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Tour 2013, Stages 1-3: Corsican Connection, 29th Jun-1st Jul

Biosphere wrote:
I'll do the maps and stuff for this tomorrow, but I'll share this for now. A Google Earth file from a very clever friend of mine. All the stage routes in detail and can be used offline. Some might recall that I shared similar from him last year. Route details have been taken from ASO website.

Interactive so can zoom in to look at a stage on a very high resolution. Right clicking on stage will give the option of looking at elevation profile and that's interactive too so zooming in is possible, a climb or a section of a climb can be highlighted and gradients calculated and so on. The stages are listed in the temporary places window on the left of the GE screen and you can choose which stages to display on the map by clicking on the relevant box. Switch them all on or off with the master box at the top. Click on a stage to see the categorised climbs and their location. Click on a climb to see its stats.

You won't find much better than this for interactivity, and if you do let me know Smile If anybody can't quite figure it out or hasn't used Google earth before, post questions and I'll answer.

Data has been lifted from ASO's map 'server', which is serving up the interactive map data on the more usual stage by stage pages that are where one usually ends up when looking for info.

http://tdf2013.webgeoservices.com...tal/mapviewers/65/?format=browser


Click to download file


Wow! Awesome.
kathy

Fancy moving it to the GT thread, Bio? Wink
HuwB

kathy wrote:
Fancy moving it to the GT thread, Bio? Wink


I was wondering about this, too.
I'm going to be in Toulon for all the big finishing stages,Embarassed  plus
I've got this on in the middle week:

http://www.abergavennyfestivalofcycling.co.uk/

So, I won't be around as much to get the full Tour experience.

All 3 Corsican stages will be shown from gun to tape, live.
Stage 9 also, with a very early start by Tour standards. Smile
Biosphere

kathy wrote:
Fancy moving it to the GT thread, Bio? Wink


A good point simply made Smile

I thought I was being sensible by leaving a copy of the thread in the general forum which I was going to delete once the thread was copied here safely.

Bad Idea!
Fontfroide

Please can we just have one week, then the second week and then the third week.  That last experience with the Giro got my mind twisted looking for stages and so forth.  

Please.  One week, two weeks, three weeks.

Please.

Of course if the chopped up approach prevails, I will go along.

But keep it simple.  Or else someone has to think up a bloody name for each three or four stages.

Please.
gerry12ie

And, by the way, a huge thanks to Kathy, Huw and Bio and others who post race profiles and start lists - its greatly appreciated.  

Thanks guys.
kathy

For those who haven't noticed yet, the FP thread for GCetc and Week 1 is now available

http://justcycling.myfastforum.or...=cba60e9fa8d09e732cf64c8bad705672
HuwB

The calm before the storm?

Just a reminder to anybody hanging around who might wish to soak up the "atmosphere" of the Tour team presentation, that it's on Eurosport and various other channels, such as Rai Sport 2, this evening from around 18-30CET. (17-30ish UK)
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
Please can we just have one week, then the second week and then the third week.  That last experience with the Giro got my mind twisted looking for stages and so forth.  

Please.  One week, two weeks, three weeks.

Please.

Of course if the chopped up approach prevails, I will go along.

But keep it simple.  Or else someone has to think up a bloody name for each three or four stages.

Please.


My sense of humour has been tapping me on the shoulder for the last few days telling me I should groups the stages into a pseudorandom sequence of prime numbers just to keep you on your toes. With regards to the naming of the groups, I was going to be cryptic and use obscure clues like the The Pyreneen Pinnacles, or The Alpine Ascensions but I can see how that would cause confusion Wink

Here is some belated info on the first 3 stages, along with what ASO's course director hopes will happen. What he hopes usually doesn't come to pass though.

Stage 1
Jean-François Pescheux wrote:
"Why isn't there a prologue? Quite simply because we wanted to take the fullest advantage of Corsica, the only region of France that has never previously welcomed the Tour de France. With that in mind, we've put together a first stage of 212km that runs through magnificent countryside: we will start off by heading to beautiful Bonifacio! There's little doubt we will also start with a win for a sprinter. This is a golden opportunity for the likes of Cavendish, for example, to claim the yellow jersey. I'll remind you that the previous road stage "openings", at Plumelec and Les Herbiers, finished on the top of hills, which favoured the puncheurs. Here, the advantage lies with the pure sprinters."






Stage 2
Jean-François Pescheux wrote:
"Initially, there will be plenty of hoopla around the yellow jersey: whether it's Cavendish or Kittel, we should expect the race to unfold in exactly the same way, and the same goes if Sagan has it. That's because this second stage is a real rollercoaster ride: the Col de la Serra and Col de Vizzavona, followed, at the end, by the Côte du Salario. If you ask me, this parcours is going to cause some real damage! The sprinters will bail out one after another. I even think a team leader who is not in the best of condition ? I'm thinking of how Evans was last year ? could see all of their hopes dashed on this stage, before sinking altogether on the stage that follows, on a course where it will be even harder to hide away..."







Stage 3
Jean-François Pescheux wrote:
"We are not going to hide our feeling of satisfaction: this is the kind of stage we've been looking for for years! It's simple: there's not a single metre of flat, which means the peloton will get very stretched out, presenting the very real possibility of splits occurring. Let this be a warning to any team leaders who might mistakenly believe they can ride towards the back of the field? especially as, at 145km, this stage is very short! It will give the puncheurs plenty to conjure with. Thinking about just the French riders of that type, I can imagine Voeckler and Chavanel will be itching to get going... Whatever happens, at the finish we will know the names of those riders who can't win this Tour."




kathy

Reminder - the FP thread is available here

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/about4957.html

Stage 1 starts at 12.00CET and all GCetc picks and stage 1 must be made by then!
Boogerd_Fan

Does anyone know any elevation stats for each stage? e.g. total climbing in m
Fontfroide

Sorry for causing trouble.  I will try hard to keep up.  those who actually post threads should feel unrestricted in their literary and cycling terminology to divide the race into as many segments as they like.  I will try hard to keep up.
HuwB

Nice views over Porto Vecchio atm. Had an air force fly past.
As yet, no sign of a rider............hang on, Vichot has appeared.
Anyhow, Eurosport with the usual chit chat bloke.


...............the tape is about to be cut, the riders await..............................

............and the Lions about to kick off!
Nolte

boom sent in the break to show people what the belkin jersey looks like.
HuwB

I'm running 50kms behind, having endured the Lion's test...............
Kirby in overdrive already.
ITV4 or maybe France 2HD are calling.......
kathy

I'm watching TDP
Biosphere

Have settled for HD in Italian even if I won't understand everything. Cannot bring to listen to Phil and Paul. Their exit from the sport is as overdue as McQuaid's.

Cavendish shouting at Movistar a while back. Feeling the pressure of taking yellow?

The Shack bikes do not look so guilty of crimes against color on TV compared to the picture I posted.
Biosphere

Did Sagan just get ahead of Cavendish at the intermediate?

Belkin kit looks simple and easy on the eye.
kathy

Froome fell off his bike before the stage even started!
Biosphere

The glider dingy looks like fun Smile

As usual, all these GC teams trying to stay at the front and out of trouble are probably going to cause trouble sooner or later.
kathy

Hoogerland comes a cropper!
Nolte

aqccording to carlton kirby, the orica green edge bus has crashed into the finishing line

also johnny hoogerland crashes into a barrier.

14.5km to go
Biosphere

Another crash. Surprised the sprint teams are not stretching out a bit now. Only 10 km to go now.
kathy

Hesjedal in trouble!
Biosphere

Somebody's going to be in big trouble if that bus doesn't get moved Smile
Biosphere

I thought it was football where the team bus got parked in an inopportune location.
gerry12ie

Kirby drags sports commentary to a new low.  Farcical chaos, welcome to the the first week of TDF crashing...
Biosphere

So are they bending the rules on everyone being given the same time? Crash was outside the 3 km I thought?
gerry12ie

That was a ridiculous and dangerous decision to revert back to the original finish with less than 10k to go.  The teams and riders would have every right to be furious.
Fontfroide

They should be furious at the Orica driver or maybe the guys who built the arrivee structure.  I thought it was handled rather well and quickly.  Completely strange though.  The crashes were more of a problem.
HuwB

Well another madcap day at the comedy Tour.
Total snoozefest until 10kms to go, then the normal utter chaos.
Thank goodness the OGE bus did what it did, otherwise a few people's
Tours would be over before they started.

What a farce.

Kathy must be a very happy bunny. I have Mr Kittel in a season long game, so also not too upset.
On the other hand BF must be contemplating suicide as he may now not be able to pick Sagan for 17 stage wins! Laughing

I suppose we will now have to wait to pick the GC bones out of that..........literally.
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
That was a ridiculous and dangerous decision to revert back to the original finish with less than 10k to go.  The teams and riders would have every right to be furious.


It sounds like it was with a lot less than 10 km to go. Seems like giving everyone the same time is to apologise for the farce.
kathy

Think someone else picked Kittel late on.   I'd rather he'd won from a proper sprint though.  That was crazy!
HuwB

Tony Martin broken collar bone.
Geraint off for x ray.
Kittel: "I didn't know about the bus or the 3km possible finish." Shocked
gerry12ie

Wow, Kittel was just interviewed on ES and he had no idea about the bus or the finish line original change or second change.  He found out from the interviewer - so much for race radios...
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
gerry12ie wrote:
That was a ridiculous and dangerous decision to revert back to the original finish with less than 10k to go.  The teams and riders would have every right to be furious.


It sounds like it was with a lot less than 10 km to go. Seems like giving everyone the same time is to apologise for the farce.


i think we received that it was 11km to go that the line was changed to 3km

and then inside the 6km to go, it was changed back to the original. it was changed back roughly when the crash happened that took out cavendish.

one thing though, surprisingly no one went to attack and with the 3km to go with their arms raised in victory.
Nolte

from letour.fr text commentary

Quote:
17:10 All riders will get same time

Greipel and Sagan are out of the equation but we can report that, because of the confusion, every rider will be awarded the same time in stage one.
17:09 Finish at the real finish

The bus has been removed from under the finish structure, which means that the finish is back in the original location.

17:05 Finish: 3km shorter than planned

There has been an incident at the site of the finish with the Orica-GreenEdge team bus getting stuck in the finish structure. It means that the finish of today's stage will be three kilometres earlier than planned. It means we have just 5km to go in the stage.

This is an unprecented last-minute adjustment but the announcement has been made by the race jury and, we hope, is being relayed to the riders by their directeurs sportif.
Fontfroide

Good to know that Marc Madiot is capable of ranting about how the decisions to change and the decision to change back were outrageous.  he even parted with a remark about how the Spanish Commissioner should go back where he came from.  I have to admit I have never been a fan of Madiot and never will be.
Fontfroide

Very sad about Tony Martin.  I really do dislike these injuries in the first few days.  Won't help Cav either.
Boogerd_Fan

Biosphere wrote:
Did Sagan just get ahead of Cavendish at the intermediate?

Belkin kit looks simple and easy on the eye.


I thought Cav had far better speed for 7th behind Greipel's 6th... Sagan seemed to hesitate and then wait with a late kick for 8th.

Missed the most important part so will have to catch up later... but blimey, didn't expect that many impacted!

LOL @ Froome crashing in the neutral zone. An early sign of mental frailty?

Huw.. i'm still good, there's still 17 chances Razz Very Happy
HuwB

Riders definitely confirmed as down:
Out:-Tony Martin (no wonder):




Wounded:-
Alberto Contador
Peter Sagan
Geraint Thomas
Andreas Kloden
Tony Gallopin
Mark Irizar
Phil Gilbert............

Big name riders who finished behind these guys, so obviously have some problem or other:
Baulke Mollema
TJVG.
Jani Brajkovic
Rui Costa

Sir Chris Hoy currently being interviewed at Wimble about Braders and Froome.
Boogerd_Fan

From Belkin website... Mollema was on the ground too, minor scrapes, after evasive gambol to avoid street furniture.
He finished on Tankink's bike.

Sagan did a gambol too... but looks like his crash was caused by a Saxo rider who got barged by... Cav? or was that greipel moving up @ 40seconds?
http://youtu.be/xus4bO9i74U
Biosphere

I think that's Greipel moving up. Presume the Quick step rider who goes down first is Martin. That photo looks horrible Sad

Still surprised that the sprinters teams didn't try to up the pace a little and control it a bit better.
HuwB

Watched it a number of times. Radio Shack rider on the outside of the OPQS train, slightly off road, caused a bit of a squeeze. Looks as if Martin went over his falling team mate.
Ironically, as a result, two RS riders seemed to come off as badly as anybody.
Mollema definitely down.

Cav was a fair way behind, simply held up, not involved.

Looks to me as if Contador panicked a bit, locked up and came off, well back from the original pile up.

EDIT: ITV 4 just did a close up, slo mo run through and it's just as I described, except Tony Martin was OPQS man 1 down. Boy, that was quite a tumble.

Update on Geraint Thomas is that he's OK.
sabcarrera

So they moved it to the - 3 km because that was where the neutralisation timers were (a stupid move as it put the finish on an S bend. Then changed it at short notice.
The organisers should have swallowed their pride and neutralised the stage
HuwB

This show is part of the Tour for me. (and Maffy)
http://dazsports.org/?page_id=410
Biosphere

Sounds like a train that's in a lot of pain. I am surprised that with Martin having lost consciousness twice that they still consider him carrying on - especially since they talk about rider safety. Concussion, head injuries and all that.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quickstep-licking-its-wounds-in-bastia

I did think I should revise my FP, but I can see Cavendish detrmined to fight back even if it is against the odds. Talk of the green jersey being gone are wide of the mark I think given that a lot of the other contenders didn't get points either.
gerry12ie

An awful lot of costly crashes this season for OPQS, and a proper dog's dinner made of the finish by ASO.  They should have made a decision and stuck to it even though the 3k to go position looked lethal for a sprint  and probably would have caused the same carnage had they sprinted there.

Unfortunately the 1st week of the TDF has, in recent years, become particularly dangerous so I'm afraid we can expect more of the same for the rest of this week.  Pretty poor that nobody checked the headroom of finishes for team buses.  For 'the biggest and greatest sporting event in the world' that is just sloppy...
kathy

Today's stage starts at 13.25CET.  All FPs for stage 2 to be in by then.

http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra211917.php#211917
Biosphere

gerry12ie wrote:
Unfortunately the 1st week of the TDF has, in recent years, become particularly dangerous . . .


I think there's an element of the intentional in that with the desire for dramatic things to happen over the entire 3 weeks. In the ASO previews I posted, there is a sense of excitement (to my reading anyway) at the prospect of a contender having fallen by the wayside before they leave Corsica.

Edit: Martin will start Stage 2

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...ce-tony-martin-will-start-stage-2
Nolte

Biosphere wrote:
Sounds like a train that's in a lot of pain. I am surprised that with Martin having lost consciousness twice that they still consider him carrying on - especially since they talk about rider safety. Concussion, head injuries and all that.



with a concussion, he shouldn't continue.
HuwB

I've done the narrow gauge railway, but from Ajaccio to Bastia. Incredible interior........Corsica, that is.
Fontfroide

Voeckler tried and failed, or FDJ did really well.  Pinot must serious and fit.  Mind you, Madiot is not much of a strategist.
HuwB

FDJ driving and dropping big groups.
Meanwhile, the rest of FDJ are chasing with Bouhanni?
Not sure what this game plan is about.
gerry12ie

Kirby is making this difficult...
Fontfroide

Help me out here, why are FDJ riding so hard, today, now?  Protect Pinot does not make sense.  That is what they say on TV.
Fontfroide

Could Rolland already be showing his interest in the KOM?
gerry12ie

Its clear that Europcar are out for the KOM prize right from the go.  French are up for this, even if FDJ seem a little over-excited...
Fontfroide

Already getting annoyed with the Anti-Sky commentators.  Anytime Sky looks like it is in trouble, they gloat.  So they discover that Ian Stannard, Siutsou, Lopez and Geraint are not climbing with Froome and the decay of Empire is hinted at.
kathy

Peloton seems very cautious on the descent
Fontfroide

Looks like Sagan is still in the big group at the front, Gilbert too.
Fontfroide

No Bouhanni, no Cav, no Greipel, no Kittel, no Goss in front.
Fontfroide

EBH still in front.
Bartali

Fontfroide wrote:
Already getting annoyed with the Anti-Sky commentators.  Anytime Sky looks like it is in trouble, they gloat.  So they discover that Ian Stannard, Siutsou, Lopez and Geraint are not climbing with Froome and the decay of Empire is hinted at.


Not sure where you are getting that from because I've only just switched on, but maybe its a backlash to the other camp where you can't pick up a cycling magazine or broadsheet without reading pages of sycophantic pro Sky rubbish.
Bartali

HuwB wrote:




Ouch!!  I still remember the day I rode past him on the Aspin! Shocked




I was going down while he was going up!  Laughing
Fontfroide

Bartali wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Already getting annoyed with the Anti-Sky commentators.  Anytime Sky looks like it is in trouble, they gloat.  So they discover that Ian Stannard, Siutsou, Lopez and Geraint are not climbing with Froome and the decay of Empire is hinted at.


Not sure where you are getting that from because I've only just switched on, but maybe its a backlash to the other camp where you can't pick up a cycling magazine or broadsheet without reading pages of sycophantic pro Sky rubbish.


I can understand that in the UK.  I am watching the French commentators, Thierry Adams is the one who notices, picked it up from Jalabert last year I guess.  Cedric Vasseur is our other guy, he does not seem too bad.

It is a sure thing that anti-Sky is one unifying thread in a complicated tapestry of the Tour and probably any GT.
Fontfroide

Vasseur noticed Froome was third or fourth inline and declared he was exposed, for example.  beating sky, and finding the least weakness is clearly going to be one of the themes of this year.
Fontfroide

Froome attacks?  What?
Fontfroide

Good racing.
berck

Wow
Bartali

The lad did well to hang on for that win ... talk about by the skin of his teeth!!
berck

Great job by Bakelants. I was worried he was going to lose it in the end. Great to see a break actually work.
Fontfroide

My announcers were calling the winner Irazar all the way, when he was Bakelants.  Why the mistake?
gerry12ie

I'm not sure I can stick Kirby's histrionics for three weeks... Oh my goodness!

Good race though, and a good win against a disjointed chase, although I cant help but picture the Trek dealers adopting the VW Golf advert selling point - 'and at a glance, it just like a Bianchi'.
berck

They said it was Bakelants now.
Fontfroide

Already two yellow jerseys, bound to be four at least.  Record is eight.
Fontfroide

Just noted Daveed is in there again, what is going on?
HuwB

Well, there I was at 6kms to go, when there's a knock at the door.
Aren't family great? Rolling Eyes  Wink

Bakelants? Makes more sense, but when you've got Phillock, Paul and noisy relatives, just as well start again from scratch with the highlights.
In any case, the unexpected result suits a stage full of odd tactical choices.
The strangest of which was half of FDJ putting the hammer down, while the other half were trying to keep their sprinter in contact.

Rolland? Has learnt too many bad habits from Voeckler to be a serious contender, imo.
Nolte

great win by bakelandts today.

dogs and cycling don't mix. currently nursing 2 wounds as evidence of that
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
My announcers were calling the winner Irazar all the way, when he was Bakelants.  Why the mistake?


Must have been from some central ASO source as Swiss TV (the German flavour) were at it as well and listing Irazar's palmares in the final km and asking if the Spaniard could hang on for victory. I didn't know any better, but I've always assumed just assumed commentators just read the number of the rider off the same pictures we did and looked up their start list.

I was out, but fortunately I was the one doing the knocking on a door with about 6km to go (honestly) and my brother-in-law was impressively quick in grabbing his opportunity to grab two beers from the fridge and switch the TV to watch the end of it with the excuse that he was just being a good host Smile

But yes, when they win by a few metres it's class. Wonder if the dog just took the edge off the chase for a few seconds. Clown of an owner.
Boogerd_Fan

FDJ riding hard to contain Rolland? In case Pinot has eyes on polka dots??

It's a stretch, but i can't see why they'd want to distance the (other) sprinters, if it made their own get dropped in the process!

What about the dog at the finish? Not sure it made much difference - but the 1s difference was as slight as it could get.
gerry12ie

Speaking of dogs... Froome looks like an ugly duckling when he is in the train, hunched over his SRM all elbows and knees and then bam! he kicks and he looks like a proper fluid rider.  Ok he will never have the souplesse of Roche or Contador but the more I see him he looks like a rider that wants to go out and attack and maybe isn't terribly comfortable with the powertrain setup.  

I still haven't seen a career trajectory quite like his before though...
HuwB

Early start and an early finish today, so I guess I'll be stuck playing catch up again. Sad
The final climb is much longer than the catagorized section, so I can't see any sprinters being there. Especially as the final 2kms average 9.2%.
A number of riders now well down on GC.
In which case, if their teams choose not to chase the break, Cannondale could be in for some heavy duty lifting.
kathy

HuwB wrote:

In which case, if their teams choose not to chase the break, Cannondale could be in for some heavy duty lifting.


Cannondale? WHy?
Biosphere

I would say today it's a day for Cannondale to build a buffer in the green jersey competition.

Reading that G Thomas has hairline fracture in pelvis, but trying to continue for now.
Slapshot 3

If Sky keep killing things every time Saxo hit the front they will be bolloxed come the mountains!!
Bartali

Watching Froome yesterday brought to mind Hesjedal's early 'show of strength' in the Giro?  Show of strength or bluster ... or simply getting to the front for the descent as the Sky PR machine says on CN.

Schleck says it was too early and for my money it was a bit crazy as there was quite a long run in so its difficult to see it being about time.

Mind games I guess ... but what to conclude is a difficult call.
HuwB

I've stayed in Sagone, Porto and Calvi. Really special places.
The road from Porto to Calvi is very, very scary, especially in a bus.
Sheer drops off the narrow coastal road. A lot of reversing required.
We managed to hit some Italians in a car.

Also very, very scary is the cost of living.
Biosphere

Bartali wrote:
Mind games I guess ... but what to conclude is a difficult call.


I guess it was just a shake of the tree to see if anything fell out. Some might be on a bad day after their rendezvous with the tarmac on Saturday.
Fontfroide

Maybe better chances this time for Sylvain.
Fontfroide

Sprinters gonna catch them.
Boogerd_Fan

OMG what does he have to do!?!?!
Fontfroide

So I guess either Sagan can be beat in a given sprint, or he is feeling a bit poorly with the crash.  Anyway, I do look forward to a proper big sprint with all the teams and sprinters, but maybe it will never happen.

Although I suppose the green jersey is not going to change backs for some time to come, maybe the rest of the Tour.

After the TTT the real Tour will begin.
Fontfroide

Never knew Kwiatowski was 1.76, not a big fellow.
Biosphere

Fontfroide wrote:
So I guess either Sagan can be beat in a given sprint, . . .


For sure he's beatable - he was even beatable at the ToC with a hardly stellar field. He's always there or there abouts though and as you say he's not going to give up green easily now.

Gerrans disrupted Gilbert very nicely with a few hundred metres to go.

Three days of unexpected results from Corsica. I'll take that barring the opening day crashes.
Fontfroide

Yes, good point, surprises always a bit of fun.
mr shifter

Boogerd_Fan wrote:
OMG what does he have to do!?!?!

I don't know, you tell me.

155th. GESINK Robert - BEL 00:08:26
mr shifter

Fontfroide wrote:
Never knew Kwiatowski was 1.76, not a big fellow.

Anybody know who is in Green tonight as I think this guy must be near.
berck

Fontfroide wrote:

After the TTT the real Tour will begin.


I thought the real Tour started last Saturday? Wink
Biosphere

mr shifter wrote:
Fontfroide wrote:
Never knew Kwiatowski was 1.76, not a big fellow.

Anybody know who is in Green tonight as I think this guy must be near.


Sagan (and in the white too). Cavendish 15th with 25 points.

1 Peter Sagan 74
2 Marcel Kittel 57
3 Alexander Kristoff 48
4 Michal Kwiatkowski 41
5 Lars Boom 40
6 Danny van Poppel 39
7 Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil 36
8 Simon Gerrans 32
9 Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni (Spa) 32
10 Jan Bakelants (Bel) RadioShack Leopard 30

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