara surely isn't going to suggest they take it easy, is he ?
He and Sagan will be looking for a win, or yellow.
However the fact there is a GC hanging on the result, rather than a P-R win, will change the dynamics.
mr shifter

Two cobbled sectors removed from stage 5 of Tour de France due to weather conditions.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...-france-due-to-weather-conditions
mr shifter

HuwB wrote:
The whole of OPQS had to go back for Kwiatkowski, who had picked up a puncture.
Wet at the finish for the sprint.
That Giant-Shimano leave Kittel to get on with it.
The 2nd Rider they have finishing in 43rd is Tom Dumoulin.
mr shifter

mr shifter wrote:
That
Delete, Why because this forum said.
You cannot make another post so soon after the last post.
Try again shortly. ???
MrsSR

SlowRower wrote:
Call me childish, but I really want Froome to get gapped by the other GC contenders today and then just fail to get back on, after burning up the rest of team and then lose lots of time on the run-in. Then it will be clear that not picking Wiggo and his extra horsepower was a mistake!

If this doesn't happen then I fear that Sir Dave will be proved correct.

Even I'm fed up with this. If you don't stop you'll go an sit on the naughty step. Wiggo's not there - get over it.  Rolling Eyes
HuwB

Originally 2 and  now 4 of the cobbled sections have been taken out due to the weather.
Sort of like planning a mountain stage, then taking the  mountains out.
HuwB

Froome crashes early again, today.
The other side, this time.
One thing's for sure, he ain't winning this race.
gerry12ie

I presume the polite waiting up will go out the window once they hit the cobbles?
HuwB

Froome crashes again and abandons.
gerry12ie

Chris Froome out of the Tour de France
SlowRower

Froome isn't my favourite rider, but it's always sad to see someone succomb to cumulative crash damage.

Geraint Thomas - This is it. Ditch Porte and claim team leadership!
mazda

Time for Sky to put Plan B into action ...
SlowRower

mazda wrote:
Time for Sky to put Plan B into action ...


What's that then? Claim the target for late July was the Commonwealth Games IP all along? Smile
mazda

Nieve Wink
HuwB

Chapeau Nibali.
Right at the pointy end and looking to beat up on Bertie.
gerry12ie

I hate work
mazda

Are Belkin driving the peloton ?
Sounds good.
gerry12ie

Forza Nibali
mazda

Anyone know where Valverde is ?
Fontfroide

I am no great fan of Chris Froome, and am not the biggest fan of Mark Cavendish.  However, I have no sympathy whatsoever with anyone, for any reason, who glories or is happy when a rider crashes out of the Tour.  Or any race of any kind.  I don't think it is even the least bit humorous.  Nor am I happy with a rugby player gets injured.  I just don't think it is right or civilised, and while I am not going to get depressed about it, its only a bike race, riders falling all over the place is not my idea of race.

Jalabert saying Froome "preferred" to leave the race, not taking account of him being injured, was particularly crass.

Voila, I guess I have strong feelings and tomorrow I will be glad the crashes happened (ironic smiley).  I apologise for ranting.  Not directed at anyone except Jalabert.

Still, makes dramatic TV.
Mrs John Murphy

LOL
Fontfroide

Just saw Porte in the Contador Van Garderen group.
gerry12ie

Sounds epic. How does it compare with either the Strade Bianche or Aquila stages of Giro 2010? I still hate work btw...
mazda

Shock and awe from Astana.
Fontfroide

Nibali outriding the lot of them, including the "specialists".  A little surprising.  And he seems to have (some of) his team STILL with him.
mazda

Be nice for Nibs to give the yellow jersey to Fuglsang.
Fontfroide

Nibali even finished with short sleeves.  A macho dude!
Bartali

RESULT!!! Smile
HuwB

The Big Two: One dead, the other partially buried.
I guess Vino said something really special on the team bus.
Dropping Cancellara and Sagan, not on anybody's script.

Epic day's racing. Nibali: The racer's racer.
SlowRower

Bartali wrote:
RESULT!!! Smile


What no multi-coloured NIBALIs? Smile

Or are you pacing yourself in anticipation of a long, successful campaign for your man?
Fontfroide

HuwB wrote:
The Big Two: One dead, the other partially buried.
I guess Vino said something really special on the team bus.
Dropping Cancellara and Sagan, not on anybody's script.

Epic day's racing. Nibali: The racer's racer.


Well said.
Bartali

Wot Huw said.  For once, fortune favours the brave!! Smile

SR - I'm at work so only have B&W Wink
sabcarrera

Nibali's bike skills aren't unexpected. I remember him in his Giro win coming off his bike and jumping back on while others were losing their nerve. His descent skills are well known.
I'm surprised people think Wiggins would have been an asset in these conditions.

3 things about Sky

Grouping round the team captain isn't always a good tactic.

Starvation training isn't a good idea in cold weather

Track riding doesn't always transfer to the road
mazda

Bartali wrote:
Wot Huw said.  For once, fortune favours the brave!! Smile

Indeed  Smile
On one corner his team mate went out ahead of him.
Soon after Haussler slid out behind him.
All you can say is that Nibs has better bike handling than either of them and a little bit of fortune on his side.

What with the Vosges coming up quite soon we are having a cracking start to the race.
Boogerd_Fan

Nibali is always good in the wet.. he put everyone to the sword in Trentino last year in similar unpleasant conditions.

Not really a surprise he was up there. At a stretch, Fuglsang has some previous too from his non-road days.

Sagan winning sprint for 4th, satisfactory result that extends the lead @ Green Jersey on a key day when Kittel wouldnt score.

Overall a freaking awesome day, bonus being Froome is out. Bertie has a lot to do.. so roll on the attacking - has Nibali used up too much too soon? That almost looked targetted - as we've seen before, Nibs very rarely wins big in the mountains. Looks like they targetted today as a day that could result in minute gaps, and it worked completely!
SlowRower

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
...has Nibali used up too much too soon?


I doubt he worked harder than the other GC contenders yesterday, particularly Berto and Porte, who had to do a lot of chasing. Nibs did the textbook thing of always being near the front so he never had to chase or close down gaps.
mazda

Getting a bit ahead of things.

But if Nibali completes the GT set, do you think he has it in him to win a Paris-Roubaix as well ?
Or was it the rain that made the difference ?

I'm not saying he enjoyed yesterday in the same way that, say, Boom or Thomas did, but he looked so comfortable.
Mrs John Murphy

I don't see why not. Although as he is Astana's main GT rider would they consider the risk to the worth the reward. I'd love to see more of the name riders taking the classics seriously.
gerry12ie

Well a huge feature of recent years is the notable lack of GT and monument wins in rider's palmares and Nibali looks like the only one of the current crop that might rectify that.  Maybe my generation was spoiled by the exploits of Merckx and later Hinault but I would really love to see a dominant GT rider competing meaningfully in the classics.  Cillian Kelly did a piece on it some years ago...

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2009/11/a-tourmonument-double/
Mrs John Murphy

Call it the curse of Mig and Armstrong.

Ironically of course the GT rider with the classic to his name is a GT rider without a GT to his name.
Nolte

4 man break away, giant have 4 riders riding tempo on the front.
with kittel's 3 stage victory in 3 sprints, will other teams want to help them out
Nolte

zandio having problems getting up from crash.
kathy

Carnage again today.
gerry12ie

Aye, Contador loses Hernandez
mazda

Suggestions he lost consciousness for a while.
HuwB

Once it rains and the road turns, there is disaster.
Another fast, nervous stage and ironically the casualty list is longer than
for the pave, but without the excitement.
Fontfroide

Looks my French sprinters have something to learn.  Demare gets dropped, probably due to at least one crash I saw, but also due to lack of experience maybe.  Getting dropped, and also Thibaut losing time is not a great outcome for FDJ.  

Looks like all that is left for Rolland is a giant attack in the big hills, or go for the mountains jersey.  He really is not very bright not full of a sense of strategy, although the mountains jersey is still for the taking.

Coquard seems to have the idea and even have the legs.  But poor Kevin Reza, he was exactly where a leadout man should be with a few hundred metres left, at the very front.  But looking about, he seems to have lost Coquard.  They need practice.  Both of them seem good enough, but not very co-ordinated.  Maybe with Rolland having not much chance on the GC, they might give him another helper.  And still Coquard did well.  Imagine how happy the French will be if all three of their big new sprinters were in the same race.  And one of their "old" ones, Dumoulin, seems to still capable of something pretty good.  Vive la France.

All in all, looks like a good Tour. Assuming Contador can't blow away everyone else, it should be fun to see who is keen on winning.  I could never imagine any of the other "contenders" beating BOTH Contador and Froome, but I can imagine one or more of them beating just Contador.  

Some interesting time gaps and we have not even hit the mountains yet.  Yes indeed, this could be a Good Tour.  And once again, in the Post Lance era, there would be another new winner.  Unless Contador blows them all away, which seems possible, but less likely than before.

Looking forward to the mountains.

I won't be as present as normal in the next days, maybe til the end of the Tour, but I will try to keep up.
Fontfroide

Quite a good analysis of the Tour and French people.
http://inrng.com/2014/07/tour-de-france-audience-indifference/
Fontfroide

Looking at the time gaps, and the profile, I can imagine a very high class small group on those last three little hills.  Maybe an escape, but so many guys might try to attack and gain back a few seconds before the mountains.  

Or maybe they will just ride up carefully and cautiously and wait for the day after, rest a bit.  But I doubt it.  Someone will hit the gas, and certainly someone will hit the gas on the last hill.  So many could win this stage, an escape as well.

Be nice if the weather is decent.  Could be fun.
Fontfroide

gerry12ie wrote:
Aye, Contador loses Hernandez


And Porte loses Xandio.
Bartali

gerry12ie wrote:
Well a huge feature of recent years is the notable lack of GT and monument wins in rider's palmares and Nibali looks like the only one of the current crop that might rectify that.  Maybe my generation was spoiled by the exploits of Merckx and later Hinault but I would really love to see a dominant GT rider competing meaningfully in the classics.  Cillian Kelly did a piece on it some years ago...

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2009/11/a-tourmonument-double/


Does Cunego count?

Nibali has come close at MSR and LBL so at least he's prepared to have a go.  Forza Nibali!! Smile
gerry12ie

Aye, and Valverde but overall it is thin pickings. The northern classics come off even worse and I think Lord Wiggins was the first TDF winner to even ride PR since the Badger. Of course their race programmes are so selective now a genuine GT contender wouldn't dream of having a serious crack at Flanders. Shame, I reckon...
Nibali really reminds of Gimondi, he is a throwback - and as Huw said, a racer's racer. Although I am feeling a bit romantic at the moment as Sunday in Hell is on BBC4 at the moment and Belgium's golden generation are slugging it out Very Happy
Fontfroide

Judging from our picks for today, looks to me like a medium size pack of the best puncheurs should find themselves, with one or two sprinters, accelerating fiercely up that last little hill.  Sadly I have a rendezvous and must be content with watching the video replay.

Oh well.
HuwB

Cannondale have been hammering along for ages.
Riders already getting spat out with over 100kms to go.
kathy

What is Molllema doing hanging around at the back?
Mrs John Murphy

Homepage > Stage 7 > Classifications
Tour glossary
Jersey wearers after the stage 7
the day's winner
Matteo TRENTINNo.79
Matteo
TRENTIN
ITAOMEGA PHARMA-QUICK STEP
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times05h 18' 39''
combative
Martin ELMIGERNo.193
Martin
ELMIGER
SUIIAM CYCLING
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Classifications after the stage 7

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   Stage

   Individual
   Points
   Team
   Climber
   Youth
   Combative


Overall individual time classification
Total distance covered: 234.5 km
rank rider rider No. team times gap











1. TRENTIN Matteo
2. SAGAN Peter 00''
3. GALLOPIN Tony
4. DUMOULIN Tom
5. GERRANS Simon
6. OSS Daniel
7. GAUTIER Cyril
8. CHAVANEL Sylvain
9. VANMARCKE Sep
10. VAN AVERMAET Greg
11. REZA Kévin
12. VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
13. VICHOT Arthur
14. COSTA Rui Alberto
15. BARDET Romain

16. NIBALI Vincenzo
18. MOLLEMA Bauke
19. PORTE Richie
20. PINOT Thibaut
21. CONTADOR Alberto '
23. SCHLECK Frank

GC

1. NIBALI Vincenzo
2. FUGLSANG Jakob + 00' 02''
3. SAGAN Peter + 00' 44''
4. POLKWIATKOWSKI Michal + 00' 50''
5. GALLOPIN Tony + 01' 45''
6. PORTE Richie + 01' 54''
7. TALANSKY Andrew + 02' 05''
8. VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro + 02' 11''
9. BARDET Romain + 02' 11''
10. COSTA Rui Alberto ' + 02' 11''
Mrs John Murphy

Losers today:

43. VAN GARDEREN Tejay 141 BMC RACING TEAM 05h 19' 42'' + 01' 03''
54. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 131 LOTTO-BELISOL 05h 20' 02'' + 01' 23''
67. RODRIGUEZ Joaquim 21 TEAM KATUSHA 05h 20' 05'' + 01' 26''
gerry12ie

Hmmm picked Trentin a day too soon. TGV pissed at Gerrans apparently - reckons it was his fault...
mazda

Wasn't that Gerrans on Talansky (not TVG) ?

Could have done both of course.
Bartali

Both Talansky and TJVG shipped yet more time today.  The tranquility of the mountains can't come soon enough for some ....
HuwB

Simon Gerrans: More dangerous than wet pave. Razz

Talansky didn't lose any time. He had so much time to spare that he had a little wander around the bunch sprint and an inspection of the tarmac. Wink
Fontfroide

Anyone seen an Italian Sprinter called Viviani?
gerry12ie

In their own little way Kwiatkowski and Sagan are having a nice little battle in this first week. Third and fourth on GC and Sagan looked to me like he had enough to win today's stage twice over until Kwiatkowski pulled it all back for his team mate to take a nice win.

Still sequence of the Gerrans Talansky crash http://www.nonprocycling.com/2014/07/12/gerrans-talansky/
HuwB

Matthias Frank DNS tomorrow with a fractured femur.
Involved in the final bend crash.
Amazingly finished only 3 minutes after the leaders
Mrs John Murphy

Did we ever find out what happened to JVDB?
maffy

fell off on the last corner inside last 3km with kangert.

highlights reckoned m frank broke his leg when tjvj got a little bike. a netapp came off and bounced up in that one too.
Mrs John Murphy

Thanks.
mr shifter

gerry12ie wrote:
In their own little way Kwiatkowski and Sagan are having a nice little battle in this first week. Third and fourth on GC and Sagan looked to me like he had enough to win today's stage twice over until Kwiatkowski pulled it all back for his team mate to take a nice win.
Hallelujah, Wasn't it Great for OPQS after all the attempts to get a win without the Manxman.


Bartali wrote:

Does Cunego count?
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The little Prick, NO
He would never have won a GT if he had been on another Team that year and as I said at the time "He never will again". Exclamation
He is OK as a Single day race winner but the man said.
Quote:
I would really love to see a dominant GT rider competing meaningfully in the classics.  
So where the Hell could Cunego fit that description.  Question  Question

Be Lucky...........Forza Nibali

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