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Biosphere

Tirreno-Adriatico: Wed 11th - 17th March 2015

Just to kick this off and remind people that there is an FP thread in the usual place. Also the rather surprising news that the opener is no longer a 23km TTT, but a 5.7km ITT prologue for reasons of "meteo"

Edit:
FP thread here
http://justcycling.myfastforum.org/sutra224076.php#224076

Extreme Rain and Wind
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/t...placed-with-short-individual-test
Nolte

3 - hutarovich
4 - fuglsang
5 - gallopin
HuwB

Two thirds of my Velogames team sprinters wiped out by Cav's rear wheel. Sad
Nolte

Nolte wrote:
3 - hutarovich
4 - fuglsang
5 - gallopin


this explains my missing paris-nice fps.

Anyway, etixx-qs are investigating cavendish's slipped chain which seems to be the cause of the crash
Boogerd_Fan

well that was more promising from S4gan today.. or should that be S2gan?

anyway.. clearly the fastest, he was only let down by stupid positioning with 500m to go.

https://www.s4gan.sk/
HuwB

Another terminally dull race.
5 laps around an urban sprawl.
The UCI reckon this sort of thing is the future of cycling,
Biosphere

HuwB wrote:
Another terminally dull race.


But your FP came home with a single rider - better than winning the Gold Cup Wink

Just finished catching up with both of the races. One of those days for FFWDing. One might think they would try to compete a bit with each other and come up with a more novel course.

Anyway,  Sagan would have won by a mile had he not been bouncing around like a pinball with a few hundred to go.
HuwB

I got my fp answer.
GVA just said he's going to try and get over the climbs to go for the stage.
HuwB

Both Hayman and Durbridge have been on the deck.
Contador also just involved in a crash, but doesn't look to have been on the tarmac.
Nolte

25k left in tirreno and 50k left in milan san remo.

Durbridge has done his work and hayman on his own.
Biosphere

Sticking with the TV recording theme RAI is split across both RAIS 1 and RAI3, but I guess those that watch RAI are used to that sort of split by now.
HuwB

Biosphere wrote:
Sticking with the TV recording theme RAI is split across both RAIS 1 and RAI3, but I guess those that watch RAI are used to that sort of split by now.


Out for lunch.
Recording Rai Sport 2 and hoping Eurosport will arrive to pick up the second hour.
In the meantime, the weather:

https://twitter.com/LottoJumbo_road/status/577071761843494912/photo/1

https://twitter.com/TdF__2015/status/577080868688281601/photo/1
HuwB

Rai have gone live and the weather up top is foul.
Be surprised if they can supply pictures on the Terminillo.
Fingers crossed.
Nolte

25k left, -1 at the finish

2 astana riders in breakaway, an ag2r and a movistar
Nolte

quintana attacks, a bit up the road. Contador raises tempo from the stroll
mazda

That was impressive.
mazda

Code:
General Classification after Stage 5
COL  1  QUINTANA ROJAS, Nairo Alexander (MOVISTAR)   19:54:45
NED  2  MOLLEMA, Bauke (TREK FACTORY RACING)           +   39
COL  3  URAN URAN, Rigoberto (ETIXX - QUICK STEP)      +   48
FRA  4  PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ)                           +   57
ESP  5  CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (TINKOFF - SAXO)     + 1:03
GBR  6  YATES, Adam (ORICA GreenEDGE)                  + 1:04
ITA  7  POZZOVIVO, Domenico (AG2R LA MONDIALE)         + 1:06
ESP  8  RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA)            + 1:07
Nolte

mazda wrote:
That was impressive.


yes it was, a real strong performance
HuwB

Just watched.
That stage was all white. Smile
Thank goodness Quintana got bored of sitting in the file.
Bertie well behind last years form, but not as far as Nibs!
mazda

HuwB wrote:

Bertie well behind last years form, but not as far as Nibs!

Yes, but unlike a lot of sports, it is the 'peaks' that define a riders season rather than their average or total over the entire year.

Following on from the Giro '14, clearly Quintana likes riding in bad weather.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:

Yes, but unlike a lot of sports, it is the 'peaks' that define a riders season rather than their average or total over the entire year.


Completely true but when some are hanging around on the glacial trough at this point of the season, it's probably fair to wonder what it means?

In general, the snow made for quite an epic looking stage, but had the sun been shining the stop go carry-on behind would have been disappointing I think. A weekend that was made better by the weather in both races.
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:

Yes, but unlike a lot of sports, it is the 'peaks' that define a riders season rather than their average or total over the entire year.


Completely true but when some are hanging around on the glacial trough at this point of the season, it's probably fair to wonder what it means?

Still working off the calzoni ?
Biosphere

mazda wrote:

Still working off the calzoni ?


Mmmmm . . . The King of Pizzas Smile
mazda

Sagan gets his first win of the season, as do I  Very Happy

Interestingly poised TT tomorrow.
15 km would be even more interesting.

Quintana should be able to defend his lead but the last few km will seem awfully long with any kind of headwind.
Cummings looks to have top 5 chances.
mazda

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:

Still working off the calzoni ?


Mmmmm . . . The King of Pizzas Smile


I'm not sure why they haven't taken off more over here given our eating habits.
People will buy an overpriced, scraggly bit of pizza from a bakery/cafe.
I'd be a lot more tempted in that direction if there were a selection of mini-calzone to choose from.
mr shifter

Biosphere wrote:
mazda wrote:

Still working off the calzoni ?


Mmmmm . . . The King of Pizzas Smile
That threw me a bit about Pizzas, so I looked it up as I'm sure I had had some.
I had Italian neighbours for 11 years and Gino came from the Vineyards above Trento and Dora came from Napoli.
Needless to say but I've had some Calzone (and Pizzas were not known at that time except on USA TV) and several evenings in the garden with bottles of wine. Hick, excuse me.

PS : I prefer a Cornish Pastie.
Bartali

Cancellara whines ...
Quote:
"The road was white, it was covered in snow. In Italy, they call it ‘ciclismo storico’ but I’m not interested in making history or what Fausto Coppi and Gino Bartali did in the forties and fifties. It’s 2015. If we want legendary cycling, then let’s race with only a fixed gear, with one bidon for a whole race, and without team cars…. I like to be part of spectacular racing but there have to be certain limits.”


I have to say I'm all for one bidon and no team cars ... and I wouldn't object to fixed gear.  He's happy to descend at 100kmh and attack on the pave, but a bit of snow reduces him to this .... the lads gone soft.
Nolte

oh but see, it's completely different, that suits cancellara so that is ok :d
mazda

Yes, the usual self interest dressed up as a supposed voice of reason.
Biosphere

I would agree that Cancellara has whined in the past, but if we're going to quote him, we might as well quote him fully and judge him on that

Quote:
“Fortunately I was well placed at the finish at Terminillo (57th at 12:33) and the winner was fine too but we’ve got to think about the whole peloton and the riders who work early in the race for us and then finish in the gruppetto. They were the ones who rode most in the snow and were cold at the finish,” he said.

“I raced in Oman in 49C and here at -2C. I think there are limits to when we should race. I’ve taken a stand for everyone and I’ll do it again. I won’t let people offend me just because of my opinions either. I know that racing is racing and business is business but everything is connected. We’ve got to be adults and I think the weather and the risks the riders face are two important things we have to discuss and improve together.”

“I’m sure that there will be a big change regarding the riders’ health in the next year or two.


And more generally from the same CN article

Quote:
The conditions at the 1675m high finish at Terminillo were tough but similar to those riders had experienced other times during the Giro d’Italia and in other spring races. The overall contenders raced in heavy snow for just the final two kilometres and were able to quickly reach their team buses parked 500m away.

The rest of the peloton faced a tougher ordeal and spent more time under the heavy snow, which covered the roads in the final 10 minutes of the stage.

One rider told Cyclingnews that the gruppetto containing many of the sprinters and domestiques, which finished more than 20 minutes behind stage winner Nairo Quintana, were forced to ride in the heavy snow for the final six kilometres of the climb. They became cold because they were unable to climb out of the saddle due to their wheel slipping in the snow.

Italian riders Filippo Pozzato (Lampre-Merida) and Luca Paolini (Katusha) are the senators of the Italian gruppo and expressed their anger via Twitter.


I'll admit I'm still annoyed about RCS ballsing up the Stelvio Giro stage last year and their subsequent lies about what they said on the Race Radio and how far down the pass the neutralising bikes went. Would be happy enough for there to be UCI endorsed clarity on what should happen in these conditions.
Biosphere

mazda wrote:
I'm not sure why they haven't taken off more over here given our eating habits.


I tended to think that it was the semi raw egg that kept them off British menus, but we get the minis here as hot takeways from "bread counters" (minus the egg) so yes they should slot in right beside takeaway pies in England.

Mind you even though I can see France and Germany from the top floor of our house, Italian is the second language in our town / village so maybe that has something to do with it.

I miss Cornish pasties Smile
mazda

Hmm.
I think Contador has just pipped Cummings.

Has as Pinot.
mazda

Mollema still leading ... only Quintana to go.

And he makes it.

No great shakes there.
A lot of the GC contenders close together.
Too similar to the rejigged prologue in the end.
Looks like you need a ITT that falls somewhere between a flat 10km and a mountain 10 km.

Has Contador lost his TT powers and is back to being a purer climber now ?
HuwB

Hate that final ITT with a passion.
As grey as the weather.
Tirreno always ends with a whimper instead of a bang.
Boogerd_Fan

TGBM is back!!!!!

Great (but ugly) ride from the dutchman... a bit longer and he would have stolen that from Quintana (maybe)... and if Uran wouldn't steal it off him too! Smile

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