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Tour 2014, Stages 1-3: The Full English, 5th-7th July

Will kick off the English stages properly tomorrow (profiles, routes and so on) so I just throw this up as a placeholder for now for pre race chatter. Sticking with the culinary theme and what better way to get things started with a big greasy fry up. Mind you with a few high profile English (or Scottish even) riders failing to make the last minute cut, it's maybe not the most appropriate title.

Stage 1, Saturday, July 5th:  Leeds / Harrogate - 190.5km
Thierry Gouvenou wrote:
A British rider's dream
The Tour de France will kick off with a road stage instead of a prologue, like in 2013, when its Corsican adventure started with Marcel Kittel pulling on the yellow jersey everyone expected to see on Mark Cavendish's back. The British sprinter is already plotting revenge. First of all, because the Grand Start will take place in Great Britain, on his home turf and in front of his home crowds. Second, because the stage finishes a stone's throw away from where his mother used to live. And finally, because pulling on the fabled jersey for the first time would fit in nicely with his numerous accomplishments. I think he is the odds-on favourite to take this stage with gorgeous landscapes and pancake-flat roads in the final 60 kilometres.

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Stage 2, Sunday, July 6th: York / Sheffield - 201km
Thierry Gouvenou wrote:
Avoid being caught napping
The course of this awesome stage looks like a carbon copy of Liège-Bastogne-Liège. This is not your run-of-the-mill start to the Tour, but it is set to be thrilling because the overall favourites will have to avoid being caught napping. I think they will all be in the mix, especially Froome, Contador, Nibali and Valverde. On this terrain, I would rather put my money on them than on Sagan, as the climbs may well be a bit too tough for his taste. All this is to stay that we should expect to see one hell of a fight during the Yorkshire chapter, at least if the best riders are willing to light the fireworks...

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Stage 3, Monday, July 7th: Cambridge / London - 155km
Thierry Gouvenou wrote:
Rolling into the capital
A short 155 km stage to the British capital, which gave the Tour de France an unforgettable welcome in 2007. A prestigious stage which will take the peloton alongside the Olympic Park and London's most famous landmarks before finishing opposite Buckingham Palace. Of course, with everything pointing towards a mass sprint, the spotlight will back on Cavendish. Will he be at the top of his game? I think so. But one thing is for sure: the crowds will turn out in force, as large and fiery as seven years ago.

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Biosphere

I must go search out the rest of this Kimmage interview with Froome. Don't think it has been posted here and I just stumbled across it earlier.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/o...he-eye-of-the-storm-30391816.html

And another Tour winner with more modest ambitions talks about the grief he gets

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/andy-schleck-im-still-here
kathy

FP thread here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra220521.php#220521
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
I must go search out the rest of this Kimmage interview with Froome. Don't think it has been posted here and I just stumbled across it earlier.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/o...he-eye-of-the-storm-30391816.html


Very interesting, especially at the end where Kimmage gets across the point that he expects Froome to do more than just follow the rules.
You can almost hear it click in CFs head.

You don't have to agree with, or like, Kimmage to appreciate that point; that a lot of cycling fans need Froome to behave like a saint.
Biosphere

Here's part 2

http://www.independent.ie/sport/o...of-the-storm-part-2-30394950.html

With regards to Froome needing to behave like a saint, as pointed out in the article, it does seem strange that Contador can get away with his past, but there is so much speculation about Froome. I was struck by how big the cheer at the Saturday finish of the Dauphiné was when Contador attacked and Froome was left behind.
mazda

Kimmage, on the other hand, has no doubts about how he feels about Alberto !
HuwB

Had to add the climbs as the names are great!

Stage 1:

   Km 68.0 - Côte de Cray1.6 kilometre-long climb at 7.1% - category 4

   Km 103.5 - Côte de Buttertubs4.5 kilometre-long climb at 6.8% - category 3

   Km 129.5 - Côte de Griton Moor3 kilometre-long climb at 6.6% - category 3

Stage 2:

   Km 47.0 - Côte de Blubberhouses1.8 kilometre-long climb at 6.1% - category 4

   Km 85.0 - Côte d'Oxenhope Moor3.1 kilometre-long climb at 6.4% - category 3

   Km 112.5 - VC - Côte de Ripponden1.3 kilometre-long climb at 8.6% - category 3

   Km 119.5 - Côte de Greetland1.6 kilometre-long climb at 6.7% - category 3

   Km 143.5 - Côte de Holme Moss4.7 kilometre-long climb at 7% - category 2

   Km 167.0 - Côte de Midhopestones2.5 kilometre-long climb at 6.1% - category 3

   Km 175.0 - Côte de Bradfield1 kilometre-long climb at 7.4% - category 4

   Km 182.0 - Côte d'Oughtibridge1.5 kilometre-long climb at 9.1% - category 3

   Km 196.0 - VC - Côte de Jenkin Road0.8 kilometre-long climb at 10.8% - category 4

The team presentation last night was different and included a bargain basement, Olympic style opening and Operatic close to the teams on stage.

Cav, Kittel, Jens, Tony Martin and I also thought Dani Navarro good value, Contador, Nibali and Froome, less so.
Most of it was the usual cringworthy fare.
Nolte

shame pendle hill isn't on the race, then it could be cote de pendle hill combining different language words for hill 4 times Very Happy
SlowRower

HuwB wrote:
...Kittel...


Giant Shimano are playing PR blinder this year. They did a light training ride on Wednesday and tweeted "Everyone welcome" along with details of where to meet up. One guy who went along got his helmet autographed by Kittel.

I doubt this will get the crowd fully on side for the finish in Harrogate, but I'm sure Kittel will get a rousing cheer if he finishes second!
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
Here's part 2

http://www.independent.ie/sport/o...of-the-storm-part-2-30394950.html

With regards to Froome needing to behave like a saint, as pointed out in the article, it does seem strange that Contador can get away with his past, but there is so much speculation about Froome. I was struck by how big the cheer at the Saturday finish of the Dauphiné was when Contador attacked and Froome was left behind.

Well that Filthy Team Deutsche Telekom have got away with far worse palmares Unblemished. Even Now.  Shocked
Maybe Kimmage collected back handers to say nothing.
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Well that Filthy Team Deutsche Telekom have got away with far worse palmares Unblemished. Even Now.  Shocked
Maybe Kimmage collected back handers to say nothing.


My only post on this subject. I was speaking of current riders and now that there is a backdrop of absolutely everybody knowing what went on 10/20 years ago if they chose to open their eyes.
HuwB

Anyhow................
France 3's Ville Depart is on.
Currently watching a bunch of French guys, Petula Clark Shocked and Prudhomme talking French in the middle of Leeds! Very Happy
Biosphere

Impressive crowds and the sun is shining. Job done for Yorkshire.
HuwB

Amazing crowds.
The race is finally about to start, proper.
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:

The race is finally about to start, proper.


Which means a Voigt attack Laughing and Phil and Paul commentary Mad
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
mr shifter wrote:
Well that Filthy Team Deutsche Telekom have got away with far worse palmares Unblemished. Even Now.  Shocked
Maybe Kimmage collected back handers to say nothing.


My only post on this subject. I was speaking of current riders and now that there is a backdrop of absolutely everybody knowing what went on 10/20 years ago if they chose to open their eyes.

That's right keep the covers on those Bast*rds from Deutsche Telekom and don't say a word.
Mustn't say anything in case someone else throws their toys out.

The Silence on this Forum means (as was shown) that you can accept Frauds because you couldn't tell the difference at that time, so why spend so much time with miniscule details of the present.  scratch  scratch

Lance Armstrong (7 years) and Deutsche Telekom (10/11 years) come from the same pot and should have the same Penalties.

PS - Has the Club Run finished yet. ???????
mr shifter

Back on Topic, then

OK, I'm astounded by the amount of crowds in "Yorkshire".

I thought the 1994 crowds were terrific and 2007 even better but the publicity attached to this years event has brought an even better crowd turn out.
Well done "Yorkshire".
CapeRoadie

mr shifter wrote:
Biosphere wrote:
mr shifter wrote:
Well that Filthy Team Deutsche Telekom have got away with far worse palmares Unblemished. Even Now.  Shocked
Maybe Kimmage collected back handers to say nothing.


My only post on this subject. I was speaking of current riders and now that there is a backdrop of absolutely everybody knowing what went on 10/20 years ago if they chose to open their eyes.

That's right keep the covers on those Bast*rds from Deutsche Telekom and don't say a word.
Mustn't say anything in case someone else throws their toys out.

The Silence on this Forum means (as was shown) that you can accept Frauds because you couldn't tell the difference at that time, so why spend so much time with miniscule details of the present.  scratch  scratch

Lance Armstrong (7 years) and Deutsche Telekom (10/11 years) come from the same pot and should have the same Penalties.

PS - Has the Club Run finished yet. ???????


Nothing has changed imho.  SKY is as doped as USPS or Telekom or Gewiss or any other team in the past 25 years.  The Brit journos remind me of the Yank journos during the Armstrong reign.  Exceptions, of course.  Fucking silly that Emma O'Reilly lets the man who abused her now write a foreword to her book, and then call out Walsh for "exploitation".  She must be getting paid a lot!  Froome was a nobody before joining SKY--he's a super-responder and a doper!  Flashbacks to Big Mig, Riis, Armstrong... all Tour winners because of the dope.  Indurain wasn't a climber, neither was Riis, neither was Armstrong (not a time trialist either).  Watching this is like watching the NFL , UEFA, EPL, MLB or Tennis.  You KNOW they're doping but you have to not care to stomach it.
HuwB

Funny, I could have sworn we had a doping thread, around here.
Lets keep the race threads for just that.

Surprised that so few teams showed an interest in talking the first polka dot jersey.
Edet should win it, but you never know with Jens.
HuwB

Jens turning back the clock.
Horner looks in trouble on stage 1.
Crowds making the climbs single file.

The Cote de Buttertubs has finished Purito and Pinot's chances.
Nolte

joaquim rodriquez, riblon, horner, daniel navarro and pinot dropped

though list of stragglers on letour.fr not working properly for me on either chrome or firefox.

speed on first hour was 37.2km, showing not a big fight to be in the break to battle for the polka dots
HuwB

All back in the bunch, but suggests to me that tomorrow's stage will cause carnage.
Nolte

kittel wins sprint.
cavendish looks hurt. it seems he had to fight for position he lost on the hill and unfortunately, these things happen
Biosphere

I would say Cavendish position was OKish, but too much of a squeeze for Sagan's wheel. Cannot imagine he will start tomorrow.

Froome came in 6th. Taking no chances.
CapeRoadie

The two guys to Cav's left locked handlebars and the rider to his immediate left went down and brought him down.  Looks like a broken right CLAVICULE to me.
Mrs John Murphy

LOL.
SlowRower

Shame for Cav. Murphy, you're still an objectionable tw*t.

We watched from just after the real start. Saw the flag drop and Jens launch his attack.

Had a brief chat with Bryan Cookson, surprised Malcolm Elliott by recognising him and got a friendly smile from The Badger. I was a bit disappointed with The Badger as I wanted him to punch me!

Superb day out. Kudos to Sir Gary Verity!
Mrs John Murphy

That makes two of us then doesn't it.

I've no sympathy when bad stuff happens to dopers.
HuwB

Saw the finish and had to dash out.
Have to say that Cav (thinking upon Renshaw) faced a possible dqf,
but since it appears his collarbone is kaput....
As to the OPQS train, where was Kwiatkoswki?
He needed to be right up there fr the finish, when you look upon the the finishing positions of the GC men.
He could have done a job, instead, Cav was left to his own devices and headed into disaster.

Kittel is now the undisputed king of the sprints, imo.
Sagan with have to crash out, not to win the maillot vert.

Having seen that, tomorrow, I now rate 4 out of 5 on Giro rating of stages.
Crucial in the opening phase of the GC battle.
HuwB

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
That makes two of us then doesn't it.

I've no sympathy when bad stuff happens to dopers.


But on that scale, you have no sympathy for anybody, so it's kind of a moot point.
HuwB

Andrew Talansky showing +4'15" on the GC.
No crash, so unless he had to swap bikes.............
Mrs John Murphy

In the current peloton, no.

If lightening were to come down and take out a large chunk of the GC contenders (or a rain cloud and a downhill slope for Andy Schleck - and in his case I use the term GC contender loosely) then my day would be complete.

If Yorkshire is God's Own County then it proves god's fallibility.
HuwB

God just rained on your parade:

Patrick Lefevere to #eurosport : "Nothing broken for @MarkCavendish " #goodnews #TDF2014

TBH, I'm surprised. Definitely looked broken to me.
He'll be hurting for a few days, but if he starts and gets through tomorrow,
he can contest later on.

Surprised at how his team implode, under Cancellara's pressure, though.

Talansky had a puncture inside the 3kms apparently, so he'll be OK.
Mrs John Murphy

Wouldn't surprise me. Didn't Cuddles have a similar fall that looked very bad initially but in the end wasn't so bad a few years back?
Biosphere

Well if he's able to start tomorrow (which I find unbelievable), the commissars will now have to consider if they will let him. Suspect a home crowd decision.

Edit: Reading he has separated shoulder which apparently means torn ligaments. Can't see him on a bike for a while.
Mrs John Murphy

as per the team website:

'Omega Pharma - Quick-Step Cycling Team confirms that Mark Cavendish underwent further examination on his right shoulder after today's crash.

The imaging underlined ligament ruptures with an AC-joint dislocation, which causes him a lot of pain. A final decision on his participation in tomorrow's stage will be taken tomorrow morning.'

http://www.omegapharma-quickstep....s/show/mark-cavendish-update/1826
CapeRoadie

Hey guess what?  A broken collarbone is a much better injury than an A-C ligament sprain (i.e., shoulder separation).  But he can ride with it.  If he doesn't, he's a wimp.  By the way, HuwB, how does a bone "look broken" from where we sit?  Never mind.  I like the downhill idea for Schleck, Mrs.  Actually, let's put one of those bottle-holder vests on him but with lead weights in it, at the top of every climb.  Then let the laugh-fest begin on the downhill.
Mrs John Murphy

Rain and slopes are enough for the Schlecks to shit themselves, anything more is just being sadistic. Schleck doesn't need any help to be fucked up, he can manage that without any outside help.

Still, it has a long way to go to pass stage 8 of the 2010 TDF for laughter
HuwB

Cavendish will not start.

CapeRoadie wrote:
Hey guess what?  A broken collarbone is a much better injury than an A-C ligament sprain (i.e., shoulder separation).  But he can ride with it.  If he doesn't, he's a wimp.  By the way, HuwB, how does a bone "look broken" from where we sit?


The point was Lefevre's optimistic tweet. No mention of ligament separation.
But of course, you knew that.
Biosphere

Cavendish came out from the team bus with his arm in a sling and confirmed that he and the team had taken the decision  to pull out at breakfast.
Quote:
"We knew last night and I knew straight away because normally in crashed I bounce back straight away. This was the first time in my career that I knew something was up but I wanted to finish and I was able to do that but I was in pain," he said.

"I had some optimism that the swelling would go down overnight but it’s not possible to start today. I’m absolutely devastated. The Tour is the UK for anther two days and secondly we have incredible team."

"They rode incredibly yesterday and they will for the next 20 days and I wanted to be part of that success."

"I spoke to Gerrans at the finish and then I called him at his hotel last night too. We both went for Sagan’s wheel but I wanted that gap so bad but it wasn’t there. I hope that Simon is okay and today is a stage for him. He’s a good guy and I m sorry."

"I would have loved to have been here for three weeks as we have a really strong team here but the crash was my fault a the end of the day."
HuwB

A lot of minor crashes so far, including TJVG and Bauke Mollema.
mr shifter

CapeRoadie wrote:
The two guys to Cav's left locked handlebars and the rider to his immediate left went down and brought him down.  Looks like a broken right CLAVICULE to me.
Can't support that statement as Bryan Coquard Team Europcar just bounced off when Simon Gerrans hit him and then finished 4th.
Cavendish and Gerrans were fighting for Sagan's wheel and both are old hands at the physical stuff.
Should have been Renshaw in there.
mr shifter

'
Ah, we now get to Last of the Summer Wine country.
CapeRoadie

HuwB wrote:
Cavendish will not start.

CapeRoadie wrote:
Hey guess what?  A broken collarbone is a much better injury than an A-C ligament sprain (i.e., shoulder separation).  But he can ride with it.  If he doesn't, he's a wimp.  By the way, HuwB, how does a bone "look broken" from where we sit?


The point was Lefevre's optimistic tweet. No mention of ligament separation.
But of course, you knew that.


An A-C joint sprain (sprain = torn ligament[s], to some degree) is commonly known as a "separated shoulder".  Bad term, I know.  I'd take the fracture (i.e., broken bone) over a sprain any day.

Just saw the Welsh flag flying!
HuwB

So, it's turning out to be a GC battle day, not that you'd notice around here.
Is there a JC strike?
Mrs John Murphy

It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.
Biosphere

Sun is shining. Family stuff to do and so on. It's recorded. Arrived back in at the last climb. Nice one for Nibali Smile
gerry12ie

Aye, too much to do and too much sport to watch Very Happy So they were right about it being a LBL redux and a LBL rider won it. Nice for Nibs but the entire stage was a stunning visual spectacle and Yorkshire looked the real winner. If I hadn't just come back from Cork I would nearly believe that Yorkshire is God's own country...
Biosphere

“All this panache business – they can kiss my arse, these people. Who’s got panache? These people that go on stupid pointless attacks? I don’t like panache.“  Wink
gerry12ie

Biosphere wrote:
“All this panache business – they can kiss my arse, these people. Who’s got panache? These people that go on stupid pointless attacks? I don’t like panache.“  Wink


The TV might have been tuned to Wimbledon chez Wiggins... Wink
CapeRoadie

Amazing sky (not Team Sky) today on the way to Sheffield.  The countryside was the overall winner, imho.  The spectators came out and the Alps and Pyrenees didn't have much on today.  Great idea.
mr shifter

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.
How about.

Vincenzo Nibali

Is bartali out on the course. ?
HuwB

Worked out pretty much as the ASO had hoped, I suspect, with the GC riders playing the hilly classics guys.
I'd score it about 1-1. Razz

Must rate as about the hardest 1st weekend of any recent GTs.
Mrs John Murphy

mr shifter wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.
How about.

Vincenzo Nibali

Is bartali out on the course. ?


Nibs is great but you know he can't live next to the bastard offspring of Armstrong. Vroome and Dertie will be back on their motorbikes later on.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.


Luckily, the 2.5 million folk by the road side either didn't care or were putting on a show for the cameras, so you can carry on being miserable with all your friends.

Another cracking day of spectating, this time on the outskirts of York. No famous faces spotted today, but we'd sharpened up our technique with the publicity caravan and were all over the presents thrown out like the All Black backrow in prime form!
berck

mr shifter wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.
How about.

Vincenzo Nibali

Is bartali out on the course. ?


When did Italy change their colors? Wink
maffy

i quite enjoyed it. buttertubs overflowed. they missed the prettiest tallest waterfall thru the pub near the bottom. today was a much better bike race than yesterday, mind.

waterfallingoveracliff

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Biosphere

SlowRower wrote:
Another cracking day of spectating, this time on the outskirts of York. No famous faces spotted today, but we'd sharpened up our technique with the publicity caravan and were all over the presents thrown out like the All Black backrow in prime form!


Sounds like good fun Smile Must be nice to have it on your doorstep.
Mrs John Murphy

SlowRower wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.


Luckily, the 2.5 million folk by the road side either didn't care or were putting on a show for the cameras, so you can carry on being miserable with all your friends.



For someone who complains about me bitching, you do an awful lot of bitching about it.

Lots of people watch X Factor, that doesn't mean that it isn't shit or the contestants aren't cunts.

You are at the Emperor's parade and all you are doing is slobbering over his 'clothes' and denying his nakedness and the fact that the whole charade is bullshit. And some how I'm the one with the issues here?

Look, it's not my fault if you have the worldview of a 5 year old. I appreciate that your years of trolling/fawning over Armstrong and inability to admit you were wrong mean that you have to carry on the kool aid. I'd assume that you'd done the mental gymnastics required to square the circle, but I think I'd be crediting you with too much intelligence and self-awareness for that.

You can carry on being a fuckwit who fawns over every druggy in lycra, good luck to you. It is pretty impressive to act as if you've been lobotomised without actually having had the surgery, but you manage the effect well.

I'm hardly miserable, just realistic. I'd rather be realistic than deluded by investing any energy in cheering on one cheating scrote of a human being over another.

You keep on being deluded and I'll keep on being right all along.
SlowRower

Biosphere wrote:
Sounds like good fun Smile Must be nice to have it on your doorstep.


It's hard to describe quite how good it was. Even the coppers were cheerful!

The best bit for me was today when I was riding gently along with my Godson, who wanted to show me his sprint finish when one guy roadside started cheering at my Wallace and Gromit top. The sizeable crowd took up with the cheering, and it was, for a few seconds at least, like being a proper rider. Godson then hammered past me, which raised an even bigger cheer!

It was a Grand Day Out at the Grand Depart.  Very Happy
Fontfroide

Been a really busy two days this weekend.  Finally a Social Forum I was organising with some pals took place, I can just forget about it now and the summer can begin.  I did sneak out to see the last 35k of yesterday and nearly all of today.  Fantastic.  I knew that there would be millions everywhere as many of my pals said they were going out, in fact, anyone with a bike seems to have checked out glorious Yorkshire.  Although my wife only remembers mud and grey skies from her several years there.  Goes way deeper in my heart.

Pity about Cav, but he brought it on entirely by himself, as he has several other times.  Just such a super drag since it was when and where it was.  I always hate to see a principal figure, or anyone for that matter, get eliminated the first day.  Or by something entirely out of their control, not so for Cav.  Reminds me of Dan Martin.  Still…. that's bike racing.

Nibali and Cancellara do have that ability to spice things up.  Today was really quite a good racing day, given that just watching the Yorkshire countryside slip past was almost enough.

This year I will try to keep up with picks, and also try to comment a bit when I am watching.  But I am going to have at least two trips during the Tour, trips that have to happen "then".  Meeting a Bulgarian cousin and wife and kids of another Bulgarian cousin will take some time, during which I might even miss entire stages.  although it will take me to Paris where I MIGHT manage to check out the complete spectacle of the final stage.  Plus a long awaited five or six days in the nearest big city.  You'd think it would be easier there, but some pals just don't care.  I asked one couple, both very good friends, if they knew who Eddie Merckx was.  Neither of them could answer.

So I am here even if I am not here.
Bartali

Biosphere wrote:
“All this panache business – they can kiss my arse, these people. Who’s got panache? These people that go on stupid pointless attacks? I don’t like panache.“  Wink
Laughing  Laughing
Bartali

Twas in my 'home town' watching some race that was won by NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI
gerry12ie

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
SlowRower wrote:
Mrs John Murphy wrote:
It is hard to be excited about Vroome vs Dertie.


Luckily, the 2.5 million folk by the road side either didn't care or were putting on a show for the cameras, so you can carry on being miserable with all your friends.



For someone who complains about me bitching, you do an awful lot of bitching about it.

Lots of people watch X Factor, that doesn't mean that it isn't shit or the contestants aren't cunts.

You are at the Emperor's parade and all you are doing is slobbering over his 'clothes' and denying his nakedness and the fact that the whole charade is bullshit. And some how I'm the one with the issues here?

Look, it's not my fault if you have the worldview of a 5 year old. I appreciate that your years of trolling/fawning over Armstrong and inability to admit you were wrong mean that you have to carry on the kool aid. I'd assume that you'd done the mental gymnastics required to square the circle, but I think I'd be crediting you with too much intelligence and self-awareness for that.

You can carry on being a fuckwit who fawns over every druggy in lycra, good luck to you. It is pretty impressive to act as if you've been lobotomised without actually having had the surgery, but you manage the effect well.

I'm hardly miserable, just realistic. I'd rather be realistic than deluded by investing any energy in cheering on one cheating scrote of a human being over another.

You keep on being deluded and I'll keep on being right all along.


Murph, this place might be a bit quiet lately but the people here is good people so how about you lighten the fuck up and show some basic manners? Thanks in advance pet.
Beasley

Bartali wrote:
Twas in my 'home town' watching some race that was won by NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI   NIBALI

That's the great thing about the first week of a GT...

... a chance for the little guys to have their moment in the sun before the true contenders come to the fore. Wink
mazda

SlowRower wrote:

Another cracking day of spectating, this time on the outskirts of York. No famous faces spotted today, but we'd sharpened up our technique with the publicity caravan and were all over the presents thrown out like the All Black backrow in prime form!


Got a good (Festina) bagful with our daughter.
Oddest gift was the McCain 'matches' that turned out to be herb seeds.

We were at Water End - between the A19 and A59 (still in the neutral zone).
The atmosphere among the crowd was just so good natured.
Never has standing in one spot for 3 hours been so much fun.

Every rider coming up the hill from over the railway got cheered at the lights (the less impressive the bike the bigger the cheer).
The ones going down the hill were ignored Razz
mazda

mr shifter wrote:
CapeRoadie wrote:
The two guys to Cav's left locked handlebars and the rider to his immediate left went down and brought him down.  Looks like a broken right CLAVICULE to me.
Can't support that statement as Bryan Coquard Team Europcar just bounced off when Simon Gerrans hit him and then finished 4th.
Cavendish and Gerrans were fighting for Sagan's wheel and both are old hands at the physical stuff.
Should have been Renshaw in there.


Despite Coquard being on Gerrans left (or maybe because of), when Gerrans was bashed by Cav he managed to fall over to his left and his wheels went right and into Cav.
So maybe there was a brief tangle that dragged Gerrans over.

But old news now and Cav has taken responsibility for it all.

The shock in the crowd was quite electric.
mazda

mr shifter wrote:
How about.

Vincenzo Nibali

Is bartali out on the course. ?


You can bet Nibs is going to try and take every advantage of Froome and Contador watching each other.
Fontfroide

Glad to hear so many reports, as I have, about the pleasure that various cyclists and non-cyclists took in the stage.  whether because of some not bad racing or the Yorkshire Dales or the crowds or whatever.  Nearly everyone had a good day out.  And two of my older women Anglo immigrant friends watched both stages, as they have a strong Yorkshire connection and know the roads and hills, all the way through and had a great time.  They know nothing about cycling and could care less.  People like that are part of the Tour, and its glory.

And then there was Nibali.  I thought of Bartali for a few seconds, several times, and was delighted to see the multicoloured post later.  I would still like to have a video of Bartali as Nibali left the lead bunch, just curious.  

a very solid start to the Tour.  So many people and they not even got to London.  What can they be "seeing" and experiencing.  Millions of them!  Ddi they have a good time, did they ride there?  Did all of you see the HUGE number of people in the Dales who were cyclists, a HUGE number.

Very happy to see the Tour on the box.  Even today I will probably catch bits of Essex (with which I have no relation and could n't care less about) and London too.

Haw about that Nibali?  Already a surprise!
mr shifter

berck wrote:
mr shifter wrote:


Vincenzo Nibali

Is bartali out on the course. ?

When did Italy change their colors? Wink
Sorry but I was looking from the other side.   Exclamation
You know how backward I am.
SlowRower

Mrs John Murphy wrote:
And somehow I'm the one with the issues here?


Yes.
SlowRower

mazda wrote:
Got a good (Festina) bagful with our daughter.
Oddest gift was the McCain 'matches' that turned out to be herb seeds.


I did chuckle when folk started throwing the Sheffield Hallam wrist bands back into their publicity cars!
mr shifter

mazda wrote:
mr shifter wrote:

Vincenzo Nibali

You can bet Nibs is going to try and take every advantage of Froome and Contador watching each other.

Now what did I mention in the Dauphine
mr shifter wrote:
Bartali wrote:

I though Nibali had a mechanical the first time they dropped him.  He was caught drinking the second time.  He's doesn't look quite with it though ...

Not with it for sure but then did he come for a win or just the experience of French roads.
I don't think he had a panic but just smoothly rode to the top.
Devious perhaps ?
mr shifter

Beasley wrote:

That's the great thing about the first week of a GT...

... a chance for the little guys to have their moment in the sun before the true contenders come to the fore. Wink
I think he has a "Podium" in there somewhere so don't be surprised later in this GT.
As he said " Now I have worn all 3 GT Leaders Jerseys"
mr shifter

mr shifter wrote:
mazda wrote:
mr shifter wrote:

Vincenzo Nibali

You can bet Nibs is going to try and take every advantage of Froome and Contador watching each other.

Now what did I mention in the Dauphine
mr shifter wrote:
Bartali wrote:

I though Nibali had a mechanical the first time they dropped him.  He was caught drinking the second time.  He's doesn't look quite with it though ...

Not with it for sure but then did he come for a win or just the experience of French roads.
I don't think he had a panic but just smoothly rode to the top.
Devious perhaps ?
Slapshot 3

Disappointed with SR and the little rowers...didn't see a single flamethrower or even a water pistol aimed at Froome...  Wink  Wink

It's been a magnificent weekend the numbers on the roadside have been unbelievable. Well done Le Tour In Yorkshire
HuwB

Idiot spectator out with his camera, standing alone in the road gets clobbered by David Lopez, but Andy Schleck  ends up on the deck, as a result.
Now he's got an excuse to abandon.
HuwB

Another dominant Kittel display.
Sagan second by sitting on his wheel, Greipel nowhere.
Bartali

Clever riding by Sagan today ... he got himself on the right wheel and stuck to it like glue.
Bartali

Beasley wrote:
Bartali wrote:
Twas in my 'home town' watching some race that was won by NIBALI

That's the great thing about the first week of a GT...

... a chance for the little guys to have their moment in the sun before the true contenders come to the fore. Wink


Well it doesn't bode well for Team Sky when a 'little guy' has a better GT record than the whole team.  Wink
Beasley

Quality over quantity, Bartali! Wink

An interesting side-show over the first few days has been the team comp. By and large it's a pretty worthless competition, but with the pave coming up and team standings determining car order in the support convoy, it's of pressing importance amongst the peloton according to the talking heads on the tele.

Sky and Astana are sitting pretty in first and second. BMC third. Belkin are just about okay in 8th. Squeaky bum time for Berty and Talansky with Tinkoff and Garmin in 11th and 12th, respectively. But it could be a long wait in the dust for Don Alejandro... Movistar are currently in 20th!

Looks like ol' Eusebio hasn't quite got to grips with marginal gains. Laughing
gerry12ie

Another epic fail by Kirby today who forgot to mention that the route took in my old road in Walthamstow Rolling Eyes it might not have the cachet of the dales but it's special to me...

Kittel is the guvnor now for sure although it remains to be seen if he can reign as long as Cavendish. Only two more sleeps until cobbles Smile
Slapshot 3

Beasley wrote:
Quality over quantity, Bartali! Wink

An interesting side-show over the first few days has been the team comp. By and large it's a pretty worthless competition, but with the pave coming up and team standings determining car order in the support convoy, it's of pressing importance amongst the peloton according to the talking heads on the tele.


Wrong.....

UCI Stage race rules

2.6.034  -  For the following stages, the driving order shall be determined according to the position of the first rider of each team in the general individual time classification.
Beasley

I never knew that!

In that case, it's young Talansky who could be getting a lung-full. As things stand, Garmin will line-up in 15th, by my count.
SlowRower

Slapshot 3 wrote:
Disappointed with SR and the little rowers...didn't see a single flamethrower or even a water pistol aimed at Froome...  Wink  Wink


Sorry. The spirit of French Farmers escaped me at the vital moment!
mr shifter

.
Ah memories, memories.
This Stage brings back memories of my trip to RVV in 1963 with this friend I knew in North London and our worries about the heavy snow that winter that only stopped about a week/10 days before the trip.
I met him at Borough Tube station one Saturday lunch time with my little "Mini" (company car) and drove to Lydd Airport for the Ferry flight to Le Touquet.
Then drove to Lille and Gent via Montreuil, St Pol and Bethune.
After Flanders we retraced to the Plane and back to the Borough on Sunday evening.
I popped into his company during the week and agreed the trip had been very worth while.

So did the riders fly over from London City Airport to Le Touquet or did they go by Eurostar train from St Pancras to Calais. ?
I know the Hotels each team stayed in last night but not the traveling.

Be Lucky........yea, 50 years ago and I was Driving. !!! Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
berck

Poor Nibali. Who has seen what happened to him on the podium at the end of Stage 2?


Link
Biosphere

Been meaning to post that Laughing
He thought he was still in Italy! Needed someone like Bart to show him how it's done up north Wink
SlowRower

Women in Yorkshire are hard. Nibs should be thankful he didn't get a knee in the nadgers for his troubles!
Boogerd_Fan

It was the lion's fault!!
MrsSR

Our next door neighbour's Italian - I do the same to him when he goes in for a kiss.
MrsSR

I should add - same as the video, not the same as Mr SR suggested!
Bartali

[quote="Beasley:220653] That's the great thing about the first week of a GT...

... a chance for the little guys to have their moment in the sun before the true contenders come to the fore. Wink[/quote]

I know it's a bit predictable, but where are your 'big guys' now?  Rolling Eyes
Bartali

Double post .... too excited to type properly!
gerry12ie

Bartali wrote:
[quote="Beasley:220653] That's the great thing about the first week of a GT...

... a chance for the little guys to have their moment in the sun before the true contenders come to the fore. Wink


I know it's a bit predictable, but where are your 'big guys' now?  Rolling Eyes[/quote]

Beasley leads with his chin so often I wonder his he Amir Khan... Very Happy
Bartali

Smile
Beasley

It can't be denied... as Bartali has previously said, pave has no place in road racing! Wink
gerry12ie

Beasley wrote:
It can't be denied... as Bartali has previously repeatedly said, pave has no place in road racing! Wink


Fixed that Wink
Bartali

In all seriousness - I stand by that notwithstanding Nibali's great ride today!!
berck

Dang! ASO had the video removed from youtube... Well, you can view the short one on this webiste

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