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Tour 2013, Stages 10-11: Brittany + Normandy, 9th-10th July

Apologies to geography teachers everywhere, but the title is about 90% right. I think! since everything seems to be up the the air on today's stage no point in making any observations about the forthcoming

Stage 10
Jean-François Pescheux wrote:
Symbolic Moments
After a plane transfer and a rest day at Saint-Nazaire, the Tour heads into Western France once again for a magnificent finish beneath Saint-Malo's ramparts. It's fair to say that this is a stage designed with tradition in mind, in as much as it will enable us to honour the memory of Louison Bobet and pay tribute to Bernard Hinault. This 100th edition of the Tour de France will feature another great symbol of national life: for the first time, the riders will pass through the heart of the Coëtquidan military camp, where the elite cadets from the Saint-Cyr military school will line up in their splendid uniforms to honour them. The moment will provide some unforgettable, moving and typically French images. Then we will probably see the sprinters perform...






Stage 11
Jean-François Pescheux wrote:
A Balancing Act
One symbol follows another. After Coëtquidan and Saint-Malo, we will be setting up camp in front of Mont Saint-Michel for another stage that promises to be spectacular. Our countryside will get a tremendous publicity boost if the sun decides to come to the party as well. Mont Saint-Michel is France's second most popular tourist attraction after the Eiffel Tower, and images of it will be broadcast to two billion viewers across the world? All this could almost make us forget that, back on the road, there will a great duel between the rouleurs. As part of the balancing act designed to maintain suspense, we have opted for a shorter time trial than those in recent editions




HuwB

Says a lot about this week's parcour when the highlight appears to be this ITT.
How much time can Froome put into Valverde's Star Chamber, Contador et al, over 33kms?
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
KarenP wrote:

So how much time do you all reckon Quintana and Valverde will lose after the ITT?


Well, after the ITT that Quintana won (PdeVasco) I'm expecting him to do well enough to gain time back on Valverde  Wink

Contador vs Kreuziger should also be interesting given AC's current form.

Surely a chance for Mollema to move up to 2nd though ?


Based on this seasons form (for both him and the team), Quintana should do an OK ITT. I must go remind myself of the Vasco profile, but off the top of my head I think it had a bit more climbing, whereas tomorrow is pretty straightforward so may suit the bigger guys with more total power a bit better?
mazda

Umm, Quintana was 2nd to Martin in the ITT.  Embarassed
It was up and down, some quite steep bits, rather than one large climb.
But he still beat all the other climbers by significant margins.
HuwB

Hot (30C) with a bit of a headwind.
France 3 interviewed their 100 YO record holder about..............Jens Voigt. Laughing
Fontfroide

Soon we get some action, so far not a great stage, especially compared to Sunday.  That was GOOD.

Great coast, reminds me of holidays.
HuwB

Have to go out with 9kms left.
berck

I was wondering about that. Not much action here either. Unfortunately, I can't watch anything while at work. Just monitoring the feeds.
berck

Coming up on 1km. Fireworks are about to go off. Wink
phildange

That Cavendish !
Biosphere

If QS were doing their job better, Cavendish wouldn't be getting involved in shoulder barges instead of sprinting for the win. Kittel super fast at the end.
SAP

Or if Cavendish wasn't going out of his way giving shoulder barges, he would have been in a better position to sprint for the win. That was ugly!
phildange

I always thought the so many Cav's victories were due to the fact the best sprint helpers were working for him . This year it's not the case and he wins few .
Biosphere

SAP wrote:
Or if Cavendish wasn't going out of his way giving shoulder barges, he would have been in a better position to sprint for the win. That was ugly!


Or if lead out men weren't looking over their shoulders before putting the block on Cavendish they wouldn't get barged?
phildange

There is a knurr cam from above on French TV and you see distinctly Cav making a deliberate move to the left to hit the guy, he evens bends his whole body to the left from his bike .
Fontfroide

Not sure who these guys are who come on to make complex things simple and diss Cav, but I think it is more complicated.   We shall see what the commissioners say.

I saw Veelers drifting back after doing his work.  Those guys drifting back, whether on the sides or in the middle, are always a problem.  I think the white line is a good reference on the replays.  Veelers was going slower, drifting back.  Cav tried to go around him to catch the faster guys, Cav was almost past him when Veelers drifted a little more to the right.  Cav leaned a little more to the left to protect himself.  But Cav is small and compact, and leaned against the bars of Veelers, since he was almost past.  Touch the front wheel or bars of someone, they are down.  No doubt Cav leaned to the left, so he might get busted, but I figure he was doing normal sprinting behaviour.  At first I thought he knocked Veelers over, then seeing the replays I still thought he knocked him over.  The question is whether it was acceptable.

In any case, during the interviews outside the bus, with the dozens of reporters and mics, Cav behaved badly.  I think he even grabbed a reporters digital recorder.  He certainly answered the question asked about the stage as if he had NOT bumped into Veelers.  Then just left.  I think he is well pissed off he has lost the jersey for sure, and lost again.  Also very very pissed off at his team who clearly let him down AGAIN.  Geert lost him or he lost Geert, hence messing about at the end on other wheels.

What is most noteworthy however is how not a single rider fell, at that speed they ALL were able to avoid Veelers and his bike.  Incredible bike handling.
Bartali

No doubt about it that Veelers was drifting.  However, Cavendish did have plenty of room on the right so to my eyes that was a deliberate barge.  Head on camera shows it clearly.  Comms have to act!!
HuwB

Cav was following Greipel's line. Veelers caught a bit in two minds about peel off direction. A bit of shoulder.....
Racing incident.

Appallingly inadequate lead out though, Steegmans plus.....................well Steegmans.
As bad, if not worse than last year. I see trouble ahead
Biosphere

No doubt that Cavendish braced himself for the shoulder barge and knew that he was instigating one. Personally I'm also in no doubt that Veelers knew what he was doing when he drifted to block Cavendish (he had looked back and knew it was Cavendish and where he was) and Cavendish knew it too. Hence the shoulder to try to maintain the line he wanted to take.

As for the Commissars having to act, I don't see the need for that. Shouldering goes on all the time in the fight for positioning.

As for grabbing the reporters recorder outside the team bus and walking off with it. Embarassed  Embarassed
MAILLOT JAUNE

From Cav's Twitter account:

Robbie McEwen ‏@mcewenrobbie  1h  
What happened with @MarkCavendish & Veelers was an accident. Cav sprinting & Veelers looking down drifted right. Looks like Tom is ok #tough

Mark Cavendish Mark Cavendish ‏@MarkCavendish  1h  
Just seen the sprint. I believe I didn't move line. I'm actually coming past Veelers & we touch elbows when he moves. Anyway, hope he's ok.

Mark Cavendish Mark Cavendish ‏@MarkCavendish  2h  
There's no way I'd move on a rider deliberately, especially one not contesting a sprint. I hope @tom_veelers is ok.

Mark Cavendish Mark Cavendish ‏@MarkCavendish  2h  
Not seen a replay of the final yet, but was involved in an incident with Tom Veelers. Whatever has happened, if I'm at fault, I'm sorry.
billgull

Mark Cavendish, Tour de Suisse, Stage 4, 2010.


Link
Nolte

from what i see in the sprint, the shoulder barge was to defend cavendish's own line from veelers moving into it and taking out both himself and cavendish. it seems that it was as a defensive move and not as sinister as it looked full speed.
Nolte

billgull wrote:
Mark Cavendish, Tour de Suisse, Stage 4, 2010.


Link


fond memories. i think i scored points with the vacansoleil rider there.

one thing i notice in the intermediate sprints is all the vacansoleil riders (was it marcato or bozic)coming over the line for points Very Happy

they really have no business being there but well i guess they have nothing else to do for 3 weeks. it reminds me of the in the loop scene near the start where they are prepping for the funny question at the end of question time
Fontfroide

Jury has come in with the accurate and excellent and official verdict.  they have made no decision about Cav or anyone since there is nothing to make a decisions about.  Nothing untoward happened.

End of story, I doubt it.  I would NEVER be a sprinter.  Or a fast descender.  Or a fast climber for that matter.  

What still stuns me after many replays, is that not one other rider crashed, they all evaded.
Bartali

Comm's have called it so thats that ... but as I see it Cavendish could have avoided that incident but in the heat of the moment chose not to.  There was plenty of room on the right and he had the speed to pass by albeit it was a long way around.  Was Veelers being wily ... for sure.  Did Cavendish mean to take him down?  Of course not.  

I can't get excited by it, though would be quite angry had the crash brought others down.
Fontfroide

Cav did not bring glory to himself when he talked to the mob of media outside the bus.  Rather naughty really.  He still cold work on that a bit.  But I guess we can all see that for ourselves too.

But as for the crash, just an incident of sprinting.  Although I do wonder what might have happened if Cav was brought down by Veelers.  Still, what do I know.
Bartali

In fairness he could have been a lot worse ... and almost certainly would have a few years ago.  I fact his twitters seem quite mature.  I've been a critic of Cavendish in the past, but here, even though he was at least partly to blame IMO, it warrants nothing more than a quiet word with both riders behind the scenes.
gerry12ie

A bit of dog's dinner by OPQS in the train.  Steegmans found himself on the front way too soon and it looked to me like Cav deliberately had to let Gert's wheel go.  Argos Shimano also messed up but did very well to get it back together.  It was a sprinting incident alright but one that probably could have been avoided.
Fontfroide

Sure you are right about the Omega mess up.  He seemed so curt about the team.  Curt is not the word, pissed off is the word.
SAP

Fontfroide wrote:
Not sure who these guys are who come on to make complex things simple and diss Cav, but I think it is more complicated.


Sorry for expressing my opinion, FF.  As a member of this forum thought I could.  I'll go back to lurking. But can I just say that Cav could have avoided the whole incident?  I still believe he went out of his way to barge into the other rider after the other sprinters got 'well' past him.
Bartali

Yup .... I'm with you there SAP.  (Oh, and you are more than welcome to express any opinions you want)
berck

SAP wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Not sure who these guys are who come on to make complex things simple and diss Cav, but I think it is more complicated.


Sorry for expressing my opinion, FF.  As a member of this forum thought I could.  I'll go back to lurking. But can I just say that Cav could have avoided the whole incident?  I still believe he went out of his way to barge into the other rider after the other sprinters got 'well' past him.


I don't read FF's comment to mean that you can't express your opinions. Not everybody is going to agree on things and I'm not sure why we can't all accept that. Everybody is certainly free to express their own opinions. Just don't take it into the personal attack zone.
HuwB

Tuft the early leader in the clubhouse.
Headwind hard going over the Mont's causeway, apparently.
SlowRower

berck wrote:
Not everybody is going to agree on things and I'm not sure why we can't all accept that.


I think one thing we can agree on is that if Cav's botched up a sprint then it's a brave man who goes to interview him immediately afterwards!

His actions both in the sprint and afterwards fall into the "un-necessary" category. A quiet word is in order, all the moreso since all sprinters have a limited shelf-life, Cav's been around a few years now and Kittel is f-ing fast, so he might have to get used to being beaten on a regular basis.
Biosphere

Prince Harry is coming back to Camp Cavendish

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/r...r-omega-pharma-quick-step-in-2014

Selection of start times today

Lars Boom (Belkin): 12:12
Tony Martin (Omega Pharma-Quick Step): 12:36
David Millar (Garmin-Sharp) 13:14
Jonathan Castroviejo Spanish 13:34
Tejay van Garderen (BMC): 14:42
Cadel Evans (BMC): 16:09
Joaquim Rodriguez (Katusha): 16:30
Dan Martin (Garmin-Sharp): 16:33
Nairo Quintana (Movistar): 16:36
Alberto Contador (Saxo-Tinkoff): 16:39
Roman Kreuziger (Saxo-Tinkoff): 16:42
Laurens ten Dam (Belkin): 16:45
Bauke Mollema (Belkin): 16:48
Alejandro Valverde (Movistar): 16:51
Chris Froome (Team Sky): 16:54.
Biosphere

Piss thrown at Cavendish from the roadside today. That's shocking Shocked
Biosphere

Current Top 5

1. MARTIN T. OPQ 36' 29''
2. DE GENDT T. VCD + 01' 01''
3. TUFT S. OGE + 01' 35''
4. ROY J. FDJ + 01' 43''
5. BAK L. LTB + 02' 15''

Wind picking up so Martin probably has it won.
ventoux

Good to see Porte has made a full <ahem > recovery...  Shocked
Biosphere

Saw this on the Guardian's live ticker:

Samuel Beckett was a keen follower of cycle sport and bicycles feature in many of his works. They don't appear in his most famous work; however, although he most often claimed Godot came from the slang word for boots, he did once tell a friend that he had seen a group of lads hanging outside the Paris velodrome waiting to see their heroes, one of whom was a famous six day racer of the forties, Roger Godeau. On asking what they were doing, he received the answer, 'En attendant Godeau' - 'they're waiting for Godeau', and that was when he first thought of the title."
JohnD

hehehe, that's a good tale - sometimes cycling can seem like the Theatre of The Absurd!
Boogerd_Fan

JohnD wrote:
hehehe, that's a good tale - sometimes cycling can seem like the Theatre of The Absurd!


like Froome? Very Happy
Fontfroide

I thought Quintana was a good tester, he is going to lose the jersey to the Pole.  Kwiatowski did ride a blinder, the  guy is really quite good.  Will clearly be one of the "revelations".
Fontfroide

Froome seems to be cleaning up and maybe whupping Martin.  Nah.

And the Agriculteurs de la Manche had a great cow on display,  really good.
gerry12ie

Kwiatowski is the real deal FF.  Quintana's TT is obviously a lot more believable than his Pais Vasco effort...
Biosphere

JohnD wrote:
hehehe, that's a good tale - sometimes cycling can seem like the Theatre of The Absurd!


WIth tales like that, they can either be completely true or false and I'm none the wiser Laughing
Boogerd_Fan

crikey. someone should tell Froome its beter if he makes it look believable.
JohnD

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
JohnD wrote:
hehehe, that's a good tale - sometimes cycling can seem like the Theatre of The Absurd!


like Froome? Very Happy


I'm sure Brailsford would say something like 'I couldn't possibly comment'  Wink
Fontfroide

Looks like more talk about the Tour being over.
Biosphere

Well if the head wind has picked up at the end Martin should still sneak the win unless Froome is going to empty the tank, but either way he's killing the GC.
Boogerd_Fan

oh c'mon when Rassie was killing everyone he was thrown off the race the absurdity of it all. Froome is just a monster.
Fontfroide

Not that many people watching today at the end.  Bit surprising.
Fontfroide

Mollema very respectable.  BF must be delighted.
Boogerd_Fan

Fontfroide wrote:
Mollema very respectable.  BF must be delighted.


FF.. TT of his life... he sucks at flat TT... very happy indeed!

Now if he was to get 2nd place? Does that mean he's prime candidate to retroactively win the TDF in a few years time when Froome's gets popped?
gerry12ie

The Clinic should probably go hyper-nuclear around about NOW!
JohnD

BBC on Cav's golden shower

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23251598
Boogerd_Fan

1. FROOME Christopher 42h 29' 24''
2. VALVERDE Alejandro + 03' 25''
3. MOLLEMA Bauke + 03' 37''
4. CONTADOR Alberto + 03' 54''
5. KREUZIGER Roman + 03' 57''
6. TEN DAM Laurens + 04' 10''
7. KWIATKOWSKI Michal + 04' 44''
8. QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander + 05' 18''
9. COSTA Rui Alberto + 05' 37''
10. PÉRAUD Jean-Christophe + 05' 39''

Rui Costa even gains a place on the GC... despite a piss poor TT says it all really.

Interesting battle for the other places, behind the alien. But we'll have the fun situation of Belkin marking Saxo & Movistar moves in the Alps and vice versa.
Boogerd_Fan

JohnD wrote:
BBC on Cav's golden shower

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23251598


There's a lesson to be learned here John.. just in time for your London-to-Brighton night ride..

ride with mouth closed, stops flying objects entering mouth  Laughing
mazda

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Mollema very respectable.  BF must be delighted.


FF.. TT of his life... he sucks at flat TT... very happy indeed!

Now if he was to get 2nd place? Does that mean he's prime candidate to retroactively win the TDF in a few years time when Froome's gets popped?

Unfortunately for that little plan Valverde was also having the TT of his life, losing 7 secs to Mollema and beating Contador, Kreuziger, Evans, Rogers etc.

So, little change on GC, save for Kwiatkowski.
I saw one of those YouTube vids where he wasn't very positive about winning the white jersey.
Be interesting to see if Quintana is allowed to go, will Kwiatkowski be allowed to go after him ?
He might have to do a Nibs and try and drop Quintana on the preceding descent.
I think he used the descents on Sunday to catch up after the early climbs did he not ?
(as well as "attacking" on the final descent)
Nolte

JohnD wrote:

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."


"wait, i've tasted this before and it's not water"

Very Happy
JohnD

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
JohnD wrote:
BBC on Cav's golden shower

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23251598


There's a lesson to be learned here John.. just in time for your London-to-Brighton night ride..

ride with mouth closed, stops flying objects entering mouth  Laughing


Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Biosphere

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
JohnD wrote:
BBC on Cav's golden shower

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23251598


There's a lesson to be learned here John.. just in time for your London-to-Brighton night ride..

ride with mouth closed, stops flying objects entering mouth  Laughing


Laughing  Laughing
mazda

I'm more pissed that they didn't have a real go on Sunday now.
Always protecting their high GC finish and damn World Tour points.

Apart from Froome I guess there were just too many of them and all at the same level - look how closely grouped they all are today for a start.

Froome doing no more today than he did in both of last years ITTs.
Except of course no Brad.
berck

Remember when Evans used to TT well....
Bartali

Its just a joke!!!  Love the way the Broadman tries to justify the unbelievable by noting that because Froome's such a light guy he's going to be really fast [over a pan flat course].  I've argued this before when Bertie was matching Cancellara ... climbers do not make for brilliant testers on pan flat courses.  If its too good to be true ...

Not a Cavendish man, but no need for the 'golden shower'.  Very bad form.
Fontfroide

Boogerd_Fan wrote:


Now if he was to get 2nd place? Does that mean he's prime candidate to retroactively win the TDF in a few years time when Froome's gets popped?


I would not get overexcited, just be happy with his Tour so far.  He is young.  Young guys tend to make mistakes.  He is on one of my teams anyway, so I thought of you too.  So many young disappointments on this Tour that its good to see one do well.
Fontfroide

The gap between 3rd and 22nd was ONLY one and half minutes.  We appear to have one total world champion ITT specialist, Froome and literally the rest.  All of whom are more or less on the same level.  

In my mind that is one important reason why (to be simplistic) more of them didn't attack in the mountains, they couldn't really.  Froome just caught the ones who tried and carried on.  He unquestionably the strongest rider in the pack.  

On the other hand, the strongest does not always win, sometimes the boldest or the cleverest, or most surprising.  I wonder what we are going to see.  I hope bold, creative, clever and surprising rides are what we get.  I hope those who think they will ride for podium places and world Cup Points are wrong wrong wrong.  But of course, the odds are on their side.

I just hope the French win one stage.  It's fair, non?
Slapshot 3

So Cav got piss thrown at him...Froome continues to take the piss...another great day on the tour. Froomes performance today had all the believeability of Berto's at Annecy in 2009.

All joking aside, that seems as low a trick as I can remember, why would anyone throw piss at someone (other than rather oddly kinky people).
Beasley

Looks like the Spanish Armada are as successful passing the Race of Truth as the Azzurri are passing Dope Control!!  Laughing
HuwB

JohnD wrote:
BBC on Cav's golden shower

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23251598


Again, just finished watching.

Impossible to distinguish pee from the average, bottom shelf, vin de table blanc. Wink

Well, I figured Martin to beat Froome by around 20 seconds.
Hope that was the headwind caused the 15 second "dump", otherwise I might have been heading for the Clinic.

Great rides from Kwiakowski, Mollema and.................rubbish Roche, pretty fair from Valverde, Kreuziger and Ten Dam.
Poor from Contador again.
My total turkey award goes to...............Jakob Fuglsang.
JohnD

Maybe a bottle of Blue Nun on the way to St Michel?

I thought Contador would do better, seemed up for it in the TTT but not my FP
Bartali

JohnD wrote:
BBC on Cav's golden shower

"The liquid was thrown from a bottle. The 28-year-old Cavendish initially thought it was water but quickly realised what it was from the taste."

So he got to wear the yellow jersey in the Tour after all .....
Boogerd_Fan

surprised no-one has turned any heads by Sagan's 17th... surprisingly good considering the race of truth is his one weakness.
Bartali

It certainly surprised me Boogie!!!
gerry12ie

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
surprised no-one has turned any heads by Sagan's 17th... surprisingly good considering the race of truth is his one weakness.


Boogie, this is modern cycling - there are no weaknesses any more.  Pursuiters win Grand Tours, rouleurs outclimb climbers, climbers output more on the flat than TT'ers and puncheurs win sprints!  Wink

And nobody dopes.
Bartali

Aint that the truth!!  Thank goodness for clean cycling.
HuwB

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
surprised no-one has turned any heads by Sagan's 17th... surprisingly good considering the race of truth is his one weakness.


That's because I know the answer. Wink
https://twitter.com/Knollselleri/status/354974259682111489/photo/1

Not quite parked on the parcel shelf..........
phildange

Fontfroide wrote:
The gap between 3rd and 22nd was ONLY one and half minutes.  We appear to have one total world champion ITT specialist, Froome and literally the rest.  All of whom are more or less on the same level.  

In my mind that is one important reason why (to be simplistic) more of them didn't attack in the mountains, they couldn't really.  Froome just caught the ones who tried and carried on.  He unquestionably the strongest rider in the pack.  

On the other hand, the strongest does not always win, sometimes the boldest or the cleverest, or most surprising.  I wonder what we are going to see.  I hope bold, creative, clever and surprising rides are what we get.  I hope those who think they will ride for podium places and world Cup Points are wrong wrong wrong.  But of course, the odds are on their side.


I fully agree Sir . Even if I"ll for ever regret the epic battles of yesteryear, I can't see how the Tour winner could be anyone else than the guy who's the best in mountain AND ITT . Unless a crash there's no point dreaming of suspense . We can still find an interest in everything else . But about your hopes I'm afraid rigid team tactics AND those F... radios have torn off a lot of heroic fantasy . To take 2 minutes to this Froome the race should reintroduce madness .
I want radios Verbotten !
Bartali

HuwB wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
surprised no-one has turned any heads by Sagan's 17th... surprisingly good considering the race of truth is his one weakness.


That's because I know the answer. Wink
https://twitter.com/Knollselleri/status/354974259682111489/photo/1

Not quite parked on the parcel shelf..........


Shocked  Laughing  Laughing  Well that explains a lot.
Boogerd_Fan

haha nearly on the passenger seat.
Fontfroide

Nice shot, Huw.  But he is a very strong rider.  Never could work out why he was not good at time trials.  Maybe he has learned to focus a little bit.
mr shifter

SAP wrote:


Sorry for expressing my opinion, FF.  As a member of this forum thought I could.  I'll go back to lurking. But can I just say that Cav could have avoided the whole incident?  I still believe he went out of his way to barge into the other rider after the other sprinters got 'well' past him.
Do you not think that Cavendish sees the guy look round for him and sees him wander into his path and in an instant second thinks that he is fair game for being in the way to be side swiped.
If Veelers had had control of his bike he wouldn't have fallen and in my opinion he should be out because what he attempted was far worse than Mark Renshaw.
mr shifter

HuwB wrote:
Boogerd_Fan wrote:
surprised no-one has turned any heads by Sagan's 17th... surprisingly good considering the race of truth is his one weakness.


That's because I know the answer. Wink
https://twitter.com/Knollselleri/status/354974259682111489/photo/1

RTTC Rules & Regulations
That would be automatic Disqualification.
At no time can a rider take pace from another or any vehicle.
The onus is on the rider to drop back or overtake.
berck

Fontfroide wrote:
Nice shot, Huw.  But he is a very strong rider.  Never could work out why he was not good at time trials.  Maybe he has learned to focus a little bit.


And learned how to take advantage of situations when the officials aren't looking... Wink
Fontfroide

SAP wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Not sure who these guys are who come on to make complex things simple and diss Cav, but I think it is more complicated.


Sorry for expressing my opinion, FF.  As a member of this forum thought I could.  I'll go back to lurking. But can I just say that Cav could have avoided the whole incident?  I still believe he went out of his way to barge into the other rider after the other sprinters got 'well' past him.


I have no idea why you should apologise to me.  You are totally entitled to express your opinion, and me to say I think you make things too simple or are plain wrong.  

But I do admit that my first remark about lurkers who suddenly pop up is very much unnecessary.  I should never have made it.  I will try to do a bit better.

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